The Gr8 Keeper Deb8

[Stuboo]

For those that feel Feds will be shattered (possibly irreparably) by being dropped what do they think of:-
Lambert replacing Given after two games
Fergie replacing De Gea after two games
Di Canio replacing his keeper after 20 minutes
Will these keepers now be seeking counselling or will they work extremely hard in training to get their places back?

I would say Given has been below his usual high standard last season into this season. A much longer period than Feds.

De Gea being blamed because he couldn't get to the cross, resulting in a goal, is possibly a bit harsh on him, seing as his own defender blocked his way. I'm wary to criticise Sir Alex, given what he's achieved, but time will tell if he made the right decision there.

Di Canio - I'm not sure you could use that as an example of good management. He had other ways of dealing with the keeper, after the game and out of public sight for example. The keeper probably won't forgive him for shaming him like that and will no longer be any use to the team.

Don't put words into my mouth,I said nothing about good management.
My point is that these 3 managers have acted quickly after goalkeeping errors and by the time of the next round of Premier League fixtures QPR and possibly Liverpool will have done the same.
Will Brian do likewise?

I felt you were using the three dropped keepers as a justification for Feds to be dropped, and by definition dropping keepers does come under management, even though you didn't specifically mention it.

I don't think Brian will do likewise and I hope he does not. I think he will give Federici a couple more games to show an improvement. If not, he will make a change.

I think Snowball is right that the new ball could be a contributing factor.

[Alan Partridge]

Doesn't the large number of keeper-errors so far this season suggest it's the ball?

How many keepers have already come under scrutiny?

Only the flash ones, not the solid 8/10 performers like Friedel

But there is something to that, was having a kickaround at lunchtime and these new balls schwaz about 3 different directions if they are connected with properly, ridiculous.

With regardto Di Canio, there is something wrong at Swindon, if you are a big character he is just rinsing them in public, probably costing his club millions because Caddis and Foderingham are 2 of their very best players who an play in a higher league and earn their club big fees. To be honest both of them have acted like tw@ts over this (Foderingham and Di Canio) No one has won out of it. i suppose just everyone after a LOL.

[mr_number]

In a strange position of partially agreeing with Snowball... The number of errors is remarkable. Starting to suspect some ball-based shenanigans, even though some of them don't look like it's moving a huge amount (e.g. ROFLeina yesterday, Feds generally)

[Alan Partridge]

Federici's v Stoke was nothing to do with the ball other than it had a load of spin on it, hard to see what he's done with it, other than it hitting him on the arms instead of the chest. Haven't seen any of the others to be honest. Reina's was due to him having a slight split second unsure decision of whether to go with feet or hands. That 0.1 of a second hesitation meant he was too slow down to it and couldn't get his body behind it. Again nothing to do with the ball.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

I read that error v Stoke as being wholly down to the spin on the ball - instead of it bouncing into his chest as he expected it had vicious topspin on it and went straight under him.

Then again, I may have misread the situation as badly as he did on that one .....

[RoyalX]

For those that feel Feds will be shattered (possibly irreparably) by being dropped what do they think of:-
Lambert replacing Given after two games
Fergie replacing De Gea after two games
Di Canio replacing his keeper after 20 minutes
Will these keepers now be seeking counselling or will they work extremely hard in training to get their places back?

I think Lambert's decision was a good one - Given isn't the same keeper as he used to be and Brad Guzan has always performed admirably (including yesterday) when called upon. I think everyone has made too much about Ferguson/De Gea - neither keeper at Man Utd is an established no.1 and they have always rotated their keepers. Di Canio is a nutjob so not entirely relevant.

Still disagree with Feds being dropped.

[ManchesterRoyals]

Just throwing this in to the mix Craig Gordon is a free agent now cost Sunderland £9 million

[Snowball]

Could anyone list the alleged goalkeeping errors this season?

Not saying all are due to the ball, just whether it's a long list

Federici v Stoke
Federici v Chelsea
Federici v Peterboro?
Federici v Peterboro?
Peterboro keeper v us.
Czech (sp?) v Reading

Green WHU v Swansea

Langfield (Aberdeen) v Celtic

Reiner Liverpool v Arsenal

De Gea
Given

Tim Flowers EVERTON v Villa?

Ross County Keeper v Celtic

Man C Board: Goalkeeping errors - is it the new ball?

There have been glaring errors and then just bad goalkeeping in the first two weeks of the season. Watching MOMD last night I couldn't help noticing how much the ball moved in the air and also how goalies seem unable/unwilling to catch the ball any more. Most of the time golaies seem to want to push a shot away rather than catch it. This ball does seem to be designed to make life really difficult for goalies. I think we are heading for a record number of goals this season across the PL and it won't be because strikers have got better - the new ball is rubbish.

[Alan Partridge]

Just to put a spanner in the works, the League Cup ball and Prem League ball is completely different. The SPL ball is the same as the League Cup ball. those are made by Mitre, the Prem ball is made by Nike.

The new balls (nike and Adidas) both have this horrid coating on it which makes it a bar of soap to start with (the latex on GK gloves at the top level has been adapted to try and combat it) but because it's so light if it's struck true it'll swerve and the worst bit dip right at the death, it really is a nightmare, and almost impossible to catch if it's a well struck shot. We've got one of the new Nike balls and it absolutely flies.

Mitre isn't so bad although their previous ball was a step towards the Prem ball but still nowhere near as bad, it's slightly heavier and doesn't do as much, I know they've changed it again this year but I haven't used it so no idea if it's worse.

[RoyalX]

Could anyone list the alleged goalkeeping errors this season?

Not saying all are due to the ball, just whether it's a long list

Federici v Stoke
Federici v Chelsea
Federici v Peterboro?
Federici v Peterboro?
Peterboro keeper v us.
Czech (sp?) v Reading

Green WHU v Swansea

Langfield (Aberdeen) v Celtic

Reiner Liverpool v Arsenal

De Gea
Given

Tim Flowers EVERTON v Villa?

Ross County Keeper v Celtic

Man C Board: Goalkeeping errors - is it the new ball?

There have been glaring errors and then just bad goalkeeping in the first two weeks of the season. Watching MOMD last night I couldn't help noticing how much the ball moved in the air and also how goalies seem unable/unwilling to catch the ball any more. Most of the time golaies seem to want to push a shot away rather than catch it. This ball does seem to be designed to make life really difficult for goalies. I think we are heading for a record number of goals this season across the PL and it won't be because strikers have got better - the new ball is rubbish.

[RoyalX]

Just to throw something else into the mix, the new ball is also being used in La Liga and Serie A.

My mate who was watching the Bologna - AC Milan game said that one of the Milan goals was a goalkeeping howler...

[melonhead]

wish theyd just stick with one ball- why do we have to go through this every season, and every tournament

[E. Andrew]

I think everyone has made too much about Ferguson/De Gea - neither keeper at Man Utd is an established no.1 and they have always rotated their keepers.

Plus it's Fergie's style to bench after mistakes -- reminds the players there's others behind them. Rooney and Nani (possibly more, can't remember) became subs after just one lackluster game. It can be a helpful, not necessarily just a confidence-breaker.

[Snowball]

Could anyone list the alleged goalkeeping errors this season?

Not saying all are due to the ball, just whether it's a long list

Federici v Stoke
Federici v Chelsea
Federici v Peterboro?
Federici v Peterboro?
Peterboro keeper v us.
Czech (sp?) v Reading

Green WHU v Swansea

Langfield (Aberdeen) v Celtic

Reiner Liverpool v Arsenal

De Gea
Given

Tim [b]HOWARD EVERTON v Villa?[/b]

Ross County Keeper v Celtic

Man C Board: Goalkeeping errors - is it the new ball?

There have been glaring errors and then just bad goalkeeping in the first two weeks of the season. Watching MOMD last night I couldn't help noticing how much the ball moved in the air and also how goalies seem unable/unwilling to catch the ball any more. Most of the time golaies seem to want to push a shot away rather than catch it. This ball does seem to be designed to make life really difficult for goalies. I think we are heading for a record number of goals this season across the PL and it won't be because strikers have got better - the new ball is rubbish.

[Turns8]

Feds withdraws from the Socceroos squad due to 'injury'

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/news/newsid=1694821.html

Anyone else notice how heavily strapped his right knee has been in the games so far this season...he also missed much of pre-season with a back/rib injury...or has he just withdrawn to give himself some 'timeout'?....

[pea]

So then, McCarthy or Taylor?

[Ian Royal]

So then, McCarthy or Taylor?

Absolutely McCarthy. But I bet Feds will be "fit" by the time we play Spurs.

[Get Carter]

Fergie dropped De Gea, who cost £18m after one mistake this season and Lambert has dropped Given after one poor game.
Feds was poor against Stoke, Chelsea and the first half against Posh and the squad system should mean that McCarthy is finally given his chance. We could be bottom of the prem in a couple of weeks, when we really should have 4 points and not 1.
We were relegated from the prem last time on goal difference and Coppell refused to drop Hahnemann, even when he was shipping in 7 against Pompey and 6 against Spurs - McCarthy never deserved to be dropped and surely now is the time for him to prove he can keep the shirt - just like other players in the team.

[Royal Ginger]

After a good spell at Leeds he was pretty hopeless at Ipswich. Support Feds or not, McCarthy is not the magic miracle fix.

[Woodcote Royal]

So then, McCarthy or Taylor?

McCarthy but I'd be delighted with either as it would mean Federici had been dropped.