The Gr8 Keeper Deb8

[Snowball]

Nobody is demanding Schmeichel/Van Der Saar/Buffon type keepers, we are just demanding a goalie who doesn't fumble the ball into the net in every single game.

Well, then, Feds is your man, because he DOESN'T "fumble the ball into the net in every single game."

[Stuboo]

I'm beginning to see where the Frank Fickle charactor came from.

[blueroyals]

Why am I not surprised? Snowball jumping to the defence of players hoping for a repeat of the Shane Long saga.

Here's some facts for you.

Federici has been shit the last 4 games
Church was shit last season
Shane Long was shit all the time save for his last season with us

I don't give a shit about how Federici played last season. He is playing shit now and should be dropped.

We don't give a shit about your statistics showing us that because Church managed to score some tap ins he is actually the best striker in our team either.

oxf*rd off.

[Snowball]

Why am I not surprised? Snowball jumping to the defence of players hoping for a repeat of the Shane Long saga.

Here's some facts for you.

Federici has been shit the last 4 games
Church was shit last season
Shane Long was shit all the time save for his last season with us

I don't give a shit about how Federici played last season. He is playing shit now and should be dropped.

We don't give a shit about your statistics showing us that because Church managed to score some tap ins he is actually the best striker in our team either.

oxf*rd off.

Hello, SWEETNESS. You might struggle a LITTLE to find me quoting stats in this thread.

But hey, when did the facts matter eh?

I doubt if you will find me being a huge supporter of Federici, either.

And I have predicted that McCarthy will play for England.




Let's try small short words. Feds did well last year. Feds not so good this year (so far)

Maybe it's the ball. Maybe it's a small injury. Maybe it's random.

Three games versus a season is not proof.


PS You're a bit thick, aren't you?

[Woodcote Royal]

The thing is, Woodcote, nobody can ever take anything you say seriously again after your continued lambasting of Coppell.

Managers are usually responsible for promotion and relegation in equal measure. Not being taken seriously by those who refuse to accept that Steve Coppelll was no exception to this rule, is fine by me........................it is these blinkered idiots I lambast rather than the man himself.

[melonhead]

still, no one is ever going to take you seriously again

[Hoop Blah]

I doubt if you will find me being a huge supporter of Federici, either.

And I have predicted that McCarthy will play for England.

You're not backtracking there are you snowball?

I'm pretty sure what you said was that McCarthy would be Englands number 1 keeper at some point, not just 'play for'. I rate him pretty highly but I think that's a very bold and, to be honest, daft prediction.

[Cypry]

Three games versus a season

So you want us to start every match a goal down? That's the effect of having Feds in goal currently.
You are seemingly fine with us losing, so I assume you want it to continue.
However football is a competition, we're not a bloody non-profit company employing people with special needs, setting no requirements for performance.

Current form should be taken into account when picking the starting 11, and Feds should be out of the team based on his string of rotten performances.

But who are you to say that Feds current form is worse than McCarthys? Have you been to many training sessions lately?
For all you know McCarthy coud be performing much worse than Feds on the training ground and therefore deemed a greater risk than Feds at present.
At the end of the day McD and Bibbo are in charge, and if they say that Feds is the best option then I'm happy with that - they're in the best position to know what the situation is, and are infinitely more qualified to make that decision than a bunch of Fed haters/McCarthy lovers on here.....

[melonhead]

3 mistakes in 3 games is not a string of rotten performances

or if it is its not a long bit of string

[Hoop Blah]

At the end of the day McD and Bibbo are in charge, and if they say that Feds is the best option then I'm happy with that - they're in the best position to know what the situation is, and are infinitely more qualified to make that decision than a bunch of Fed haters/McCarthy lovers on here.....

Doesn't mean that they can't get it wrong though does it?

[Davezk]

At least we're not as bad as Leeds fans...

Paul Rachubka was hounded out after 58 minutes.

[philM]

At the end of the day McD and Bibbo are in charge, and if they say that Feds is the best option then I'm happy with that - they're in the best position to know what the situation is, and are infinitely more qualified to make that decision than a bunch of Fed haters/McCarthy lovers on here.....

Doesn't mean that they can't get it wrong though does it?

No, but they're more likely to get it right than anyone on here, ever.

[Snowball]

I doubt if you will find me being a huge supporter of Federici, either.

And I have predicted that McCarthy will play for England.

You're not backtracking there are you snowball?

I'm pretty sure what you said was that McCarthy would be Englands number 1 keeper at some point, not just 'play for'. I rate him pretty highly but I think that's a very bold and, to be honest, daft prediction.

Well you are wrong.

(a) I'm not back-tracking over my opinion of Feds or McCarthy

(b) I have NEVER said I thought McCarthy would be England's Number 1 goalie. NEVER. All I have ever said is I think he'll play for England (meaning the senior team.)

There's your chance. Go find me saying he'd be Number 1.

(c) For me, this thread is not about who is the better keeper now, or who will be the better keeper some time in the future, It's about knee-jerk reactions over a few mistakes, with a new ball that has (apparently) caused many other keepers to make mistakes. Mistakes made by a keeper who played a hugely significant part in winning us promotion last season and also had 20 clean sheets.



I believe McCarthy has the potential to become a better keeper than Federici. He's a good shot-stopper, has the height, commands his area and has also shown VG ability at least at Championship level. Feds, howver is hardly an old man as keepers go and still has improvement in him. He has also shown the ability to face certain weaknesses and overcome them.

While it's a (small) worry that Feds has made a few errors it's hardly yet Armageddon.

[Snowball]

Three games versus a season

So you want us to start every match a goal down? That's the effect of having Feds in goal currently.
You are seemingly fine with us losing, so I assume you want it to continue.
However football is a competition, we're not a bloody non-profit company employing people with special needs, setting no requirements for performance.

Current form should be taken into account when picking the starting 11, and Feds should be out of the team based on his string of rotten performances.

Nope. "Current Form" should be used IN CONJUNCTION WITH all other known factors.

Perhaps the other keepers look meh in training and Feds looks better.

Perhaps Bibbo is well aware of the new ball behaving oddly and they are working it out.

Perhaps Bibbo/Manager have noted other keepers making errors. Perhaps McCarthy et el have spilled three times as many shots in training

Perhaps the manager/Bibbo are aware of the dangers of a too-hasty decision. Said decision might impact Feds badly, the replacements might feel excessive pressure and fail
and then THEY might be dropped in turn, with their confidence knocked for a long time

[cmonurz]

All good points Snowball and I agree with your stance on this in general, but, if McCarthy is going to fulfil his potential, how and when will he do so at Reading? Where is the threshold after which he gets his chance?

[Snowball]

All good points Snowball and I agree with your stance on this in general, but, if McCarthy is going to fulfil his potential, how and when will he do so at Reading? Where is the threshold after which he gets his chance?

Classic manager's conundrum.

I just don't know, is the truth. (And one reason I'm not a manager)

I'd guess the reason we brought in Mr Reserve is to allow McCarthy to go on loan
but we'd like to know Feds was over his blip first...

[moonwalklikebas]

Stop blaming the ball .Its the same as last seasons prem ball just with a new design. I cant remember too many GK errors in the prem last season, and GK's blaming the ball this season are just excuse hunters. ITS THE SAME BALL! all be it different to a championship one.

Still if you can catch one ball, you can catch another.

[Hoop Blah]

You're not backtracking there are you snowball?

I'm pretty sure what you said was that McCarthy would be Englands number 1 keeper at some point, not just 'play for'. I rate him pretty highly but I think that's a very bold and, to be honest, daft prediction.

Well you are wrong.

(a) I'm not back-tracking over my opinion of Feds or McCarthy

(b) I have NEVER said I thought McCarthy would be England's Number 1 goalie. NEVER. All I have ever said is I think he'll play for England (meaning the senior team.)

There's your chance. Go find me saying he'd be Number 1.

http://hobnob.royals.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=105667&p=2904202&hilit=+mccarthy+england#p2904202

"I like Feds and he may one day be Australia's first keeper. McCarthy will be England's first keeper."

Will that do?

No? How about:

First big moment, a seriously good save from McCarthy when it was 0-0. He will be a star for England but will probably leave in the summer, or

Will be England's senior keeper eventually.

[Hoop Blah]

I believe McCarthy has the potential to become a better keeper than Federici. He's a good shot-stopper, has the height, commands his area and has also shown VG ability at least at Championship level. Feds, howver is hardly an old man as keepers go and still has improvement in him. He has also shown the ability to face certain weaknesses and overcome them.

I agree that McCarthy has the potential to be a better keeper than Federici (who I've never been the biggest fan of), and the way caps are handed out I certainly wouldn't rule out him getting in squads or the odd cap here and there. I'm not convinced he'll become a consistent England player though, and certainly not Englands 'first keeper'.

It might happen of course, but I can't see it right now because there are a lot of other English keepers about who look to have equal or perhaps better claims for at the moment.

[melonhead]

You're not backtracking there are you snowball?

I'm pretty sure what you said was that McCarthy would be Englands number 1 keeper at some point, not just 'play for'. I rate him pretty highly but I think that's a very bold and, to be honest, daft prediction.

Well you are wrong.

(a) I'm not back-tracking over my opinion of Feds or McCarthy

(b) I have NEVER said I thought McCarthy would be England's Number 1 goalie. NEVER. All I have ever said is I think he'll play for England (meaning the senior team.)

There's your chance. Go find me saying he'd be Number 1.

http://hobnob.royals.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=105667&p=2904202&hilit=+mccarthy+england#p2904202

"I like Feds and he may one day be Australia's first keeper. McCarthy will be England's first keeper."

Will that do?

No? How about:

First big moment, a seriously good save from McCarthy when it was 0-0. He will be a star for England but will probably leave in the summer, or

Will be England's senior keeper eventually.

LOL!