Justice For The 96

[ankeny]

Some of the comments on here from the likes of Ideal and Kes absolute disgust me. Rubs even further insult to injury for the 96 when there are oxygen thiefs like them still walking the earth.

Agree 100%,cant believe they are serious,tossers.

[Ark Royal]

Some incredibly insensitive comments on here and totally shameful.

Hopefully, some form of closure, and soon to follow, some kind of justice for the families of the 96. Hillsborough was a disaster waiting to happen as far back as 1981 - check out the Leppings Lane end here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtzHVe2mEN0&feature=player_detailpage - but the police were so inculcated into approaching crowd control as dealing with purely a hooliganism problem that they took their focus off their primary objective: public safety.

[Victor Meldrew]

Some incredibly insensitive comments on here and totally shameful.

Hopefully, some of closure, and soon to follow, some kind of justice for the families of the 96. Hillsborough was a disaster waiting to happen as far back as 1981 - check out the Leppings Lane end here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtzHVe2mEN0&feature=player_detailpage - but the police were so inculcated into approaching crowd control as dealing with purely a hooliganism problem that they took their focus off their primary objective: public safety.

A very good point,hooligans such as the aforementioned Man Utd,Leeds and Arsenal amongst the worst of them.

[hashtagthepog]

Having been old enough to see the Hillsboro disaster i have been sickened to the core with what has been revealed today, so many failings by people in authority, so many lives lost, 41 of at least "may" have been saved had the emergency services done there jobs properly, such sad, sad loss of life and then cover ups, lies and underhand tactics to deflect the blame.

I then come onto here and read some of the despicable comments made from my "fellow" RFC fans, i am ashamed that you support my football club, i am ashamed you breath the same air as me...Had this of been RFC fans and this ,massive injustice had been against our own would you be saying the same thing?

RIP the 96, finally the truth is out, and hopefully justice will be done.

As for Ideal and the others, your scum, the families of their lost love ones on that day would gladly swap your worthless life with that of the ones they lost!

[who are ya?]

Caaalm down, caaalm down

[No Fixed Abode]

Some of the comments on here from the likes of Ideal and Kes absolute disgust me. Rubs even further insult to injury for the 96 when there are oxygen thiefs like them still walking the earth.

Agree 100%,cant believe they are serious,tossers.

You are joking aren't you? How can any of my comments disgust anyone? I recognise the fact the only way Liverpool fans aren't disgusted with someone if they totally agree it was ALL the polices' fault, but what is your problem with what I've said? If you're going to say I'm out of order then at least explain why you think I am.......

[No Fixed Abode]

Did any fans enter the ground without tickets?

I would expect so, but it cannot be proven.

[No Fixed Abode]

Not convinced testing the dead for alcohol proves that Liverpool fans weren't drunk. Those that died would have been at the front and probably more concerned about their good spot on the terrace than the pub.







Expecting to be shot down on here for having a view that Liverpool fans aren't to blame in any way.

I would agree with this. The fans that had been drinking would have turned up much later than those who died at the front.

[PieEater]

Some of the comments on here from the likes of Ideal and Kes absolute disgust me. Rubs even further insult to injury for the 96 when there are oxygen thiefs like them still walking the earth.

*this, they probably think they're clever, and it's not for the first time they performed this pathetic wind up. Kids died FFS, that just makes their trolling attempt embarrassing.

Today's report is black and white.

The Liverpool fans 'were not the cause of the disaster'.

The panel has quite simply found 'no evidence' in support of allegations of 'exceptional levels of drunkenness, ticketlessness or violence among Liverpool fans' and 'no evidence that fans had conspired to arrive late at the stadium' and 'no evidence that they stole from the dead and dying'.

[ankeny]

Some of the comments on here from the likes of Ideal and Kes absolute disgust me. Rubs even further insult to injury for the 96 when there are oxygen thiefs like them still walking the earth.

Agree 100%,cant believe they are serious,tossers.

You are joking aren't you? How can any of my comments disgust anyone? I recognise the fact the only way Liverpool fans aren't disgusted with someone if they totally agree it was ALL the polices' fault, but what is your problem with what I've said? If you're going to say I'm out of order then at least explain why you think I am.......

We are not the problem ,you are,if a oxf*rd tory (A party I detest)stands up in parliment ands say so then it must be good anough for you.And dont forget,Thatcher was up the South Yorkshire polices arse because they just bashed up the miners for her,so it could not have been easy for Cameron.

[Man Friday]

The panel has quite simply found 'no evidence' in support of allegations of 'exceptional levels of drunkenness, ticketlessness or violence among Liverpool fans' and 'no evidence that fans had conspired to arrive late at the stadium' and 'no evidence that they stole from the dead and dying'.

That seems pretty categoric and certainly answers my genuine question about whether Liverpool fans entered the ground without tickets.

[Once were Biscuitmen]

Can this be locked now?

In the most part it's been a thoughful discussion of the findings of a report which completely confirmed what the families of the dead have said for so long.

There is no point trying to engage with trolls.

[Avon Royal]

I think it's fair to say that I am no lover of Liverpool FC or their fans, but Hillsborough transcends football and exists as a purely human tragedy. I'm glad that the truth is finally out and hope that the families of those that died can now find some form of closure.

Some of the stories are truely heartbreaking. Nobody should go to a football match and never come home.

[Maguire]

Had this of been RFC fans and this ,massive injustice had been against our own would you be saying the same thing?

Would never have happened if it'd been RFC fans tbf.

I think everyone can agree on some basic facts:

1) Above all else it was a tragic event and we all feel sympathy for anyone who loses their life doing what we do most Saturdays
2) Nobody deserved to die
3) It was not the most auspicious day in the history of South Yorks Constabulary to say the least
4) Attempts at a cover up are both unsurprising and also unforgiveable
5) It shouldn't have taken 23 years of effort for the attempted cover up etc to come out in public

[Maguire]

How come it didn't happen to any of those clubs then? All took thousands upon thousands of fans to terraced matches for decades, including games at Hillsborough.

Sheer good fortune? Or did they just have fewer people turning up l8 to rush the gates? Is it nothing more than sheer coincidence that it was Liverpool fans who were involved in the two worst crowd disasters in the 80s?

Are all questions people ask.

Some people still believe the earth is flat and the holocaust never happened.

They're all fcuking idiots too.

Yes they're exactly the same thing, aren't they?

What's your angle on this anyway? Every time the subject comes up you stride about the thread chucking abuse around and acting like the world authority on Hillsborough. It seems to hold a particularly close place to your heart.

I remember one of the very first times I came on this site (under a long-dead username) I posted a (genuine) comment that somebody I know who was there (an ex-g/fs dad) said that he thought the Liverpool fans had to take some portion of the blame. You went absolutely nuts at me, and it wasn't even my opinion. Was only my sixth ever post or something and I thought "pfuck this lot" and didn't come back for years.

Arch is another one - definitely some hidden emotion there, always goes ballistic on the topic.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

They had problems the year before. Yet they still gave the smaller stand to Liverpool fans, with fewer turnstiles.

Hardly the most important point in all of this, but I've no idea why people keep bringing this point up. It's not as if it was pay on the day.

It's not as if 10,000 Liverpool fans need more space than 10,000 Forest fans would.

[Maguire]

They had problems the year before. Yet they still gave the smaller stand to Liverpool fans, with fewer turnstiles.

Hardly the most important point in all of this, but I've no idea why people keep bringing this point up. It's not as if it was pay on the day.

It's not as if 10,000 Liverpool fans need more space than 10,000 Forest fans would.

Yeah I thought this when I read a link earlier in the thread. Surely the size of the end is only relevant if people without tickets try to get in?

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

I remember one of the very first times I came on this site (under a long-dead username) I posted a (genuine) comment that somebody I know who was there (an ex-g/fs dad) said that he thought the Liverpool fans had to take some portion of the blame.

hmm, there's a huge world of difference between people doing something that was a contributory factor - after all, it'd be impossible to have a crush without actions of people in that crowd causing pressure to build up - and saying they are partly to blame.

There are certain dynamics about being in a crowd, and how a crowd behaves, that make saying "they should have just done..." rather naive.

At the back of any crush, the pressure will be very slight, but the pressure gets magnified. And as the pressure gets magnified, people are less able to control their actions.

They do detailed computer studies these days modelling crowd flow (not just in stadiums, but in new railway stations etc) to try to avoid the dangers of allowing a crush to develop. One of the reasons they stop people from going into crowded tube stations, after all, is the knowledge that if they just let anyone in, the pressure would force people on the platforms to be push lemming-like, over the edge onto the tracks. The people at the back would have no idea what was happening.


The initial failure of the police at Hillsborough was to have no method of crowd control, either outside the stadium, or once inside. To be honest, for those going back then, that would surprise nobody, and was pretty much normal.

[Ian Royal]

They had problems the year before. Yet they still gave the smaller stand to Liverpool fans, with fewer turnstiles.

Hardly the most important point in all of this, but I've no idea why people keep bringing this point up. It's not as if it was pay on the day.

It's not as if 10,000 Liverpool fans need more space than 10,000 Forest fans would.

I'd assumed from what was said that the capacities were different? Wasn't there a problem with the stated capacity being overcalculated? So if that stand was smaller, but given the same capacity, that would certainly have contributed to some of the crush.

The Leppings Lane stand certainly had much fewer turnstiles causing congestion and delaying the fans ability to actually get in.

[Maguire]

I remember one of the very first times I came on this site (under a long-dead username) I posted a (genuine) comment that somebody I know who was there (an ex-g/fs dad) said that he thought the Liverpool fans had to take some portion of the blame.

hmm, there's a huge world of difference between people doing something that was a contributory factor - after all, it'd be impossible to have a crush without actions of people in that crowd causing pressure to build up - and saying they are partly to blame.

There are certain dynamics about being in a crowd, and how a crowd behaves, that make saying "they should have just done..." rather naive.

At the back of any crush, the pressure will be very slight, but the pressure gets magnified. And as the pressure gets magnified, people are less able to control their actions.

They do detailed computer studies these days modelling crowd flow (not just in stadiums, but in new railway stations etc) to try to avoid the dangers of allowing a crush to develop. One of the reasons they stop people from going into crowded tube stations, after all, is the knowledge that if they just let anyone in, the pressure would force people on the platforms to be push lemming-like, over the edge onto the tracks. The people at the back would have no idea what was happening.

The initial failure of the police at Hillsborough was to have no method of crowd control, either outside the stadium, or once inside. To be honest, for those going back then, that would surprise nobody, and was pretty much normal.

No I quite agree with you. Like I said, his opinion not mine. I suspect he probably meant he thought the Liverpool fans were a contributory factor but that's a bit of a trivial, no-brainer statement because of course they were. And even if, as a fan, you were anxious to get onto the terrace and pushing someone in front of you that's a world away from ever thinking your actions might cost someone their life.