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Re: John Terry

by Alexander Litvinenko » 24 Sep 2012 12:13

No Fixed Abode The FA think they can punish a player on 'probability'.


The FA are right, though - they can.

The requirement for a guilty verdict in a hearing like this are much less onerous than in a court of law - "more likely to have happened than not" rather than "proven beyond all reasonable doubt."

The latter, as we've seen, means that in a fair few cases the defendant is found not guilty purely on grounds of there being insufficient evidence to prove their guilt.

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Re: John Terry

by No Fixed Abode » 24 Sep 2012 12:22

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No Fixed Abode The FA think they can punish a player on 'probability'.


The FA are right, though - they can.

The requirement for a guilty verdict in a hearing like this are much less onerous than in a court of law - "more likely to have happened than not" rather than "proven beyond all reasonable doubt."

The latter, as we've seen, means that in a fair few cases the defendant is found not guilty purely on grounds of there being insufficient evidence to prove their guilt.



How can you punish someone on 'probability' though without sufficient evidence? If 'top' solicitors can't find JT guilty, how can some old cretins at the FA?

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Re: John Terry

by larry1971 » 24 Sep 2012 13:43

IMO he's A thoroughly loathsome individual and personally I find if offensive that anybody can compare Terry, to the great England captains of the past such as Billy Wright and Bobby Moore

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Re: John Terry

by No Fixed Abode » 24 Sep 2012 13:49

larry1971 IMO he's A thoroughly loathsome individual and personally I find if offensive that anybody can compare Terry, to the great England captains of the past such as Billy Wright and Bobby Moore


I suspect Billy Wright and Bobby Moore were no angels back in their day. It just wasn't spread all over the papers.

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Re: John Terry

by Alexander Litvinenko » 24 Sep 2012 13:56

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larry1971 IMO he's A thoroughly loathsome individual and personally I find if offensive that anybody can compare Terry, to the great England captains of the past such as Billy Wright and Bobby Moore


I suspect Billy Wright and Bobby Moore were no angels back in their day. It just wasn't spread all over the papers.


While of course there's some truth in that, I suspect that they didn't have the money and leisure time to be quite so odious.


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Re: John Terry

by Barry the bird boggler » 24 Sep 2012 14:15

Good riddance.

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Re: John Terry

by No Fixed Abode » 24 Sep 2012 14:17

Barry the bird boggler Good riddance.



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Re: John Terry

by Uke » 24 Sep 2012 14:18

You can just feel the JT love on this thread...

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Re: John Terry

by Stuboo » 24 Sep 2012 14:43

Don't like him as a person, but I think he will be a loss to the England team in our World Cup qualifying campaign. We should still qualify though.


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Re: John Terry

by TBM » 24 Sep 2012 14:56

larry1971 IMO he's A thoroughly loathsome individual


Yet 99% of Reading fans love Robin Friday :?

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Re: John Terry

by BR2 » 24 Sep 2012 15:05

Stuboo Don't like him as a person, but I think he will be a loss to the England team in our World Cup qualifying campaign. We should still qualify though.


I shouldn't think he will be missed when we play our next (?) game v San Marino.

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Re: John Terry

by Platypuss » 24 Sep 2012 15:22

No Fixed Abode How can you punish someone on 'probability' though without sufficient evidence? If 'top' solicitors can't find JT guilty, how can some old cretins at the FA?


The same way that OJ got off the murder criminal charge but got his arse sued off in the civil case.

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Re: John Terry

by larry1971 » 24 Sep 2012 15:34

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larry1971 IMO he's A thoroughly loathsome individual and personally I find if offensive that anybody can compare Terry, to the great England captains of the past such as Billy Wright and Bobby Moore


I suspect Billy Wright and Bobby Moore were no angels back in their day. It just wasn't spread all over the papers.


While of course there's some truth in that, I suspect that they didn't have the money and leisure time to be quite so odious.



certainly nobody who knew Bobby Moore, well would ever say he was an angel like any other man he liked a drink and he liked a party but the big difference between Bobby and John Terry is that Bobby knew how to conduct him self in public he knew as captain of England he had a responcibility to behave with the up most integrity and decentcy . He also had far to much respect for Sir Alf, to ever do something in public that would bring shame and embarrasment John Terry has never been like that he has behaved like a thug all through his career. The racisim issues aside the fact that the day after the terroist attack on the Twin Towers Terry, with a group of other players shouted disgracful and offensive comments at American tourists at Heathrow tells you all you need to know as to what kind of person Terry is.


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Re: John Terry

by Uke » 24 Sep 2012 16:25

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Strong backing for JT, just when he needs it!

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Re: John Terry

by Super_horns » 24 Sep 2012 17:01

Good player but a bad egg off it (probably like most top footballers!) who has had problems with the FA/England team before...

Maybe given he is 31 now this is for the best?

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Re: John Terry

by TBM » 24 Sep 2012 18:34

The other players being?

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Re: John Terry

by Stuboo » 24 Sep 2012 18:37

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larry1971 the day after the terroist attack on the Twin Towers Terry, with a group of other players shouted disgracful and offensive comments at American tourists at Heathrow tells you all you need to know as to what kind of person Terry is.


This!!!!
The man has no shame.


Are you certain that this actually happened?

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Re: John Terry

by Uke » 24 Sep 2012 18:46

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larry1971 the day after the terroist attack on the Twin Towers Terry, with a group of other players shouted disgracful and offensive comments at American tourists at Heathrow tells you all you need to know as to what kind of person Terry is.


This!!!!
The man has no shame.


Are you certain that this actually happened?


http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion ... 04737.html

With their flight to an away match at Levski Sofia grounded in the aftermath of the Terror attacks on New York and Washington in September 2001, Chelsea players found themselves at a loose end. Some went home to watch CNN, but Terry Eidur Gudjohnsen, Frank Lampard and Morris had other ideas.

After visiting a couple of pubs - where a "hammered" Gudjohnsen stripped off and threw peanuts at punters while Lampard and Morris urinated in a rubbish bin outside - the group went on to a local bowling alley where they hurled themselves down the lanes and saw former colleague Frank Sinclair, who by now had joined the party, almost decapitated by the pin-changing mechanism.

Finally they ended up in the bar of the Posthouse Hotel at Heathrow, where stranded travellers, many of them Americans, had gathered to watch events unfold on TV. Instead they were treated to the players throwing food around while pictures were shown of sobbing firemen searching through the rubble for the dead, before one player exposed himself to the appalled throng.

Chelsea FC subsequently fined the trio for their behaviour.

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Re: John Terry

by soggy biscuit » 24 Sep 2012 19:32

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larry1971 the day after the terroist attack on the Twin Towers Terry, with a group of other players shouted disgracful and offensive comments at American tourists at Heathrow tells you all you need to know as to what kind of person Terry is.


This!!!!
The man has no shame.


Are you certain that this actually happened?


It was just a little it high profile when it happened!!

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Re: John Terry

by RobRoyal » 24 Sep 2012 23:19

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No Fixed Abode The FA think they can punish a player on 'probability'.


The FA are right, though - they can.

The requirement for a guilty verdict in a hearing like this are much less onerous than in a court of law - "more likely to have happened than not" rather than "proven beyond all reasonable doubt."

The latter, as we've seen, means that in a fair few cases the defendant is found not guilty purely on grounds of there being insufficient evidence to prove their guilt.



How can you punish someone on 'probability' though without sufficient evidence? If 'top' solicitors can't find JT guilty, how can some old cretins at the FA?


Fcuking hell. Are you thick?

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