Guthrie told to stay away...

[Wimb]

We'll see won't we, hopefully this will prove to be a masterstroke by McDermott and Guthrie will come back more determined than ever.

It does just add to the pressure that Bri will be under in the next couple of weeks though.

You've got to be able to stick to your principles and if Guthrie has kicked off he deserves to be banished for a time. You haven't heard of Robson-Kanu, Le Fondre, Pearce,McCleary or Gunter kicking off when they've been out of the team and Guthrie has only missed what 3 league games this season?

You knew something was up when McDermott was very defensive when Dellor asked him why Guthrie wasn't in the squad and there's no reason why with only 2 fit central midfielders you'd opt to stick a right-back on the bench over him.

As Winch has said, hopefully this either gives Guthrie the kick up the arse he needs or it rallies the rest of the squad behind Brian.

[LoyalRoyalFan]

Guthrie has done nothing so far to be able to demand he's in the first team.

Please tell me what 70% of our squad have done to be able to cement a place in the first team?

[winchester_royal]

You've got to be able to stick to your principles and if Guthrie has kicked off he deserves to be banished for a time. You haven't heard of Robson-Kanu, Le Fondre, Pearce,McCleary or Gunter kicking off when they've been out of the team and Guthrie has only missed what 3 league games this season?

Aye but there are differences in circumstance..

Guthrie has to watch Jay Tabb playing in front of him, making him effectively 4th choice at a side that is sitting in a relegation zone. He was convinced by McDermott to leave a side that came 6th last season, where he was 3rd choice, and where he'd have had a regular position in the Europa League side.

If Guthrie has kicked off then obviously he needs to be away from the squad for a bit.

My point though is that McDermott shouldn't have let it get to this point. Either he should have managed Guthrie's expectations when he first signed, adapted the system to accommodate his style, or signed a player more suited to how we're playing now. I think it's been a poor piece of man management and I worry about his ability to motivate those who aren't just honest championship triers.

I love Brian, and I hope with all my heart that he comes through this, but all the vibes coming out of the club atm are not good.

Hopefully we'll have a couple of wins in the next week and we can all look back on this thread and have a good chuckle.

[Royal91]

Guthrie is rightly hacked off becuse he was sold a dream of being a pivotal midfieder for Reading (on his honeymoon no less), has come into the team and played to his strengths, only to be told by BMcD that he wants him to play a different game altogether. The Pog came to play to his strengths but is now being asked to be Andy Carroll. We are slowly turning the clock back to Brendan Rodgers, who was desperate to play a certain way but had no players who could fill the positions that he needed to be filled! BMcD has to find tactics to suit the players he has - NOT try to make square pegs fit into round holes.

The current squad has talent, ability and determination, BMcD needs to utilise his best players in a formation that works, with tactics that suit their talents. He has bought players who play a more Premiership game, Why is he still playing the formation and tactics of a lucky Championship season!

No matter how many people worship BMcD, this is a problem caused by him and he must rectify it or the Managership will be taken away from him!

Agreed 100%

[leon]

Guthrie has done nothing so far to be able to demand he's in the first team.

Please tell me what 70% of our squad have done to be able to cement a place in the first team?

well we've rotated our goal keepers, full and centre backs, midfielders, wingers and strikers so I'm not sure what your point is.

However I'll run with it - I think McAnuff is actually underrated, Kebe should be looking over his shoulder as he needs to step up - not good enough (and I think he's great), Pog needs better service and Leigterwood could use losing about 2 stone. Apart from that Shorey has surprised me at how good he is. Mariappa is alright.

None of this really makes Guthrie any better. He's had a few chances and has done f*ck all. I hope he gets better.

[leon]

Guthrie is rightly hacked off becuse he was sold a dream of being a pivotal midfieder for Reading (on his honeymoon no less), has come into the team and played to his strengths, only to be told by BMcD that he wants him to play a different game altogether. The Pog came to play to his strengths but is now being asked to be Andy Carroll. We are slowly turning the clock back to Brendan Rodgers, who was desperate to play a certain way but had no players who could fill the positions that he needed to be filled! BMcD has to find tactics to suit the players he has - NOT try to make square pegs fit into round holes.

The current squad has talent, ability and determination, BMcD needs to utilise his best players in a formation that works, with tactics that suit their talents. He has bought players who play a more Premiership game, Why is he still playing the formation and tactics of a lucky Championship season!

No matter how many people worship BMcD, this is a problem caused by him and he must rectify it or the Managership will be taken away from him!

Agreed 100%

[LoyalRoyalFan]

Guthrie has done nothing so far to be able to demand he's in the first team.

Please tell me what 70% of our squad have done to be able to cement a place in the first team?

well we've rotated our goal keepers, full and centre backs, midfielders, wingers and strikers so I'm not sure what your point is.

However I'll run with it - I think McAnuff is actually underrated, Kebe should be looking over his shoulder as he needs to step up - not good enough (and I think he's great), Pog needs better service and Leigterwood could use losing about 2 stone. Apart from that Shorey has surprised me at how good he is. Mariappa is alright.

None of this really makes Guthrie any better. He's had a few chances and has done f*ck all. I hope he gets better.

Well I can't see how Jay Tabb can get in ahead of Guthrie when Tabb has done nothing either?

[Archie's penalty]

McDermott has done so much for us in the last few years yet we've got people here siding with a player who has been here five minutes and done Jack in the process. You only have to look at what happened at Guthrie's wedding to know he's a bad egg.

Don't normally agree with Sandman but this ^^^^^ totally.

[leon]

Please tell me what 70% of our squad have done to be able to cement a place in the first team?

well we've rotated our goal keepers, full and centre backs, midfielders, wingers and strikers so I'm not sure what your point is.

However I'll run with it - I think McAnuff is actually underrated, Kebe should be looking over his shoulder as he needs to step up - not good enough (and I think he's great), Pog needs better service and Leigterwood could use losing about 2 stone. Apart from that Shorey has surprised me at how good he is. Mariappa is alright.

None of this really makes Guthrie any better. He's had a few chances and has done f*ck all. I hope he gets better.

Well I can't see how Jay Tabb can get in ahead of Guthrie when Tabb has done nothing either?

well the fucker can put a shift in (and tackle!) rather than mince about the pitch giving the ball away, like a camp Joey Barton doing an impression of Wayne Sleep hailing a taxi.

[LoyalRoyalFan]

Well at least Guthrie can pass rather than humping the ball up the pitch and completely bypassing the midfield anyway. Jay Tabb is only in the team because he rarely gets the ball and is in the team to tackle as the chances of us giving the ball away are high.

[DanLashbrook]

Hi guys,

got it on good authority they had a tear up.

Guthers not happy at being dropped which was announced wiv no warnin infront of the whole squad w/ no explanation.

Guthers went to see the manger and was given the explanation - oxf*rd off - so understantably was peedoff and told ppl what the manger done so manager said dont come back. dont liek this... we need him more than he needs us, think hes done alrite so far :s

[leon]

Well at least Guthrie can pass rather than humping the ball up the pitch and completely bypassing the midfield anyway. Jay Tabb is only in the team because he rarely gets the ball and is in the team to tackle as the chances of us giving the ball away are high.

that would be fine if Guthrie actually passed the ball consistently. He loses possession far too much - but that would be everyone else's fault no doubt.

[Wimb]

You've got to be able to stick to your principles and if Guthrie has kicked off he deserves to be banished for a time. You haven't heard of Robson-Kanu, Le Fondre, Pearce,McCleary or Gunter kicking off when they've been out of the team and Guthrie has only missed what 3 league games this season?

Aye but there are differences in circumstance..

Guthrie has to watch Jay Tabb playing in front of him, making him effectively 4th choice at a side that is sitting in a relegation zone. He was convinced by McDermott to leave a side that came 6th last season, where he was 3rd choice, and where he'd have had a regular position in the Europa League side.

If Guthrie has kicked off then obviously he needs to be away from the squad for a bit.

My point though is that McDermott shouldn't have let it get to this point. Either he should have managed Guthrie's expectations when he first signed, adapted the system to accommodate his style, or signed a player more suited to how we're playing now. I think it's been a poor piece of man management and I worry about his ability to motivate those who aren't just honest championship triers.

I love Brian, and I hope with all my heart that he comes through this, but all the vibes coming out of the club atm are not good.

Hopefully we'll have a couple of wins in the next week and we can all look back on this thread and have a good chuckle.

Pearce is reigning POTS, and was arguably our best player in the 1-0 defeat at West Brom and against Spurs. While I realise that isn't saying a great deal it would be easy for him to go and kick up a stink but no he's there giving it everything and getting on with it. Same with McCleary who was arguably our best player against Stoke.

He may have been told he'd be first choice but should any player expect to keep his place when the side hasn't won a game all year? In those circumstances he should realise the team comes first but it seems he's more worried about his own prospects than seeing Reading get the right result. If this was a man left out for 10 games running then I have a tad more sympathy but he started and was poor at Liverpool so he has little room to moan.

Do take your point at how disappointed he must be after making such a key career move but it's just sad that he's kicked off so early at a time when we need him the most.

Like I said, I applaud Brian for sticking to his principles and I think it sends a strong message to the squad that you've got to be a team player to succeed here.

[Royal91]

Why people are jumping to the aid of Tabb, he's absolutely shite.

McDermott should have bought in a couple of passing players to supplement each other. Guthrie is going to completely ineffective in a team that doesn't pass. He isn't a ball winner.

Exaggeration I know, but if you throw Xavi into our team he would be completely ineffective as well. He would not be able to pick passes, link play or do anything because the players are not there to supplement him, he's not physical. We should have bought stoke type players if that was the route we were going for. The players McDermott has bought don't really match.

In addition to that if Guthrie was a bad player he wouldn't of played in over 100 EPL games. More than most of our players put together.

[Wimb]

McDermott has done so much for us in the last few years yet we've got people here siding with a player who has been here five minutes and done Jack in the process. You only have to look at what happened at Guthrie's wedding to know he's a bad egg.

Don't normally agree with Sandman but this ^^^^^ totally.

This is s*d all to do with a brilliant Manager vs a stroppy player, it is to do with an inexperienced Manager not using the talents he has in the best way possible.

lol the inexperienced manager that's won the Championship, made a play-off final and taken a team around the relegation zone to a 9th placed finish and an FA Cup Quarter-final

[leon]

This is s*d all to do with a brilliant Manager vs a stroppy player, it is to do with an inexperienced Manager not using the talents he has in the best way possible.

errr yes it is exactly that. The bloke's got a ego, thinks he's better than the rest of the midfielders, thinks he should be playing every game, and causes trouble when he doesn't, and his fucking girlfriend/wife tweeting shit about the club. Get rid. We don't want disruptive wankers in the team.

[Wimb]

This is s*d all to do with a brilliant Manager vs a stroppy player, it is to do with an inexperienced Manager not using the talents he has in the best way possible.

errr yes it is exactly that. The bloke's got a ego, thinks he's better than the rest of the midfielders, thinks he should be playing every game, and causes trouble when he doesn't, and his fucking girlfriend/wife tweeting shit about the club. Get rid. We don't want disruptive wankers in the team.

Was that Guthrie's or Fedders missus?

[Archie's penalty]

This is s*d all to do with a brilliant Manager vs a stroppy player, it is to do with an inexperienced Manager not using the talents he has in the best way possible.

errr yes it is exactly that. The bloke's got a ego, thinks he's better than the rest of the midfielders, thinks he should be playing every game, and causes trouble when he doesn't, and his fucking girlfriend/wife tweeting shit about the club. Get rid. We don't want disruptive wankers in the team.

I wouldn't word it in quite the same way but it really is worrying that this is the second time that something like this has happened so early in the player's career here.

This is a worrying little side-show in the important matter of keeping us in the league. Not. Good.

[RedRum]

And his Premiership experience is vast! The more players he has had to bring into the club, the worse the results have got!

Yes, the inclusion of Roberts last season brought on a string of terrible results

[Stuboo]

McDermott has done so much for us in the last few years yet we've got people here siding with a player who has been here five minutes and done Jack in the process. You only have to look at what happened at Guthrie's wedding to know he's a bad egg.

Don't normally agree with Sandman but this ^^^^^ totally.

I agree too. Got pelted for suggesting Guthrie's charactor could be suspect because of the wedding incident, in another thread. Now it appears I may have been right.

100% behind McD on this. We don't need disruptive players at our club.