How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

[Royal Lady]

:cry: I'll probably shed a tear if/when he goes tbh. IF, and it's a big IF, he does go - I hope the majority of people on here will wish him well and we're not subjected to tirades of abuse about him. Thanks in advance, in case it happens, which I hope it doesn't.

^^this

candle lit vigil of mourning at the carpark space if he does

See you there Bendy ((((hugs)))))

[Theroyalbox]

Even if Mcdermott did have the funds, he doesnt attract big enough players and doesnt know how to deal with them(Pog and Guthrie)i do belive that he deserves longer though and hopefully does the right thing and splash the cash.

[Royal Lady]

In what way hasn't he dealt with Pog? He's no trouble is he?

[SPARTA]

I just don't understand how, if you had more money available, you'd think "no, it's ok thanks, I'll stick with players like Tabb and Bryn in midfield rather than get in more cover" etc. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Coppell did the exact same thing, albeit with less money available.

he stuck with players who had just finished 8th in the prem, and were generally better than those we have now tbf to him

He admitted himself he was too loyal.

[melonhead]

sure hes quite happy to be played in every game tbf

he may go on strike when dropped for roberts this weekend though
who knows

[melonhead]

Coppell did the exact same thing, albeit with less money available.

he stuck with players who had just finished 8th in the prem, and were generally better than those we have now tbf to him

He admitted himself he was too loyal.

and i agree- im simply pointing out the difference between sticking with these players, and those ones

those ones could at least be said to have proven themselves as premeire league quality by finishing 8th(and getting 106 points the year before), and deserving of being stuck with

and its all ery well looking in hindsight- at the time it was understandable, even if you didnt agree, why coppell thought that

[Hoop Blah]

I just don't understand how, if you had more money available, you'd think "no, it's ok thanks, I'll stick with players like Tabb and Bryn in midfield rather than get in more cover" etc. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Coppell did the exact same thing, albeit with less money available.

he stuck with players who had just finished 8th in the prem, and were generally better than those we have now tbf to him

The season before he didn't strengthen too much either (obviously he probably didn't need to as much because of the existing quality in his side - and remember this side weren't anywhere near their quality).

[Hoop Blah]

Had a long drive this morning and a chance to collect my thoughts after last nights atrocity. IMHO, the situation is..

- Currently Brian isn't good enough/experienced enough to be a Premier League manager
- The squad isn't good enough to stay up
- Among the reasons the squad isn't good enough are Brian's dealings in the summer and his decisions to weaken the squad further by excluding members from it

Having said that...

- There have been times when Brian has looked cluless at Championship level, but found a solution and prevailed
- Had we lost in the play-offs last year and were currently 4th or 5th in the Championship, no one would be calling for Brian's head so it seems harsh to penalise his over achievement
- Could another manager succeed with this squad? I would say no.

The club owes a huge debt of gratitude to Brian, he took over when we were in a world of shit and has performed miracles on a shoestring. I really like the guy and it pains me to see him looking and sounding as shattered as he did last night. I really would love him to turn it around starting Sunday but think it's highly unlikely.

It comes down to this, if TSI is intent on staying in the prem are are going to throw money at it in January, then, with a heavy heart,I think Brian will have to go as since the summer has transfer moves and the handling of big transfer egos suggest he isn't the man for that job. If they aren't going to throw money at it, then he should stay unless it becomes apparent he has totally lost the dressing room. I think we would go down but I think we would under any manager and Brian deserves the support of the fans and the board in making the best of this season, seeing it as a learning curve and preparing for the longer term of trying to get back up better equipped.

I would love it, love it he could get that squad mentality back, and get the fans behind him and the boys with a heroic result on Sunday.

I'd say that sums up the situation pretty well, plus sometimes managers just run their course and a club or squad just need a change. I hope that time hasn't come for him yet as he really does deserve credit and time after the job he's done.

There has always been (at least in my mind) a doubt over how he'd cope with building a new side instead of just working well with those players he already had a connection with. His record in the transfer market isn't the greatest but he did add in some key players to address obvious weaknesses.

[melonhead]

Coppell did the exact same thing, albeit with less money available.

he stuck with players who had just finished 8th in the prem, and were generally better than those we have now tbf to him

The season before he didn't strengthen too much either (obviously he probably didn't need to as much because of the existing quality in his side - and remember this side weren't anywhere near their quality).

agreed- thats why in those circumstances it is understandable why he chose to stick, not twist
even if in hindsight it appears to have been the wrong decision

[Hoop Blah]

I think it was quite a gamble going into the Premier League with the squad we did back then. Thankfully it was a gamble that paid off in the short term. Long term it might've left us with too much to do the next summer (old ground and I think there's enough to think about in the present!).

[Lacoste]

I've changed my mind, just seen the goals on sky and his face after the game and I felt so fukking sorry for the guy.

May be heart ruling the head but I want him to turn this around and I want him to have the opportunity. Come on Brian you can do this. He needs all of our support now at least until after the next couple of games.

We are behind you mate

[LoyalRoyal22]

I would keep him until january, cant see anyone else getting the best out of this group of players like brian does. If by then it is clear he should leave, get a new gaffa that can make some signings in the window. Crying out for big centre half/leader, and someone that can boss the midfield

[Ian Royal]

I'm not sure I agree that McDermott's purchases were bad, they may not have been well chosen, but I don't think you can really argue we should have bought many more in numbers, or spent a lot more in money. And all of the signings looked good individually at the time.

[MmmMonsterMunch]

Come on Brian turn it around. Everyone is behind you. Never ever have I wanted a Reading mgr to succeed so much.

He deserves the season IMO come what may.....

This thread would be so so different if the whistle had gone at 94. Football is a cruel game.

[Rex]

:cry: I'll probably shed a tear if/when he goes tbh. IF, and it's a big IF, he does go - I hope the majority of people on here will wish him well and we're not subjected to tirades of abuse about him. Thanks in advance, in case it happens, which I hope it doesn't.

Spot on RL. I heard a rumour that Redknapp was sniffing around. Even before the game, the news feeds showed a slightly up tight BM but that might just be the reaction to the same dot to dot questions rolled out.

[Ian Royal]

:cry: I'll probably shed a tear if/when he goes tbh. IF, and it's a big IF, he does go - I hope the majority of people on here will wish him well and we're not subjected to tirades of abuse about him. Thanks in advance, in case it happens, which I hope it doesn't.

Spot on RL. I heard a rumour that Redknapp was sniffing around. Even before the game, the news feeds showed a slightly up tight BM but that might just be the reaction to the same dot to dot questions rolled out.

I'll renounce the club for any period that dirt bag is in charge. I'd rather support Swindon.

[MmmMonsterMunch]

:cry: I'll probably shed a tear if/when he goes tbh. IF, and it's a big IF, he does go - I hope the majority of people on here will wish him well and we're not subjected to tirades of abuse about him. Thanks in advance, in case it happens, which I hope it doesn't.

Spot on RL. I heard a rumour that Redknapp was sniffing around. Even before the game, the news feeds showed a slightly up tight BM but that might just be the reaction to the same dot to dot questions rolled out.

The PL is such a circus & doesn't help the situation. Wouldn't be anywhere near as much heat if this had happened to us last season.

RL - No way wil BM get abused if he were to go. He is pretty much loved by all. My favourite manager ever.

[robinsfriday]

Had a long drive this morning and a chance to collect my thoughts after last nights atrocity. IMHO, the situation is..

- Currently Brian isn't good enough/experienced enough to be a Premier League manager
- The squad isn't good enough to stay up
- Among the reasons the squad isn't good enough are Brian's dealings in the summer and his decisions to weaken the squad further by excluding members from it

Having said that...

- There have been times when Brian has looked cluless at Championship level, but found a solution and prevailed
- Had we lost in the play-offs last year and were currently 4th or 5th in the Championship, no one would be calling for Brian's head so it seems harsh to penalise his over achievement
- Could another manager succeed with this squad? I would say no.

The club owes a huge debt of gratitude to Brian, he took over when we were in a world of shit and has performed miracles on a shoestring. I really like the guy and it pains me to see him looking and sounding as shattered as he did last night. I really would love him to turn it around starting Sunday but think it's highly unlikely.

It comes down to this, if TSI is intent on staying in the prem are are going to throw money at it in January, then, with a heavy heart,I think Brian will have to go as since the summer has transfer moves and the handling of big transfer egos suggest he isn't the man for that job. If they aren't going to throw money at it, then he should stay unless it becomes apparent he has totally lost the dressing room. I think we would go down but I think we would under any manager and Brian deserves the support of the fans and the board in making the best of this season, seeing it as a learning curve and preparing for the longer term of trying to get back up better equipped.

I would love it, love it he could get that squad mentality back, and get the fans behind him and the boys with a heroic result on Sunday.

agree with much of your post

but i disagree about the transfer dealings.
TSI always said they difference would be that where JM had no money, and had to sell, they would have "some" money, and wouldnt need to sell, plus be able to supplement the squad when needed.
we saw that with 10 million outlay this summer- more than ive ever seen before at this club-but still probably not enough at this level
looking at what we did do-
shorey- all round big improvement on harte, and looks very solid/good on the ball/good set pieces
pog- scores goals, works hard, good with ball to feet, supplements nhunt and roberts and alf to make a half decent pool of four strikers-gives us options
Mcleary- everyone raved about him for the first few matches, dipped a little, but is looking good again now-looks as good as/different to kebe
guthrie- everyone raved about him after first few games,definitely the passing influence we need in the middle, and if we are to play 4-5-1 away from home, but has had a tiff with brian after some below par performances, where perhaps we didnt play to his strengths(not sure hes good enough to rebuild a side around as he seems to want)
gunter- good experienced full back- good for cummings to learn from and as back up/competiton
mariappa- good CB- strong, quick and experienced

he strengthened all the areas that needed strengthening, with good, young championship players, and added a little prem experience.
given that it was the percieved wisom after norwich and swansea lst year that the way to stay up and propser is to keep doing what you were doing, but add a little here and there with hungry/championship palyers, it seems a little odd to criticise him for going along that route- especuially given that AZ wasnt likely to invest 60 million in building a whole new team in one summer.

Highlighted the issue. Championship players. Championship quality. Not good enough for top flight.

[Bowman's Quiver]

:cry: I'll probably shed a tear if/when he goes tbh. IF, and it's a big IF, he does go - I hope the majority of people on here will wish him well and we're not subjected to tirades of abuse about him. Thanks in advance, in case it happens, which I hope it doesn't.

Spot on RL. I heard a rumour that Redknapp was sniffing around. Even before the game, the news feeds showed a slightly up tight BM but that might just be the reaction to the same dot to dot questions rolled out.

I'll renounce the club for any period that dirt bag is in charge. I'd rather support Swindon.

Steady on chap!

[Ian Royal]

Don't worry, I'm not going to.