Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

[No Fixed Abode]

Jason Roberts was very outspoken in the John Terry/Ferdinand case.

Seems to have gone quiet on the Mikel/Clattenburg one.

[TFF]

Jason Roberts was very outspoken in the John Terry/Ferdinand case.

Seems to have gone quiet on the Mikel/Clattenburg one.

Possibly because only the former involved a racial slur.

[melonhead]

a) They aren’t passing their coaching badges
b) They aren’t getting selected for interview
c) They aren’t getting the job

percentages required for these please

then we can move on!

i cant find em anywhere
thopugh ive not looked very hard!

[No Fixed Abode]

Jason Roberts was very outspoken in the John Terry/Ferdinand case.

Seems to have gone quiet on the Mikel/Clattenburg one.

Possibly because only the former involved a racial slur.

Evidence?

[melonhead]

the big tv replay showing his calling him a black oxf*rd
the witness saying he called him a big black oxf*rd
terry saying he said it, but making up a load of trip to mitigate it

[loyalroyaldaz]

Perhaps we should pile in here and see what he has to say?
http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/footb ... on_roberts

[No Fixed Abode]

Perhaps we should pile in here and see what he has to say?
http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/footb ... on_roberts

£20 for some fish & chips and a chat with Jason Roberts. No thanks.

[No Fixed Abode]

the big tv replay showing his calling him a black oxf*rd
the witness saying he called him a big black oxf*rd
terry saying he said it, but making up a load of trip to mitigate it

and cleared in court.

However, I'm asking TFF as he is accusing Chelsea/Chelsea players of making the Clattenburg story up.

[TFF]

It's all in the other thread m8

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=114331&start=220#p3465299

[No Fixed Abode]

It's all in the other thread m8

So you haven't got any.

[TFF]

It's all in the other thread m8

So you haven't got any.

Has anybody?

[melonhead]

the big tv replay showing his calling him a black oxf*rd
the witness saying he called him a big black oxf*rd
terry saying he said it, but making up a load of trip to mitigate it

and cleared in court.

he still admitted saying it, so in my view thats pretty huge evidence in support of him saying it

[Lacoste]

Do you do any work?

[melonhead]

here and there!

i do a job that has lots of short periods of work, punctuated with short 5 minute-1 hour breaks in between them!

[Hoop Blah]

a) They aren’t passing their coaching badges
b) They aren’t getting selected for interview
c) They aren’t getting the job

percentages required for these please

then we can move on!

i cant find em anywhere
thopugh ive not looked very hard!

This is a list of Pro Licence graduates 02-09 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_managers_and_coaches_who_have_qualified_for_the_UEFA_Pro_Licence#England). Technically you have to have this if you want to manage in the Premier League.

Of the c. 150 names on that list I can only spot a handful of BME licence holders (Noel Blake, Paul Davis, Keith Alexander, Iffy Onoura, Leroy Rosenoir and our very own Nas Bashir). I think Chris Hughton, Micheal Johnson and Keith Curle are also Pro Licence holders.

From my knowledge they've all got or had jobs in football.

Curle mentioned the other day that he was the only black person, out of 26, on his course.

EDIT: Just read on the BBC that of the 192 UEFA Pro Licence holders in England, 14 are black. I've not read a reference to the percentage of those licence holders who hold jobs or, specifically, league management jobs though. Looking down that list I wouldn't say it's great. There are now 4 black league managers, 3 of which have the licence (the other being Edgar Davids) so thats 21% of black Pro Licence holders who are managing English league clubs.

[Simon's Church]

Surely the low number of black managers is because clubs so rarely give someone without any experience a chance, every vacancy that comes up it's the same names banded around and so because up until now have been few black managers it'll take a long time for the percentages to seem right. It's not about racism it's about chairmen favouring proven competency over potential.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

......... it's about chairmen favouring proven competency over potential.

But isn't it quite possible that part of that could be down to institutional racism?

There certainly is a view amongst many in football that "blacks make good players but aren't intelligent enough to manage..."

[Extended-Phenotype]

Fair point.

It would be interesting to see the stats on the ethnicity of new/inexperienced prospective managers getting jobs.

[Hoop Blah]

I still think the key questions that need addressing are

a) is the proportion of black players wanting to go into management lower than their white counterparts, if so why
b) is the proportion of qualified black managers getting jobs lower than their white counterparts, if so why

I think the answer to a is probably yes. The why might be because, like Dirk, they perceive instituitional racism exists and that they and their peers don't get the chances they deserve. I don't think the stats really back up the lack of opportunity, but I'm sure the perception does exist.

Are potential black managers getting less jobs than their white counter parts? My guess is the answer to that is no, mainly because of the answer to a.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

I still think the key questions that need addressing are

a) is the proportion of black players wanting to go into management lower than their white counterparts, if so why
b) is the proportion of qualified black managers getting jobs lower than their white counterparts, if so why

Are potential black managers getting less jobs than their white counter parts? My guess is the answer to that is no, mainly because of the answer to a.

No. They are getting fewer jobs than their white counter parts, though