by Hoop Blah »
08 Nov 2012 10:35
melonhead Hoop Blah Brendy, if you're talking 'jobs' then kids football and a fair bit of semi-pro non-league is totally irrelevant because it doesn't feed up the pyramid at all.
Pretty much the only people that get prefessional and semi-professional jobs are those who start at that level so I'm really not sure what information you're actually asking for.
The evidence that I've collected show that there are very few black coaches/managers who have made the effort to get the top qualifications. Of those that have the majority seem to be well involved in the game and have got decent jobs though it. Of the 14 black Pro Licence holders 3 are managers in professional football. From what I've read some of the others are Iffy Onoura and Paul Davis (both with the PFA coaching the coaches and Onoura got his chance as football league manager at Swindon), Chris Kiwomya (with Keith Curle at Notts County as their version of Chris Cummins at RFC), Noel Blake (manager of England U19s after working for Stoke's Academy and a stint as Exeter City), Andy Preece (Not sure he's got the full licence but apparently attended the Diploma course and has been a [failed?] football league manager but is still working in non-league), Terry Connor (obviously had a good job at Wolves before being lumbered with getting them relegated post-McCarthy), Leroy Rosenoir (got jobs and his chance).
From those individuals I can't preally see a problem. Most of them seem to have got jobs and are making careers.
dunno why your getting all upity
just asking the questions
where-ever you set the cut off- lower levels
feed into the toplevels, even if not all the way from kids/park footy
there is a disconnect, somewhere. just wanna know why/where it is
I'm not getting upity! I'm just trying to discuss where the issues are as I'm really not sure they actually exist and I'm interested in whether they do or not. You seem adamant that they do exist but seemingly keep changing where you think they are.
There aren't that many black managers in the football league, totally accept that as fact. I'm not sure they're actually under-represented though, even if 30% of players are black but only 2/3% of managers. I agree the ratio's are different, but I'm unconvinced that the over representation of black players means that there is under representation in management.
There is a lot of talk of lack of opportunity, but my cursory look at those black Pro Licence holders seems to me that they're all doing pretty well in the game and have had good opportunities relative to their white colleagues.
Perhaps there is institutional racism in the game, but I'm getting the feeling that it's more a problem with the perception of the BME population rather than a reality across the industry itself.