TSI - The Promises, Policies & Progress Thread

[Libertine]

Like I have said since the late summer...why the people running this club haven't made a bit more of an "investment" in the playing squad, with the money which is on the line with the new TV contract for next year, is beyond me. Any extra money spent to keep this club up would be paid back many times over if we can stay up this season...far more than any parachute payments we'll get for going down, with the chances of coming right back up sketchy at best. Anyone catch how Blackburn, Wolves and Bolton have been fairing in the Championship in their quest to come right back up? I have, I have been paying attention...a couple of them have a better chance of going down to League 1 than going right back up. Just sayin'...

[Libertine]

Unless, of course as others have suggested, the pockets aren't nearly as deep or the arms are much shorter than advertised.

[Tamworth_Royal]

What the F*ck did anyone expect with Madejski still at the club. It's never the Reading fans way it's the Madejski way. Do everything on the cheap and pray

[akranes]

Unless, of course as others have suggested, the pockets aren't nearly as deep or the arms are much shorter than advertised.

pretty crappy coat if you ask me
EDIT: which you didn't so HAH!

[readingfc13]

Unless, of course as others have suggested, the pockets aren't nearly as deep or the arms are much shorter than advertised.

pretty crappy coat if you ask me
EDIT: which you didn't so HAH!

That's cutting the cloth for you...

[SpaceCruiser]

It'll make no difference to the likes of Ordeal.

I like your renaming of Ideal! LOL!

[Royal Rother]

Have it on good authority that a number of businesses owned by Sir John Madjeski have entered into administration. Hold onto your hats time.

What good authority is that?

I doubt anyone on here knows what these little businesses are. It was in the papers a year or so ago that he was struggling. Some printing company was flagging, and Sackville's £400m development of Station Hill was binned, and as mentioned he sold his majority share. I don't see what any of this has to do with us.

Well indeed - Companies House show no recent notices filed against any of the companies of which he is a director. Hence my questioning of what this particular good authority might be. As for "hold onto your hats time"... what does that mean? Jeez...

[Royal Ginger]

Filling the black hole is deep enough as a start. The millions they've spent to fill that hole is massive. Add to this Guthrie and Pogs wages, plus Gunter, McCleary and Shorey, promotion wage increases and bonuses without selling anyone and the huge investment in the training facilities and a potential stadium expansion, and i think you can account for a whole hell of alot of money. Don't forget that AZ has stumped up more money than most of us would earn in 15 lifetimes just to but the 51% share.

I don't think we should be quite so dismissive of what we've received as fans.

[larry1971]

I certainly wasn't one of those fans taken in by all the hype when Anton took over we knew nothing of who he was and what his intentions for the club were and at the moment we still don't. But it's to early to judge him yet this up and coming transfer window and then next summers,regardless of whether or not we stay up will give us a better idea of how committed to the club our new owners are.

[The Quiet Man]

SJMs current travails highlighted here. Shouldn't really effect us except that one of the companies prints the match day programme http://hobnob.royals.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=116377

[UpThePrem]

Who knows what money is available. BMc may well have multimillions to spend but why should the club advertise this fact until deals are done. It would only make other clubs aware that money is there and prices would be increased to suit the fact that little Reading has a rich owner.

Make it known that no money is available and prices may stay at a reasonable level so we don't get shafted.

Thats my view anyway.

[Vision]

Like I have said since the late summer...why the people running this club haven't made a bit more of an "investment" in the playing squad, with the money which is on the line with the new TV contract for next year, is beyond me. Any extra money spent to keep this club up would be paid back many times over if we can stay up this season...far more than any parachute payments we'll get for going down, with the chances of coming right back up sketchy at best. Anyone catch how Blackburn, Wolves and Bolton have been fairing in the Championship in their quest to come right back up? I have, I have been paying attention...a couple of them have a better chance of going down to League 1 than going right back up. Just sayin'...

Problem is though, where (if anywhere?) do you draw the line?. If other teams are spending 20m more than they can afford, do we then spend 25? What if they spend 30? Do we then go to 35?

I've said it before but as fans we just want to see the best 11 players we can out on the park winning games for us and we couldn't really give a shit how much they cost, how much they're being paid or whether we can actually afford any of it. It is however someone's job to care about that side of it and if they don't then thats when clubs get themselves into all sorts of mess.

Of the 3 clubs you've mentioned Bolton are massively in debt and made the gamble/investment you're suggesting pretty much every season in the Premier League. Wolves net spend in last year's August window was among the highest in the Premier League. It didn't save them and now they're struggling. Blackburn are an utter basket case of a club and they really did have new owners who made all kinds of promises without realising wtf they were talking about. As yet TSI are nowhere near that state.

Tbh no-one really knows what money was/is available for team strengthening so making a judgement about how much financial muscle they have and areprepared to invest is a little premature. Only those who seemed to think we had Roman Abramovich mark2 at the club could possibly be feeling let down at present.

[Royalwaster]

I think it was pretty clear from the start - in his first interview he talked about running a business and how money could be made from it etc. That didn't sound to me like the kind of guy who wanted to blow lots of cash on our team in the manner of Abramovich etc. Question is though whether you can really run a club as a business .... the only club in the Prem that seems to be making money is Arsenal. I doubt that you can really run a Championship club on a profit ... at least not in the long run without really upsetting the fans as the only way of doing it really is to keep prices high and always sell your best players.

[under the tin]

Like I have said since the late summer...why the people running this club haven't made a bit more of an "investment" in the playing squad, with the money which is on the line with the new TV contract for next year, is beyond me. Any extra money spent to keep this club up would be paid back many times over if we can stay up this season...far more than any parachute payments we'll get for going down, with the chances of coming right back up sketchy at best. Anyone catch how Blackburn, Wolves and Bolton have been fairing in the Championship in their quest to come right back up? I have, I have been paying attention...a couple of them have a better chance of going down to League 1 than going right back up. Just sayin'...

Problem is though, where (if anywhere?) do you draw the line?. If other teams are spending 20m more than they can afford, do we then spend 25? What if they spend 30? Do we then go to 35?

I've said it before but as fans we just want to see the best 11 players we can out on the park winning games for us and we couldn't really give a shit how much they cost, how much they're being paid or whether we can actually afford any of it. It is however someone's job to care about that side of it and if they don't then thats when clubs get themselves into all sorts of mess.

Of the 3 clubs you've mentioned Bolton are massively in debt and made the gamble/investment you're suggesting pretty much every season in the Premier League. Wolves net spend in last year's August window was among the highest in the Premier League. It didn't save them and now they're struggling. Blackburn are an utter basket case of a club and they really did have new owners who made all kinds of promises without realising wtf they were talking about. As yet TSI are nowhere near that state.

Tbh no-one really knows what money was/is available for team strengthening so making a judgement about how much financial muscle they have and areprepared to invest is a little premature. Only those who seemed to think we had Roman Abramovich mark2 at the club could possibly be feeling let down at present.

/\/\/\/\/\ This.

[teignmouth hoops]

Sad thing is with a not huge investment in players, two good midfielders for a start we could stay up, although time is running out. We made the same mistake last time, we didn't need wholesale changes then, but this squad is not anywhere near as good. I agree that we also don't want to advertise we're searching (again the Reading way)but please let's not sleep walk into the championship without a bit of a fight

[Tony Le Mesmer]

Anyone catch how Blackburn, Wolves and Bolton have been fairing in the Championship in their quest to come right back up?

badly, and do you know why? Because they all spent fortunes trying to preserve their premiership status year after year completely ignoring that relegation was ineviatable at some point. And when the inevitbale does come, your screwed and not likely to return quickly.

Reading are more where West Brom were a few years back with a similar budget and club strategy, and as a result looking very much a Prem/Champ yo yo club.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

SJMs current travails highlighted here. Shouldn't really effect us except that one of the companies prints the match day programme http://hobnob.royals.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=116377

It also gives a suggestion of why SJM might have needed to make a quick sale.

[Royal Rother]

When did he make a quick sale?

[Cypry]

Like I have said since the late summer...why the people running this club haven't made a bit more of an "investment" in the playing squad, with the money which is on the line with the new TV contract for next year, is beyond me. Any extra money spent to keep this club up would be paid back many times over if we can stay up this season...

Has anyone got any concrete figures around this?

The best suggestions I could find were at http://www.sportingintelligence.com/201 ... xt-190601/ which seems to suggest that the domestic TV deal would only see an uplift of some £10M per year for a club at our level (i.e.) QPR /Villa - this really isn't all that much in the grand scheme of things. The intangible at the moment is the overseas contracts, which are largely still under negotiation from what I can make out. If these increase significantly (50%) then you can add perhaps another £15M to that, so some £25M in total....

If you look at figures for 2011 http://www.sportingintelligence.com/fin ... gue-guide/ this increase would only just cover the losses made by both Villa and QPR in 2011....so would they really be more competetive, able to sign even more expensive players etc, or would the increase in money simply enable them to get closer to meeting FFP requirements....?

[Royalwaster]

What are the penalties for not meeting these requirements? Financial or points deductions?