TSI - The Promises, Policies & Progress Thread

[Vision]

McD is in the Chronicle today, talking about Gylfi & Long and that Reading fans need to be realistic and that very little funds are available - which probably means expect relegation as little Reading cannot compete in the premier league.
I seem to remember hearing Sir John saying he would only sell up to someone who had deep pockets and who could take us to the next level.
What exactly is going on and what is TSI/Anton going to do to keep us in the premier league?

2012 - The year the fans found out that their football club are full of sh*t. All marketing and no substance.

LOL Yeah must have dreamt that promotion in April.

[melonhead]

Fae and Marek were both bought after we'd spent a season in the Premier league already as was Kebe.

TSI have spent as much in this one window as we spent in all 4 the last time we were here if people want to make a proper comparison. Of course we could flog all our assets in january and never buy another player but I'm pretty certain that won't happen.

How deep the pockets are I've no idea but they've already indicated they are as deep as JM's were back then before a global recession and the meltdown of his property and print businessess. They're certainly deeper than his were when they purchased the club.

If they weren't then I'm not sure we'd be having this discussion as a Premiership club.

We've no idea what will pan out long term so anything else is idle speculation but if people are going to make the comparison between this Premiership window and the last time we came up then so far they've invested more in the team than in the similiar period last time and as I say probably as much in this one window than we did in all 4 last time around.

It's a shame if people were expecting a Roman/Fernandes/Liebher? type because JM's initial jolly hype aside, pretty much all talk was of a more long term investment and of not initially throwing millions and millions at the club. That doesn't mean they haven't made money available for players that wouldn't have been there under JM though because they have.

You chose to miss my point about TV money being more than before as well as admission prices being higher.
Couple those with Anton's early assertion that he would spend what it takes and the dross that we are watching on match day and it is quite understandable why fans might feel a bit disappointed with this season so far.

they said there would be no change in the way we ran things from the start. money to stop us losing players, and the odd sensible acquisition.
and the majority of fans(season ticket holders) are paying the same as we payed last year, and no way near what we payed the first time in the prem.

[robinsfriday]

McD is in the Chronicle today, talking about Gylfi & Long and that Reading fans need to be realistic and that very little funds are available - which probably means expect relegation as little Reading cannot compete in the premier league.
I seem to remember hearing Sir John saying he would only sell up to someone who had deep pockets and who could take us to the next level.
What exactly is going on and what is TSI/Anton going to do to keep us in the premier league?

2012 - The year the fans found out that their football club are full of sh*t. All marketing and no substance.

LOL Yeah must have dreamt that promotion in April.

April was great. Everything after has been bullsh*t. Wake up fella.

[melonhead]

McD is in the Chronicle today, talking about Gylfi & Long and that Reading fans need to be realistic and that very little funds are available - which probably means expect relegation as little Reading cannot compete in the premier league.
I seem to remember hearing Sir John saying he would only sell up to someone who had deep pockets and who could take us to the next level.
What exactly is going on and what is TSI/Anton going to do to keep us in the premier league?

2012 - The year the fans found out that their football club are full of sh*t. All marketing and no substance.

LOL Yeah must have dreamt that promotion in April.

and the 15 milion spent in the last two windows on players and wages

[robinsfriday]

And what a cracking group of players we bought in huh!?

[Royal Ginger]

It's selective hearing. Fans heard the takeover, and chose not to hear that the club would be ran in the same way. We got exactly what was promised.

[robinsfriday]

It's selective hearing. Fans heard the takeover, and chose not to hear that the club would be ran in the same way. We got exactly what was promised.

Top six finish?

[melonhead]

And what a cracking group of players we bought in huh!?

i think so.


only guthrie and pog are disappointments to me. and can still come good
roberts and shorey in particular are two of our best ever purchases imo

[melonhead]

It's selective hearing. Fans heard the takeover, and chose not to hear that the club would be ran in the same way. We got exactly what was promised.

Top six finish?

long term aim/aspiration-its good to have a goal-shoot for the stars and you may hit the moon


lol at anyone expecting that we dfinish in the top 6 this year

[grey_squirrel]

Agree with both Vision's posts.

But, it still gnarls me that McD spunked what money he got (largely) on players no better than what we already had. I suspect this is also the main angst amongst supporters - rather than the perceived lack of splashing the cash.

to get players better than we had wed have had to spend double the money
we only had a ten million budget for fees and wages and had 6 positions that 100% needed filling.

shoreys better than we had. gunters better cover at RB than we had(bryn/karacan).mariappa is better cover than we had(bryn).mcleary is better cover than we had(no one)guthrie is a better ball player than any of our other three midfielders, and even now pog is still a better 4th choice striker than church.

I take it that was all tongue in cheek.

£10M (or what the hell ever) for just better cover! Indeed.

[Vision]

2012 - The year the fans found out that their football club are full of sh*t. All marketing and no substance.

LOL Yeah must have dreamt that promotion in April.

April was great. Everything after has been bullsh*t. Wake up fella.

Think you might be the one that's slept through the last decade or so if it's taken you until 2012 to realise the club's marketing machine bears little relation to reality.

It's not really what marketing is about though is it?.

[Wimb]

Referenced this a few times since writing it in the early summer but we'd be the second club, after ourselves last time, to stay up in our first season spending under £10m on transfer fees.

And yes I know we've splashed a massive amount on wages, signing on fees etc. Still the facts are there that we've be massively bucking the trend unless we splash a fair bit in Jan.

http://www.thetilehurstend.com/2012/07/ ... -question/

[surrounded by saints]

McD is in the Chronicle today, talking about Gylfi & Long and that Reading fans need to be realistic and that very little funds are available - which probably means expect relegation as little Reading cannot compete in the premier league.
I seem to remember hearing Sir John saying he would only sell up to someone who had deep pockets and who could take us to the next level.
What exactly is going on and what is TSI/Anton going to do to keep us in the premier league?

i thought the same thing

[Victor Meldrew]

Fae and Marek were both bought after we'd spent a season in the Premier league already as was Kebe.

TSI have spent as much in this one window as we spent in all 4 the last time we were here if people want to make a proper comparison. Of course we could flog all our assets in january and never buy another player but I'm pretty certain that won't happen.

How deep the pockets are I've no idea but they've already indicated they are as deep as JM's were back then before a global recession and the meltdown of his property and print businessess. They're certainly deeper than his were when they purchased the club.

If they weren't then I'm not sure we'd be having this discussion as a Premiership club.

We've no idea what will pan out long term so anything else is idle speculation but if people are going to make the comparison between this Premiership window and the last time we came up then so far they've invested more in the team than in the similiar period last time and as I say probably as much in this one window than we did in all 4 last time around.

It's a shame if people were expecting a Roman/Fernandes/Liebher? type because JM's initial jolly hype aside, pretty much all talk was of a more long term investment and of not initially throwing millions and millions at the club. That doesn't mean they haven't made money available for players that wouldn't have been there under JM though because they have.

You chose to miss my point about TV money being more than before as well as admission prices being higher.
Couple those with Anton's early assertion that he would spend what it takes and the dross that we are watching on match day and it is quite understandable why fans might feel a bit disappointed with this season so far.

And wages are higher as a result.

My point is simply that you can't go comparing what we spent in 4 transfer windows last time when we've only had one this time especially if the manager has said he got all the targets he wanted. Another point on that as well and another difference which McD highlighted was that he "got his business done early". This is a significant difference from previous seasons as well when we've been kicking our heels waiting to see what happens in the market before making our bids.

Things may not have changed as radically as people want, or more likely imagined they would, but there are definite changes which wouldn't have been possible under Madejski's ownership.

A lot of F*****g good it did us getting players in early and as you rightly say we should have hit the ground running because of those early signings.
Still,it was really important to have that trip to Ireland and win 9-0 or whatever it was,that made us so sharp for the start of the campaign.

[Vision]

You chose to miss my point about TV money being more than before as well as admission prices being higher.
Couple those with Anton's early assertion that he would spend what it takes and the dross that we are watching on match day and it is quite understandable why fans might feel a bit disappointed with this season so far.

And wages are higher as a result.

My point is simply that you can't go comparing what we spent in 4 transfer windows last time when we've only had one this time especially if the manager has said he got all the targets he wanted. Another point on that as well and another difference which McD highlighted was that he "got his business done early". This is a significant difference from previous seasons as well when we've been kicking our heels waiting to see what happens in the market before making our bids.

Things may not have changed as radically as people want, or more likely imagined they would, but there are definite changes which wouldn't have been possible under Madejski's ownership.

A lot of F*****g good it did us getting players in early and as you rightly say we should have hit the ground running because of those early signings.
Still,it was really important to have that trip to Ireland and win 9-0 or whatever it was,that made us so sharp for the start of the campaign.

Now who's wilfully ignoring the point?

The fact is that McD got players in early which he wanted to do and which had been a very vocal criticism on this board about the way JM did things. So there is a difference and a positive one at that. It's up to McD to choose the right players and get them playing together as a team so it's hardly TSI's fault if so far (and the season isn't over yet despiute what some on here seem to think) he hasn't been able to do that.

[Royal Rother]

It's selective hearing. Fans heard the takeover, and chose not to hear that the club would be ran in the same way. We got exactly what was promised.

Top six finish?

The stated aim was Top 8 within 5 years.

Now run along and finish your tantrum.

[Victor Meldrew]

In response to Vision suggesting that the season is not over yet.
Do you honestly believe that?
I would love to believe that there will be enlightenment (starting tomorrow) and that Brian starts playing Guthrie and we now and again keep possession for more than seconds.
I believe January will be too late to rectify things and let's not forget that other clubs will also be shopping at the January Sales and not just us.
We waited so long for that first season at the top level only to see us toss it all away again so quickly.
I like watching top players and accept that we cannot compete financially with about 7 or 8 sides but should be able to compete on the pitch with the rest but so far we haven't and I question the "hungry players" that has been said of our lot especially when the club captain comes out with claptrap about team spirit being disrupted by new signings in January.
What team spirit?
Too comfortable by half for many of them-I think we need a bit of disruption and a less cosy relationship between Brian and his old favourites.

[melonhead]

Agree with both Vision's posts.

But, it still gnarls me that McD spunked what money he got (largely) on players no better than what we already had. I suspect this is also the main angst amongst supporters - rather than the perceived lack of splashing the cash.

to get players better than we had wed have had to spend double the money
we only had a ten million budget for fees and wages and had 6 positions that 100% needed filling.

shoreys better than we had. gunters better cover at RB than we had(bryn/karacan).mariappa is better cover than we had(bryn).mcleary is better cover than we had(no one)guthrie is a better ball player than any of our other three midfielders, and even now pog is still a better 4th choice striker than church.

I take it that was all tongue in cheek.

£10M (or what the hell ever) for just better cover! Indeed.

shorey who is the best player on the park every week.
mcleary looks as good as kebe imo, once kebes inconsistency and injury proneness is taken into account, every one says guthrie is better than any of our CMs,
marriappa looked better than gorkss on tuesday and when hes played previously
gunter is equal to cummings.

scoff all you like, its not even having better cover, its actually having any at all.
you cant go into a season with ian harte as your only LB, cummings as your only RB, kebe as your only RW, only two CBs,only three CMs, and only three decent enough strikers.
covering those as well as we have within that 10 million budget for fees and wages is pretty oxf*rd amazing tbf
even if it proves not quite enough.

[robinsfriday]

It's selective hearing. Fans heard the takeover, and chose not to hear that the club would be ran in the same way. We got exactly what was promised.

Top six finish?

The stated aim was Top 8 within 5 years.

Now run along and finish your tantrum.

Top 8 finish in the next five years. Yes, and what league might that be in? Because it sure ain't going to be the PL with the "Reading Way"

Now you run along...

[under the tin]

Surely, everybody knows that there is an element of hit and miss with transfers.
Clubs a lot bigger and richer than us have made many a costly mistake.

It's a bit like the old saying "No one remembers when I get it right; no one forgets when I get it wrong"
What really cracks me up,though, are those who use the impact the new boys have made as a weapon to beat the club up with.

"They didn't spend enough"
"The tactics are all wrong"
"McDermott's an idiot"
"Zingarevich is not going to deliver"

Had Guthrie, Pogrebnyak and co been producing, I wonder how many of these type of threads we'd be reading?