Safe-Standing petition

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by West Stand Man » 14 Dec 2012 17:51

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West Stand Man I love all the rose tinted memories of the Elm Park atmosphere. I spent many a year going onto the South Bank, starting in 1966 and going through until we moved. I also sat in the stands on the odd occasion. It was great but throughout the time I was going there I dreamed of us moving to a decent stadium where I could feel proud of being a Reading fan rather than a urine infested flea pit.

As I have oft made clear, I don't have a hankering to return to standing. If it comes back under popular demand so be it. I do find it odd that the same group of people who are currently sitting together believe they will create a different atmosphere by standing. Again, if that is a popular belief, so be it. I still think it will take a lot to make the government 'take the risk' on this change. The proponents an cite evidence from safe standing in Germany but the legacy f the Englsh past lives on for too many people.

Strangely, while the noise on the South Bank sounded great when you were there but less so from the other side of the pitch. The pitched roof did that, trapping the sound in rather than reflecting out to the pitch. I have been to more atmospheric games at Madejski than I did at Elm Park. Mind you, that may be because we now get regular big crowds. Even before EP was limited to 11k we rarely got crowds that could really make the atmosphere hum.


But no-one is talking about a return to big, old terraces like the South Bank ... this is a much smaller scale, say just 15-25% or so of the stadium.

And it's not just about atmosphere - it's about choice. Lots of people prefer to watch matches while standing - this is letting them do so, while making sure they do it safely, and it also improves things for people who don't want to stand or who can't, because those who do want to are now somewhere else and not in their way any longer.


You have successfully managed to completely miss the point of my post.

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by St Pauli » 15 Dec 2012 07:49

Got to say with all this talk of safe standing and people getting excited about Crawley, none of that will make me cream my pants like seeing the new St Pauli main stand taking shape on this webcam: http://www.fcstpauli.com/home/stadion/s ... bau/webcam

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by East Stand Ste » 15 Dec 2012 08:40

St Pauli Got to say with all this talk of safe standing and people getting excited about Crawley, none of that will make me cream my pants like seeing the new St Pauli main stand taking shape on this webcam: http://www.fcstpauli.com/home/stadion/s ... bau/webcam


fap fap fap.................

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by harryroyal » 15 Dec 2012 20:48

St Pauli Got to say with all this talk of safe standing and people getting excited about Crawley, none of that will make me cream my pants like seeing the new St Pauli main stand taking shape on this webcam: http://www.fcstpauli.com/home/stadion/s ... bau/webcam

oh cheers you just made me jizz my new calvin klein boxers. Still Crawley will create a decent cum shot.
I feel like i need a european tour of old skl terraces, st pauli and dortmund in particular.

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by notloyalenuffroyal » 16 Dec 2012 00:49

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But no-one is talking about a return to big, old terraces like the South Bank ... this is a much smaller scale, say just 15-25% or so of the stadium.

And it's not just about atmosphere - it's about choice. Lots of people prefer to watch matches while standing - this is letting them do so, while making sure they do it safely, and it also improves things for people who don't want to stand or who can't, because those who do want to are now somewhere else and not in their way any longer.


Please furnish me with a definition of "lots". Are you saying 25% of the current fans want safe-standing? Roughly 5000 seats. Elm park average attendance was around that. We are a club that has grown, with a wider fan base, most of which have chosen to support Reading since the move to the Mad Stad. They tend to like sitting. Are there really 5000 fans who want to stand? Really?


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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by Rev Algenon Stickleback H » 16 Dec 2012 13:55

notloyalenuffroyal We are a club that has grown, with a wider fan base, most of which have chosen to support Reading since the move to the Mad Stad. They tend to like sitting. Are there really 5000 fans who want to stand? Really?


Ah, so the fact that they choose to sit at the Madejski is proof that they prefer sitting?

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by notloyalenuffroyal » 16 Dec 2012 18:42

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notloyalenuffroyal We are a club that has grown, with a wider fan base, most of which have chosen to support Reading since the move to the Mad Stad. They tend to like sitting. Are there really 5000 fans who want to stand? Really?


Ah, so the fact that they choose to sit at the Madejski is proof that they prefer sitting?


No - but they had little choice at Elm Park (I remember the seating was always pretty full).

The fact that they are sitting doesn't also mean they don't want to! There is simply very little evidence that LOTS of people want to stand in ONE club. I am still waiting for the LOTS definition.

What is the definition of lots? Have we reached the 5000? - is there an RFC safe standing petition that has 5000 signatures? If so - great! I'll applaud the success and wish the campaign the best of luck - but is it nearer the 1000 mark? Or 15,000? I simply don't know! I want evidence! Not someone just saying "Lots".

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by LoyalRoyalFan » 16 Dec 2012 19:15

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St Pauli Got to say with all this talk of safe standing and people getting excited about Crawley, none of that will make me cream my pants like seeing the new St Pauli main stand taking shape on this webcam: http://www.fcstpauli.com/home/stadion/s ... bau/webcam


I feel like i need a european tour of old skl terraces, st pauli and dortmund in particular.


They are hardly 'old skl' are they?

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by harryroyal » 16 Dec 2012 19:20

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St Pauli Got to say with all this talk of safe standing and people getting excited about Crawley, none of that will make me cream my pants like seeing the new St Pauli main stand taking shape on this webcam: http://www.fcstpauli.com/home/stadion/s ... bau/webcam


I feel like i need a european tour of old skl terraces, st pauli and dortmund in particular.


They are hardly 'old skl' are they?

What isn't old skl about st pauli's terrace?


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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by LoyalRoyalFan » 16 Dec 2012 19:46

The fact the stadium was rebuilt only a few years ago. Proper terraces are found at Peterborough. The Manor Ground had a decent away terrace though.

St Pauli are a grim club anyway.

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by St Pauli » 16 Dec 2012 20:30

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St Pauli are a grim club anyway.


You wish you could follow St Pauli.

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by harryroyal » 16 Dec 2012 20:40

LoyalRoyalFan The fact the stadium was rebuilt only a few years ago. Proper terraces are found at Peterborough. The Manor Ground had a decent away terrace though.

St Pauli are a grim club anyway.

well if you're getting technical. But it's old school style.

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by LoyalRoyalFan » 16 Dec 2012 20:47

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St Pauli are a grim club anyway.


You wish you could follow St Pauli.


A club that associates itself with Celtic and Bristol Rovers? Nope.


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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by harryroyal » 16 Dec 2012 20:51

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St Pauli are a grim club anyway.


You wish you could follow St Pauli.


A club that associates itself with Celtic and Bristol Rovers? Nope.

you proddy bastard. :wink:

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by LoyalRoyalFan » 16 Dec 2012 20:58

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by harryroyal » 16 Dec 2012 21:01

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by St Pauli » 16 Dec 2012 21:03

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A club that associates itself with Celtic and Bristol Rovers? Nope.


What's missing from this picture?



:lol:

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by LoyalRoyalFan » 16 Dec 2012 21:06

I have zero idea, but I'm not sure what Belfast has to do with St.Pauli, lean any more left and you'll fall out the window.

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by St Pauli » 16 Dec 2012 21:09

LoyalRoyalFan I have zero idea, but I'm not sure what Belfast has to do with St.Pauli, lean any more left and you'll fall out the window.


LOLoyaLOLRoyaLOLFan. Clearly not loyal enough. You hate Celtic and you don't even know why.

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Re: Safe-Standing petition

by harryroyal » 16 Dec 2012 21:11

LoyalRoyalFan I have zero idea, but I'm not sure what Belfast has to do with St.Pauli, lean any more left and you'll fall out the window.

lol :| lol

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