Jobi McAnuf down the middle

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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by RoyalBlue » 14 Jan 2013 08:07

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juanpablo id like to try him on the bench with McCleary on the pitch personally....


Id have him in the middle with McCleary on one wing, Kebe on the other. 4-5-1 like we were. Until Carrico is up to speed / Legsofwood is back


He offers us very little down the middle. I'd rather we utilised the new boy Akpan who can clearly mix it up physically and likes to get forward. McAnuff benched for the more effective McCleary if I had my way.


Rely on a League One Player as opposed to someone who is proven at Championship level and hasn't been a complete disaster in the PL? Someone who has also performed quite well in a central position and does get forward?

As for clearly 'mixing it up physically', is it that or is he just clumsy in his challenges? Either way, it isn't going to help us being the type of player who manages to pick up six yellows and two reds by the end of December!

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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by maffff » 14 Jan 2013 09:38

He may offer us little down the middle, yet, we do seem to up our game and performances improve around him when he goes there....

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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by BR2 » 14 Jan 2013 09:50

Lightwater wrote:-
wrote this on the other thread so Ill just paste it here.

What do we think of McAnuff in a midfield three allowing Guthrie to play the quarter back role and McCleary or HRK to start on the other wing.

----------Pog---------
HRK----Jobi----Kebe
--Karacan--Guthrie--
-------Defence-------
----------FEDS-------

I think McAnuff is more than good enough to play in the hole and more effective than when out wide, composed, pacey, hard worker, puts his foot in and can beat a man and lets face it, central midfield is a much better position for a captain.

If ever a post summed up that we have completely different views of players/games this is it.
Most of the people who sit by us and those I talk to might have written:-
I think McAnuff is hopeless playing in the hole and much less effective than when out wide,doesn't work hard enough,is often stagnant and unaware of what is going on around him and seldom (Liverpool away once?) beats a man and other than as a striker it doesn't really matter where a captain plays and apart from pointing a finger when things go wrong there are no obvious signs of being the captain.

Wingers are wingers,generally weedy with a bit of pace and that just about sums up our wingers apart from McCleary who looks stronger than the rest.
Brian has a blind spot about Jobi (and Ledge) in that he always wants to keep him on the pitch and this season we have won just 3 games with him on the pitch.
Time not to move him inside,let proper midfielders play there,and time for him to have a spell on the bench and think about his game a bit more,a game which recently has meant falling over at every opportunity.

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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by Twix » 14 Jan 2013 10:33

It's weird that a lot of people moaned when Jobi was played in the middle earlier in the season, in fact there were so many complaints it was even put to McDermott on Radio Berks.

If we didn't come back and conceded another goal after Karacan went off I bet there'd be loads of people slating Brian for playing three wingers and Guthrie and not having more defensive mid fielders like Tabb and Gunnarsson on the bench.

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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by Royal91 » 14 Jan 2013 10:46

It ain't working for jobi down the wing so why not. We need a CAM as that's the one position we don't have covered.

Thank oxf*rd people have finally understood Guthrie is a deep lying play maker who needs to be in front of the back four.

Although if HRK is fit I would think he's a better CAM than Jobi.

So for Newcastle. Assuming everyone is fit apart from Roberts and L,wood


============Federici=============

Gunter====Pearce===Mapps====Kelly


========Karacan==Guthrie========


Kebe=========Jobi=========McCleary


=============Pog=================


Taylor, Morrinson, Harte. Carrico, Akpan, HRK, Le Fondre


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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by melonhead » 14 Jan 2013 10:52

ref the OP- i was very pleased at how solid and effective guthrie and mcanuff were in the middle on their own. been so used to two CDMs it came as a bit of a surprise. really put west brom on the back foot.


think jobi is better than HRK and mcleary tbf.
yeah he has the quiet games offensively, but those quiet game is when the other team put two players to nullify each wingers, and he still works harder than the other two, gets back, covers his full back, whereas the other two rarely do.& hes still our highest assister

easily worth his place.imo



as for people moaning that kebe and Mcanuff dont go knock it past their man as often as they did in the championship.
you rarely see wingers do that in the prem.
im as frustrated as anyone when kebe stops and passes back/inside, but its clearly a tactical thing, and keeps possession/builds attacks/brings others into the game which is more important than flinging a random cross in to our one striker.

if you attaemp to go past a FB, and he knicks the ball, you are out of position, the FB and the winger double up on your FB and they end up scoring a goal.

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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by melonhead » 14 Jan 2013 10:52

Royal91 It ain't working for jobi down the wing so why not. We need a CAM as that's the one position we don't have covered.

Thank oxf*rd people have finally understood Guthrie is a deep lying play maker who needs to be in front of the back four.

Although if HRK is fit I would think he's a better CAM than Jobi.

So for Newcastle. Assuming everyone is fit apart from Roberts and L,wood


============Federici=============

Gunter====Pearce===Mapps====Kelly


========Karacan==Guthrie========


Kebe=========Jobi=========McCleary


=============Pog=================


Taylor, Morrinson, Harte. Carrico, Akpan, HRK, Le Fondre



like that team alot

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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by Extended-Phenotype » 14 Jan 2013 15:56

melonhead ref the OP- i was very pleased at how solid and effective guthrie and mcanuff were in the middle on their own. been so used to two CDMs it came as a bit of a surprise. really put west brom on the back foot.


think jobi is better than HRK and mcleary tbf.
yeah he has the quiet games offensively, but those quiet game is when the other team put two players to nullify each wingers, and he still works harder than the other two, gets back, covers his full back, whereas the other two rarely do.& hes still our highest assister

easily worth his place.imo



as for people moaning that kebe and Mcanuff dont go knock it past their man as often as they did in the championship.
you rarely see wingers do that in the prem.

im as frustrated as anyone when kebe stops and passes back/inside, but its clearly a tactical thing, and keeps possession/builds attacks/brings others into the game which is more important than flinging a random cross in to our one striker.

if you attaemp to go past a FB, and he knicks the ball, you are out of position, the FB and the winger double up on your FB and they end up scoring a goal.


On average it seems a Premier League side makes between 14 and 15 crosses per game. I’d argue Reading are not doing that – either lacking in cross quality or failing to put them in at all.

The one person who seems to put a cross in more than most, is McCleary. I think that is fairly important to remember considering we seem to convert our crosses into goals rather successfully.

Of course some creativity should come from the middle, and you’d expect at least one central midfielder, especially in a 4-5-1 model, to get into the box for the cross (though this is also a winger responsibility!), but the primary source of creativity with our system (always has been, always will be) is the wide players, whether that’s crossing, cutting inside, slotting it through, or setting up the central midfielder with a ball to shoot or thread it himself.

Seems to be 99% of the time we are doing the latter, which is odd considering Jem, Legs and Tabb should be told to never, under any circumstances, shoot for goal. And, as illustrated by the last couple of game, it's "flinging crosses in" and positive attacking play by the wingers which get us our goals:


1-2 WB = McCleary cross, Kebe in the box, scored
2-2 WB = Kebe chasing into the box wins the penalty

1-1 CT = HRK cross, McCleary header back in, Le Fondre goal
1-2 CT = McCleary cross, Hunt goal

I’m not advocating a complete dependence on wing play, I’m suggesting that with our system the liability of creativity mainly falls with them and they should be entertaining the cross far more than they currently are.

It’s their timidity which is costing our creativity most.

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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by Gordons Cumming » 14 Jan 2013 16:06

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.....................and Akpan is also a quarter back.

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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by marekisgod » 14 Jan 2013 20:48

Goal Keeper

Gunter====Pearce===Mapps====Kelly


========Karacan==Guthrie========


Kebe=========Jobi=========McCleary


=============Pog=================


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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by maffff » 15 Jan 2013 00:21

==============Goal Keeper==============

Right back=Centre back=Centre back=Left back


===defensive midfielder=defensive midfielder===


=Right winger=Attacking midfielder=Left winger=


===============Striker===================


=Substitute=Substitute=Substitute=Substitute=Substitute=Substitute=Substitute=

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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by Royal91 » 15 Jan 2013 00:43

maffff ==============Goal Keeper==============

Right back=Centre back=Centre back=Left back


===defensive midfielder=defensive midfielder===


=Right winger=Attacking midfielder=Left winger=


===============Striker===================


=Substitute=Substitute=Substitute=Substitute=Substitute=Substitute=Substitute=


well that post added a lot value didn't it!

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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by Wimb » 15 Jan 2013 04:11

McAnuff isn't a great central midfielder, he's someone that can occasionally cause the odd problem when we're chasing the game, not do a job over 75+ minutes. One slightly fortunate (but amazing) comeback shouldn't cover up that fact.

Rarely has he ever influenced a game when he's moved inside and his last extended game in that position (at Liverpool in a 4-5-1) was hardly a spectacular success.

Right now the last thing we want to be doing is putting round pegs in square holes. He's a winger, doing a fairly decent job and gives us a bit of an option to move inside late on if things aren't going well. As others have said, our strategy is to keep things as tight as possible and hope to nick a goal in the first 65 before trying to win a 25 minute game late on. We're much more solid with Carrico/Akpan/Guthrie/Karacan and even Ledge/Tabb filling the main three midfield slots from the start.


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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by Wimb » 15 Jan 2013 04:16

Royal91 It ain't working for jobi down the wing so why not. We need a CAM as that's the one position we don't have covered.

Thank oxf*rd people have finally understood Guthrie is a deep lying play maker who needs to be in front of the back four.

Although if HRK is fit I would think he's a better CAM than Jobi.

So for Newcastle. Assuming everyone is fit apart from Roberts and L,wood


============Federici=============

Gunter====Pearce===Mapps====Kelly


========Karacan==Guthrie========


Kebe=========Jobi=========McCleary


=============Pog=================


Taylor, Morrinson, Harte. Carrico, Akpan, HRK, Le Fondre


lolwut

Kelly in at left-back while Gunter stays?!

What makes that worse is that you have McCleary on the left who struggles on that flank and leaves you with a very 1 sided team.

Also hope that Kelly can take a set piece considering just how many assists Shorey/Harte have provided this year....

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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by Royalclapper » 15 Jan 2013 10:10

McAnuff is terrible in this league. Reminds me of Walcott - bit soft centred, still thinks he's playing up the park with his mates aged 14, like a Peter Pan type character who's operating in the shark infested and shyster world of the Premier League.

McCleary looks way more dangerous than Jobi and Kebe combined. Stick with the specialists in the centre now we've got some options.

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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by melonhead » 15 Jan 2013 10:12

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melonhead ref the OP- i was very pleased at how solid and effective guthrie and mcanuff were in the middle on their own. been so used to two CDMs it came as a bit of a surprise. really put west brom on the back foot.


think jobi is better than HRK and mcleary tbf.
yeah he has the quiet games offensively, but those quiet game is when the other team put two players to nullify each wingers, and he still works harder than the other two, gets back, covers his full back, whereas the other two rarely do.& hes still our highest assister

easily worth his place.imo



as for people moaning that kebe and Mcanuff dont go knock it past their man as often as they did in the championship.
you rarely see wingers do that in the prem.

im as frustrated as anyone when kebe stops and passes back/inside, but its clearly a tactical thing, and keeps possession/builds attacks/brings others into the game which is more important than flinging a random cross in to our one striker.

if you attaemp to go past a FB, and he knicks the ball, you are out of position, the FB and the winger double up on your FB and they end up scoring a goal.


On average it seems a Premier League side makes between 14 and 15 crosses per game. I’d argue Reading are not doing that – either lacking in cross quality or failing to put them in at all.

The one person who seems to put a cross in more than most, is McCleary. I think that is fairly important to remember considering we seem to convert our crosses into goals rather successfully.

Of course some creativity should come from the middle, and you’d expect at least one central midfielder, especially in a 4-5-1 model, to get into the box for the cross (though this is also a winger responsibility!), but the primary source of creativity with our system (always has been, always will be) is the wide players, whether that’s crossing, cutting inside, slotting it through, or setting up the central midfielder with a ball to shoot or thread it himself.

Seems to be 99% of the time we are doing the latter, which is odd considering Jem, Legs and Tabb should be told to never, under any circumstances, shoot for goal. And, as illustrated by the last couple of game, it's "flinging crosses in" and positive attacking play by the wingers which get us our goals:


1-2 WB = McCleary cross, Kebe in the box, scored
2-2 WB = Kebe chasing into the box wins the penalty

1-1 CT = HRK cross, McCleary header back in, Le Fondre goal
1-2 CT = McCleary cross, Hunt goal

I’m not advocating a complete dependence on wing play, I’m suggesting that with our system the liability of creativity mainly falls with them and they should be entertaining the cross far more than they currently are.

It’s their timidity which is costing our creativity most.



with two wingers out wide, its quite a big ask probability wise that youre going to hit our lone striker in the box with a cross.
even if one of the midfield joins in, its still quite a big ask.

i think this is the sole reason jimmy kebe cuts back all the time and looks to build every time

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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by ZacNaloen » 15 Jan 2013 10:13

In the championship he could do the job until (fingers crossed) Tanner matures in the attacking midfielder he looks like he could.

In the prem, we need to buy in.

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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by melonhead » 15 Jan 2013 10:14

Royalclapper McCleary looks way more dangerous than Jobi and Kebe combined.
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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by Ian Royal » 15 Jan 2013 11:40

Wimb McAnuff isn't a great central midfielder, he's someone that can occasionally cause the odd problem when we're chasing the game, not do a job over 75+ minutes. One slightly fortunate (but amazing) comeback shouldn't cover up that fact.

Rarely has he ever influenced a game when he's moved inside and his last extended game in that position (at Liverpool in a 4-5-1) was hardly a spectacular success.

Right now the last thing we want to be doing is putting round pegs in square holes. He's a winger, doing a fairly decent job and gives us a bit of an option to move inside late on if things aren't going well. As others have said, our strategy is to keep things as tight as possible and hope to nick a goal in the first 65 before trying to win a 25 minute game late on. We're much more solid with Carrico/Akpan/Guthrie/Karacan and even Ledge/Tabb filling the main three midfield slots from the start.


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Re: Jobi McAnuf down the middle

by Esteban » 15 Jan 2013 11:54

Wimb McAnuff isn't a great central midfielder, he's someone that can occasionally cause the odd problem when we're chasing the game, not do a job over 75+ minutes. One slightly fortunate (but amazing) comeback shouldn't cover up that fact.

Rarely has he ever influenced a game when he's moved inside and his last extended game in that position (at Liverpool in a 4-5-1) was hardly a spectacular success.

Right now the last thing we want to be doing is putting round pegs in square holes. He's a winger, doing a fairly decent job and gives us a bit of an option to move inside late on if things aren't going well. As others have said, our strategy is to keep things as tight as possible and hope to nick a goal in the first 65 before trying to win a 25 minute game late on. We're much more solid with Carrico/Akpan/Guthrie/Karacan and even Ledge/Tabb filling the main three midfield slots from the start.


Have to agree with this. McAnuff's problem is that he's often left isolated and finds himself up against two or three players. Same with Kebe. Until either the full backs get forward to support our wingers more often, or the midfield creates a bit of space for our wingers to work with, then we'll struggle. We've got to move the ball faster across the middle and get the opposition on the back foot. For whatever reason, it took us 80-odd minutes to achieve that against West Brom.

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