Stadium Expansion

[TFF]

Yes but I lose my seat in the process of them building the boxes so they can piss off.

Something about omlettes, and eggs.

[Cypry]

The planning permission is simply renewed year on year. The East Stand's hospitality will be directly opposite the West Stand's.

I don't think this is correct. AZ has now said the club is reviewing the design and will be submitting a new planning application, which will take about a year. It therefore seems the current permission won't be implemented, as a 'simple' application to extend the time limit would take only a matter of weeks. The new proposed development could be completely different to the existing permission in terms of design, capacity etc. so we don't know what the new hospitality will entail yet and by the sounds of it, neither does the club at this stage.

^this - I think you can just forget anything you've been previously told about whether your seat will be moved etc - it's all likely to change

[SPARTA]

Yes but I lose my seat in the process of them building the boxes so they can piss off.

You don't know that. As part of the old plans yes you did, but if they add the hospitality they are talking about, we're looking at a row of boxes, not one small area as was planned. All existing seats should be fine. The building work goes on behind us.

Nope. I was even informed about it when they originally set the plans out. I doubt anything will change.

AZ has already stated that more boxes are a consideration, so if that was to happen, all existing seats should be fine.

You'll be alright in the corners. It's only going to stretch across 3 blocks:

Those are the old plans, and AZ has said we are considering more hospitality than was initially planned. If they do add another row of boxes then it will be from where the current stand ends at the top, and then the second tier on top of that.

You can ignore all old plans for the above and design that was drawn up; it's all being re-drawn up and new planning submitted - not a renewal of the agreed plan.

[Rex]

TBF the plans are on hold until Slammed buys his ST. Targeted hospitality.

[PieEater]

AZ has already stated that more boxes are a consideration, so if that was to happen, all existing seats should be fine.


Those are the old plans, and AZ has said we are considering more hospitality than was initially planned. If they do add another row of boxes then it will be from where the current stand ends at the top, and then the second tier on top of that.
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How do you know that? Why would they build expensive boxes at the back of the stand when they could carve out a section in the middle with a better view as originally proposed.

IMHO I think there will be even more rows in a similar area to go, i.e boxes and 4 rows of seats in front, so rather than X to DD going it will be V to FF (ha RL!)

[The Rouge]

You'll be alright in the corners. It's only going to stretch across 3 blocks:

Will Row Z be safe? that green block looks close...

[SPARTA]

AZ has already stated that more boxes are a consideration, so if that was to happen, all existing seats should be fine.


Those are the old plans, and AZ has said we are considering more hospitality than was initially planned. If they do add another row of boxes then it will be from where the current stand ends at the top, and then the second tier on top of that.
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How do you know that? Why would they build expensive boxes at the back of the stand when they could carve out a section in the middle with a better view as originally proposed.

Several boxes in the middle isn't going to bring much more money in, so it will be a full line of boxes if at all. I have never seen any club expand a stand and cut out 8-10 rows of seats to accommodate new exec boxes.

We're all spaculating, but considering the club have said they are throwing out the old plans and looking at new plans and considering more hospitality than was proposed, I would throw my money on boxes at the back of (FF or GG? which ever it is), NE corner to SE corner, and then then an upper tier.

We shall see.. I expect relegation this season in any case, so these new plans will be shelved once again.

[Jay o/]

i get the same impression as sparta, to be fair. anton said the club will re-design the expansion and they are considering more hospitality to capitalise on future income. that means the old plans are just that, old, and no longer worth considering. more hospitality he said, so it's a fair assumption that means more than we had originally drawn up that spammed is so emotional over. more almost certainly means a full row of exec boxes, and i find it highly unlikely (though not impossible, granted) that we would disrupt that many people just so the boxes were that bit closer to the pitch. they imo will be right behind the current back row and then we build back, and that will be a very impressive stand if it ever gets built.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

ISTR that in the old plans the "boxes" in the East Stand wasn't the full-blown hospitality area but was much more a members' bar area, more like the Club1871 in the corner than the real posh stuff. At the time they had no plans for extensive corporate-standard kitchens there, and no easy way of linking to the main catering suites behind the West Stand, so a glorified bar was going to be the best they'd be able to do.

[Divvy]

As long as they leave Row BB alone I don't mind; but seriously, I too can't see them ripping up a whole line of several rows just for boxes. I know they planned it for a small section in the middle, but not a whole lines worth. Any boxes would most likely be part of the new build behind the existing stand, and the majority of the work can take place without causing any disruption to the fans (95% of which are STH's in the East Stand - or were). Quite why people are still posting the old plans are getting pent up about them I don't know. As Anton has said, they're being re-written, so it will all change.

[Whore Jackie]

ISTR that in the old plans the "boxes" in the East Stand wasn't the full-blown hospitality area but was much more a members' bar area, more like the Club1871 in the corner than the real posh stuff. At the time they had no plans for extensive corporate-standard kitchens there, and no easy way of linking to the main catering suites behind the West Stand, so a glorified bar was going to be the best they'd be able to do.

That's my recollection too.

Can't imagine them not opting for hospitality areas with access to a kitchen, to give as much flexibility as possible. Bar 1871 changed from a glorified bar last season, to match sponsors with food room this year.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

ISTR that in the old plans the "boxes" in the East Stand wasn't the full-blown hospitality area but was much more a members' bar area, more like the Club1871 in the corner than the real posh stuff. At the time they had no plans for extensive corporate-standard kitchens there, and no easy way of linking to the main catering suites behind the West Stand, so a glorified bar was going to be the best they'd be able to do.

That's my recollection too.

Can't imagine them not opting for hospitality areas with access to a kitchen, to give as much flexibility as possible. Bar 1871 changed from a glorified bar last season, to match sponsors with food room this year.

Yep, the point is that if they build "corporate standard" hospitality areas there then they need to have a whole kitchen set-up, virtually duplicating what's in the West, and I'm not sure there's the space in the East for that without major and expensive changes that i don't think would be cost justified.

[PieEater]

I don't know why people think the new plans will consider the impact to fans more, his Madj after building the club up for years didn't, AZ will have less inclination to accommodate or minimize the impact to supporters.

Be under no illusions we are just shit on their shoes that they will wipe off to make a fast buck.

I've no doubt they will do what is best for the corporates and impacted fans will just have to make way.

[winchester_royal]

'Greed, the last thing a club who wants to build a new stadium to attract more fans to fill a bigger stadium is going to do is consider the match day experience of supporters.

[PieEater]

That's not at all what I said, but carry on.

[West Stand Man]

That's not at all what I said, but carry on.

It is a pretty good summary of what you said - even if that is not what you meant.

[Bandini]

This is all very exciting. There's no doubt that there's the demand for a stadium expansion, so let's hope this gets done sooner rather than later.

[PieEater]

What I said was that the new designers priority on location of the exec boxes will have the impact to fans who sat in their seat for years pretty low down their list of considerations on where they site it, and that nobody should expect less impact because new plans are being drawn up.

The previous plans had a bar area and that impacted people, exec boxes would cause a bigger impact if located in the same place. If fans impact was a priority why was the bar area sited where it was when they could of put it at the back and impacted no one?

Anyone who expects the boxes to be tagged on somewhere that doesn't have the best views is IMHO wrong. But lets wait and see.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

It's a balancing act - if they didn't want to force anyone to move or to ever be inconvenienced we'd still be at Elm Park, so they can't let a relatively small number of people derail the whole exercise.

All they can do is make sure they're fair and do the best to minimise the inconvenience to those forced to move - for instance by offering them a discount ST and giving the, the first pick of the new seats.

But even if they do that, you can be sure that there'll still be some people who'll dig their heels in and object just because they can and because they want to be a martyr.

[melonhead]

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