Jem. Good championship player, crap prem player?

[SPARTA]

Discuss. Basically I think Jem Karacan has been poor this season and has shown that he doesn't quite have it takes to play at the top level.

What do others think? Can he get better or is he a distinctly limited player?

I really don't get the fuss about the boy. He's lightweight, is a poor passer of the ball, offers nothing creatively. All I see is a lad that runs a lot, a bit like Andy Hughes. I'm often critical about Leigertwood, but I'd have over Karacan every day of the week. I'm not even that sure he's all that in the Championship. As some have said, he's still young, so he may improve next season, but I wont miss him when his move to Turkey finally materialises.

[AJ_urz9]

Really good at running around, never stops running. Good also at actually getting the ball too. But once we gets the ball he seems to have absolutely no clue what to do with it.

[SPARTA]

Really good at running around, never stops running. Good also at actually getting the ball too. But once we gets the ball he seems to have absolutely no clue what to do with it.

If he was used as an anchorman, then that would suit him. Tackle hard, win the ball and then lay it off to the defensive and pass it about patiently; but that isn't Brian's game. Guthrie found that out the hard way. We are a direct team. Get it, lump it, chase it, hope it breaks for us. More often than not though the ball just comes back at us.

Love Brian, but I hate his style. It was effective, with large slices of luck in the Championship, but we all said we would get raped at this level if we didn't change it, and so it has proved.

[JordCot]

Personally I don't have much of a problem with Jem. He needs the right partner tbh. I live with a newcastle supporter so have seen a few of there games on tv and stuff and I see him a lot like tiote. Obviously Tiote is the better player, but his role, much likes Jem's, is to run around and get in the face of the opposition and cause problems. Often his positioning is pretty poor and he leaves gaps which his team mates then cover but he causes so many errors when the opposition is in possession that he makes up for his positioning. I think Jem can do the same thing with the right set of players. The players around him and more importantly the way in which we play means that he gets exploited a lot more and often becomes for trouble than he is worth

[winchester_royal]

:roll:


but the point is that we'd have had to have kept a player here against his will for four fukkin years for that. and in that time he wouldnt have grown as much as he has at millwall so probably wouldnt be as good anyway.

Alright Brendy chill out m8.

Personally I think we got rid of him too quickly as he was showing just as much promise as any of our younger players. Sorry for bringing up a clearly sensitive topic though.

[winchester_royal]

HRK is much better than James Henry which is why he is still here and Henry is not.

What are you basing that on?

[peterroyal76]

He's clearly not a crap player, he didn't play well on saturday but neither did the rest of them. He's been adequate for most of the season, just like the rest of our midfield.
I think he'd make a good wing-back and think this could be his best position.

[Pandoras Box]

Saw loads of posts in the past that Church was pointless (agree) cos all he did was run around at 100 mph and achieved f* all. Jem anyone ?
So, do we choose the role he plays as a little terrier or use his place to have someone who can tackle, hold the ball and play a good pass. Sorry,but just couldn't see the point of him Saturday.

[Divvy]

Very average. Had plenty of games to show some quality and not really done that yet. Not fussed if he goes in the summer.

[Doolittle]

I thought a big part of our problem against Wigan was that playing Akpan and Karacan together didn't work at all. (The other problem was placing Sean Morrison in an invidious position by breaking up a non-broken CB partnership, but I digress). If Akpan was meant to be the one getting forward, then Karacan needed to hold a position alongside Leigertwood to keep the back four protected. Instead of which he chased the ball all round the pitch, and left us with no cover in midfield. Wigan kept luring him and McAnuff into advanced positions, and then passed the ball around them into acres of space in front of Ian Harte. Personally I think the two holding players need to be Ledge and Guthrie ( because they have the most nous and discipline), with either Hope or Jem playing the box-to-box role, at least when we play 4-5-1.

[sandman]

I don't like Jem! In fact I hate him and all the other players. Except when we win and then I'll think they're all great.

Yours,

F. Fickle

Thanks for the sarcasm Sandman. I actually like him a lot and always have, just worried about his technical ability.

You're welcome.

I like Jem also but I'm afraid I just don't get the point of threads that pick out certain players. We already know that the majority of our players don't "quite have it takes to play at the top level".

For the record I was annoyed on Saturday that Akpan came off instead of Jem as I felt he had a poorer first half.

Btw I'm not convinced that you need great technical ability to play in the PL or at least not as much as you need to play in the other top leagues in Europe.

[Agent Balti]

And the light is seen. Been saying this for well over two seasons, he's severely limited. OK, he's young, but as posted above, he's not really progressed that much.

He can run around for days, sure, kudos for that. He can't pick a pass, doesn't have a devastating shot, I've never seen him take a free kick, corner, penalty or anything from a dead ball situation (OK, maybe a throw-in!) Yes, I know many others can testify to the same non-feat, just saying that there's no versatility there.

I think we bought Caricco to effectively replace Jem as he offers nothing creatively and never has done. I'd like to say he's a good old fashioned midfield destroyer a la Parky...but he's not even that. He's just a sensible break-up play kinda guy who can run and run, and that's all there is. If he actually was that good, he'd have been snapped up by a Turkish club (even Colin Kazim-Richards managed that.)

[Gordons Cumming]

If he's a fans favourite we're really in trouble.

[gazzer, loyal royal]

i like Jem as a footballer. I think he's the only player in the team with the energy to close people down for the whole game. Trouble is, he's so frenetic, he does everything at 100 miles an hour, even when he has the ball. He was adapting last year really well, but with the step up he has had to adapt again. with better players pressurising him and reading him he's got to find that little bit more composure. If we play with a 5 in midfield he's pivotal to it. I think he sets the pace, and if he has a poor day it feeds around the team.

[melonhead]

:roll:


but the point is that we'd have had to have kept a player here against his will for four fukkin years for that. and in that time he wouldnt have grown as much as he has at millwall so probably wouldnt be as good anyway.

Alright Brendy chill out m8.

Personally I think we got rid of him too quickly as he was showing just as much promise as any of our younger players. Sorry for bringing up a clearly sensitive topic though.

i bloody well wont.


its been years, and this season is the first where he has really looked like hes fulfilled that potential.
surely thats too long for us to have kept him, but a perfect fit for millwall and him.

[winchester_royal]

:roll:


but the point is that we'd have had to have kept a player here against his will for four fukkin years for that. and in that time he wouldnt have grown as much as he has at millwall so probably wouldnt be as good anyway.

Alright Brendy chill out m8.

Personally I think we got rid of him too quickly as he was showing just as much promise as any of our younger players. Sorry for bringing up a clearly sensitive topic though.

i bloody well wont.


its been years, and this season is the first where he has really looked like hes fulfilled that potential.
surely thats too long for us to have kept him, but a perfect fit for millwall and him.

You make a decent point.

But fcuk off

[melonhead]

never!

[Ian Royal]

HRK is much better than James Henry which is why he is still here and Henry is not.

What are you basing that on?

One's in the Championship and one's in the Premier League.

I still think Jem would make a better right back where he'd have to be a bit more restricted in where he can run around and his relatively poor passing and off the ball movement would be far less of an issue.

[winchester_royal]

HRK is much better than James Henry which is why he is still here and Henry is not.

What are you basing that on?

One's in the Championship and one's in the Premier League.

By that logic you believe Noel Hunt to be better than Craig Bellamy?

[maffff]

By that logic you believe Noel Hunt to be better than Craig Bellamy?

Noel Hunt isn't welsh. In my eyes and by that logic alone

Although Bellamy might be the better golfer.