McDermott Hits Back

138 posts
windermere_royal
Hob Nob Regular
Posts: 2453
Joined: 10 Sep 2006 16:25

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by windermere_royal » 20 Apr 2013 14:58

winchester_royal Seriously, who cares?


HUGE +1

User avatar
AirRaidSiren
Hob Nob Regular
Posts: 1032
Joined: 13 Oct 2012 13:17
Location: where the sun shines all night

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by AirRaidSiren » 20 Apr 2013 15:01

winchester_royal Who. Gives. A. Fuck.

We've moved on, he's moved on, time for HNA to move on.


Exactly this

User avatar
Ian Royal
Hob Nob Legend
Posts: 35156
Joined: 15 Apr 2004 13:43
Location: Playing spot the pc*nt on HNA?

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by Ian Royal » 20 Apr 2013 16:04

AirRaidSiren
winchester_royal Who. Gives. A. Fuck.

We've moved on, he's moved on, time for HNA to move on.


Exactly this

Agree with this. Bored of talking / reading about what went wrong. Looking forward with Adkins and how we're going to change please.

sandman
Hob Nob Super-Addict
Posts: 12449
Joined: 01 Oct 2008 18:25
Location: Slaughterhouse soaked in blood and betrayal

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by sandman » 20 Apr 2013 16:49

AirRaidSiren
sandman
AirRaidSiren I don't believe a single thing McDermott says any more. So many contradictions spew out of his mouth. He has on many occasions said that this team is good enough to stay up. He was happy with what he had.

The more I hear tripe from him, the more I lose respect for him. He isn't Reading any more and hasn't been for 5 weeks and we're still going on about him :roll:

Anton has been with us fully for a short time, it's time to give him a chance, as well as our current manager, not someone managing Leeds.


:roll:

It's been explained to you and your cronies several times that he was not going to say the squad wasn't good enough and he was unhappy with the budget he had been given. Neither would most, if not all managers, because they would lose the dressing room of players they had and alienate their bosses by doing so in public.

Our current manager knows we are going down but he is not saying it in public, no manager would, because you lose the hearts and minds of the players you have got.

Come on, it's not that difficult to understand, it's football politics and dressing room management psychology 101.


It's also not that difficult to understand that other teams and managers have adapted to the Premiership after coming up from the Championship with the current squad they had, plus added additions, like McDermott and Reading, but he failed miserably. Stop making excuses for him.

Also, all this bullshit about 'punching above our weight', it's such a cop out. Wigan, West Ham, Saints, West Brom, Norwich, Fulham, Swansea, are they also 'punching above their weight'? No. They adapted. We didn't.


It's not about making excuses for him it's about understanding how managers manage and how you keep your players on your side. I don't blame you for not getting it, you just haven't got the brain to process it.

Ignore what happened during the TW and concentrate on the day after and the months following which is the part of your post I am querying. If he said the day after the window shut that he wasn't satisfied with what he had given the budget given and they weren't good enough then he is stuck with players who are not only lacking in quality but lacking in spirit as well. Being satisfied with the players you bought within the budget given is not the same as being satisfied with the budget but again if you criticise the budget in public then you lose the owner.

Were we the best team in the Champ last season? Did we have the best squad? Did other teams like West Ham have more PL quality players than us? Saying we overachieving is not a "cop out" it's a fact.

Anyway he's losing today so I'm sure you'll be ecstatic.

User avatar
RoyalBlue
Hob Nob Subscriber
Hob Nob Subscriber
Posts: 11778
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 22:39
Location: Developed a pathological hatred of snakes on 14/10/19

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by RoyalBlue » 20 Apr 2013 17:10

If what McDermott says is true (big doubts) and he did spend all of the budget available to him, then he still remains extremely culpable himself for wasting so much of it on players that he would not select for the majority of the season and others, such as Blackman, who simply aren't good enough.

Then we also have the fact that in the last transfer window money clearly was available, unless everyone at the club lied about the bid for Sig, and yet McDermott again failed to make the best use of it (all eggs in one basket going for a player he had personal experience of?).

I suspect that the people who most influenced Anton last summer were McDermott (wanting to stay loyal to his players) and Madejski pushing Anton to continue with the sensible (in his view) 'Reading Way'.


User avatar
AirRaidSiren
Hob Nob Regular
Posts: 1032
Joined: 13 Oct 2012 13:17
Location: where the sun shines all night

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by AirRaidSiren » 20 Apr 2013 17:11

@sandman

"It's not about making excuses for him it's about understanding how managers manage and how you keep your players on your side.".
Oh the irony. So, basically what you are saying is that McDermott knew his team wasn't good enough but was keeping faith with them by being positive all the time? By the way, it was his team that he bought/brought through that wasn't good enough, can't your head process that fact?

He bought SEVEN players in the summer transfer window for the Premiership campaign, are you saying that he bought crap players that aren't quality enough and knew it but is saying they are great just to keep the positivity? You're talking out of your proverbial backside.

"Were we the best team in the Champ last season? Yes. The table doesn't lie.
Did we have the best squad? Again, Yes. The squad won us the Championship, collectively.
Did other teams like West Ham have more PL quality players than us? It's irrelevant playing in the Championship, but going up again, teams have done it without it

"Saying we overachieving is not a "cop out" it's a fact."
According to you. Again, this overachieving/punching above our weight is total bullshit. We deserved our promotion, we deserved our place in the Premiership, we fought tooth and nail for it and achieved it. When you're in it(Premiership), you take the next huge step up and adapt. Like I said, other teams managed it, Brian didn't. He had plan a, a quick plan b, game in game out and never adjusted, nor did our style of play.

To stay in the Premiership you must have the right blend and structure. We hadn't. Why? Brian McDermott, that's why.

Forest Gump
Member
Posts: 255
Joined: 15 Apr 2004 09:22

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by Forest Gump » 22 Apr 2013 21:29

All I can say is whoever made the decision that this squad was good enough to practically pass over two transfer windows needs to take responsibility forthe fact that we have wasted a great opportunity to enjoy sustained Premiership football and the money "saved" by trying to do it on thecheap will look like a drop in the Ocean compared to the lost revenue from being out of the top tier for several more years.
Personally, even if McD did not make all the decisions about signings he was still appalling in his selection, tactics and formation.

Man Friday
Hob Nob Regular
Posts: 2856
Joined: 20 Nov 2005 13:45

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by Man Friday » 22 Apr 2013 22:28

...hairstyle, choice of car, favourite pop group and spectacles.

And he's still to blame if we don't get promoted back to the Pl next season, or the season after that, or the season after that (continue ad finitum).

the_royals
New Member
Posts: 2
Joined: 29 Apr 2013 16:31

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by the_royals » 30 Apr 2013 00:13

RoyalBlue If what McDermott says is true (big doubts) and he did spend all of the budget available to him, then he still remains extremely culpable himself for wasting so much of it on players that he would not select for the majority of the season and others, such as Blackman, who simply aren't good enough.

Then we also have the fact that in the last transfer window money clearly was available, unless everyone at the club lied about the bid for Sig, and yet McDermott again failed to make the best use of it (all eggs in one basket going for a player he had personal experience of?).



Completely agree with this. If BM did or did not spend all of his budget, does it really matter? What he did spend was money on players with hardly any prem experience (with the exception of a couple), that in hindsight just did not have what it takes in the PL.
I believe we have a good squad for the championship, but I cant see Pog or Carrico staying. The one I really want to stay is Guthrie, a player who plays the Adkins way. He has been our best player in recent weeks!

As much as I loved Brian at the club, it was time to move on. The fact he had a dig at the Reading fans at the players awards ceremony at Leeds last week is another story.....


User avatar
Royal91
Hob Nob Regular
Posts: 1391
Joined: 09 Oct 2012 19:04

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by Royal91 » 30 Apr 2013 00:36

the_royals
RoyalBlue If what McDermott says is true (big doubts) and he did spend all of the budget available to him, then he still remains extremely culpable himself for wasting so much of it on players that he would not select for the majority of the season and others, such as Blackman, who simply aren't good enough.

Then we also have the fact that in the last transfer window money clearly was available, unless everyone at the club lied about the bid for Sig, and yet McDermott again failed to make the best use of it (all eggs in one basket going for a player he had personal experience of?).



Completely agree with this. If BM did or did not spend all of his budget, does it really matter? What he did spend was money on players with hardly any prem experience (with the exception of a couple), that in hindsight just did not have what it takes in the PL.
I believe we have a good squad for the championship, but I cant see Pog or Carrico staying. The one I really want to stay is Guthrie, a player who plays the Adkins way. He has been our best player in recent weeks!

As much as I loved Brian at the club, it was time to move on. The fact he had a dig at the Reading fans at the players awards ceremony at Leeds last week is another story.....


Can someone elaborate on that??

Za Vas
Member
Posts: 238
Joined: 03 Jul 2012 14:33

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by Za Vas » 30 Apr 2013 00:53

Apparently a paper in Leeds quoted him as saying "More fans here than at a Reading home game"

My source is the Bmac thread in GF and is therefore 100% reliable.

User avatar
Wimb
Hob Nob Regular
Posts: 4397
Joined: 21 Nov 2005 09:43
Location: www.thetilehurstend.com

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by Wimb » 30 Apr 2013 11:18

That massive average attendance of 21,572....

Sanguine
Hob Nob Legend
Posts: 26405
Joined: 27 Feb 2013 14:36

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by Sanguine » 30 Apr 2013 11:29

And in the Premier League they got regular 35000 crowds.

But seriously, who gives a fcuk?

It was a joke by the new Leeds manager to Leeds fans, it's not like he's said this in an interview with the Times.


User avatar
royal_ross
Member
Posts: 245
Joined: 24 Feb 2008 22:53
Location: The chaos they call SLOUGH

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by royal_ross » 30 Apr 2013 11:39

Sanguine And in the Premier League they got regular 35000 crowds.

But seriously, who gives a fcuk?

It was a joke by the new Leeds manager to Leeds fans, it's not like he's said this in an interview with the Times.


Exactly. Won't change my opinion of him. Always respect what he did for us with sod all money to get us up to the Premier League, a legend in my eyes and most people on here.....hopefully.

User avatar
Z175
Hob Nob Regular
Posts: 1704
Joined: 19 Jul 2004 18:52
Location: All time championship championes

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by Z175 » 30 Apr 2013 12:51

royal_ross
Sanguine And in the Premier League they got regular 35000 crowds.

But seriously, who gives a fcuk?

It was a joke by the new Leeds manager to Leeds fans, it's not like he's said this in an interview with the Times.


Exactly. Won't change my opinion of him. Always respect what he did for us with sod all money to get us up to the Premier League, a legend in my eyes and most people on here.....hopefully.


And also last manager to preside over a home goal :D

User avatar
Hoop Blah
Hob Nob Super-Addict
Posts: 13937
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 09:00
Location: I told you so.....

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by Hoop Blah » 30 Apr 2013 13:30

royal_ross
Sanguine And in the Premier League they got regular 35000 crowds.

But seriously, who gives a fcuk?

It was a joke by the new Leeds manager to Leeds fans, it's not like he's said this in an interview with the Times.


Exactly. Won't change my opinion of him. Always respect what he did for us with sod all money to get us up to the Premier League, a legend in my eyes and most people on here.....hopefully.


Sod all money that was actually one of the most competitive budgets in the division you mean?

I'm not too fussed what McDermott said or says about Reading. He's a good one for nonsensical soundbites and cliches at the best of times and so I expect him to pull a few out of the bag to win over his new fans.

Coppell used to refer to RFC as all fur-coat and no knickers. It didn't stop him being an excellent manager or someone with a lot of respect for the club and I'm sure whatever McDermott comes out with doesn't really change his feelings for the club who gave him employment and no end of opportunity for more than a decade.

Royal Biscuitman
Hob Nob Regular
Posts: 1033
Joined: 23 Jun 2012 18:15
Location: Anything Else

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by Royal Biscuitman » 01 May 2013 14:31

AirRaidSiren I don't believe a single thing McDermott says any more. So many contradictions spew out of his mouth. He has on many occasions said that this team is good enough to stay up. He was happy with what he had.
To be fair, he said that to the media but may not have said that behind closed doors.

If my manager said to the papers that I was useless and he wanted to get rid of me and get someone better in I wouldn't find that very motivational, whereas if he said I was good enough to perform that may inspire me to deliver.

User avatar
genome
Hob Nob Legend
Posts: 25881
Joined: 08 Jul 2012 13:29
Location: Universe

Re: McDermott Hits Back

by genome » 01 May 2013 17:00

To carry on the theme


138 posts

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: donh99, st george and 215 guests

It is currently 25 Nov 2024 13:20