Brian: The right decision?

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Have the club done the right thing to sack Brian today?

Yes
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No
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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by Cypry » 21 May 2013 13:33

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err so I am meant to believe that Brian was offered millions to buy players and yet stubbornly refused to do so - instead looking for freebies - or do I believe him when he repeatedly said "I spent everything I was given". I doubt any football manager has ever refused to spend his budget.


All I can say is what I've been told by a source who's proven to be 100% reliable in the past - Anton was "practically begging" Brian to spend more in the Summer and he said he was happy with what he had....

If you want more, circumstantial, evidence, then just look at the way McD was said to have reacted to me repeating some of the things he said at the STAR forum. The only thing that i could possibly believe that he was upset about was my repeating of his response to someone who asked whether Anton was interfering with team selection, and player choices in the transfer market, to which Brian replied "he tried, but we soon put a stop to that" - could it be that Brian wanted to prove a point to Anton and "believing in the players that got us up" was part of that? Brian also said he wanted 2 players for every position - he did just that.

At the same event, Brian was very candid about the signing of Pog - I believe he was described as a "present" from Anton - you might wonder if it was an effort by Anton to "lead the way" and encourage Brian to look at players other than his established favourites...

Whatever, I believe that it was Brian's failure to deliver in the transfer market that led to his demise (and it's surely hard for anyone to argue that he was successful this year in that department), and suspect that had he not won MotM for January, then he would have gone sooner.


lol his reaction to the STAR leak had nothing to do with the information that was released but at the principal that someone was so quick to spout online what he'd heard at a 'closed doors' meeting.

I also remember at the same meeting that he said he'd admired Pog and then Anton went and got him for him, so hardly a present.

From other sources I've heard which again are as reliable to the public as what you say so I can only say it, Brian wanted a long short-list of players but was told this is your budget this is all you've got. So with those demands Brian went for depth rather than quality which obviously proved the wrong move.

As others have said, there can't be a manager out there who would have refused to spend his budget, unless he was worried that Anton didn't have the money and wanted to avoid being labelled the next Redknapp.

Finally, bear in mind that sources can be influenced by who they know, what they want to get out. Of course we don't know your source and nor should you reveal them but how do you know they're not trying to paint Anton in a positive light or just had a dislike of Brian?


I have no reason to doubt what my friend said, or why he said it. He has, however, been 100% accurate in the past with what he's told me, including a number of things which I've not shared (and will not share) on here.

Brian chose to be loyal to the players that won promotion - it was reflected both in his transfer activity, and in his selections on the pitch. That approach ultimately cost him....

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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by Cypry » 21 May 2013 13:35

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err so I am meant to believe that Brian was offered millions to buy players and yet stubbornly refused to do so - instead looking for freebies - or do I believe him when he repeatedly said "I spent everything I was given". I doubt any football manager has ever refused to spend his budget.


All I can say is what I've been told by a source who's proven to be 100% reliable in the past - Anton was "practically begging" Brian to spend more in the Summer and he said he was happy with what he had....

If you want more, circumstantial, evidence, then just look at the way McD was said to have reacted to me repeating some of the things he said at the STAR forum. The only thing that i could possibly believe that he was upset about was my repeating of his response to someone who asked whether Anton was interfering with team selection, and player choices in the transfer market, to which Brian replied "he tried, but we soon put a stop to that" - could it be that Brian wanted to prove a point to Anton and "believing in the players that got us up" was part of that? Brian also said he wanted 2 players for every position - he did just that.

At the same event, Brian was very candid about the signing of Pog - I believe he was described as a "present" from Anton - you might wonder if it was an effort by Anton to "lead the way" and encourage Brian to look at players other than his established favourites...

Whatever, I believe that it was Brian's failure to deliver in the transfer market that led to his demise (and it's surely hard for anyone to argue that he was successful this year in that department), and suspect that had he not won MotM for January, then he would have gone sooner.


lol his reaction to the STAR leak had nothing to do with the information that was released but at the principal that someone was so quick to spout online what he'd heard at a 'closed doors' meeting.

I also remember at the same meeting that he said he'd admired Pog and then Anton went and got him for him, so hardly a present.

From other sources I've heard which again are as reliable to the public as what you say so I can only say it, Brian wanted a long short-list of players but was told this is your budget this is all you've got. So with those demands Brian went for depth rather than quality which obviously proved the wrong move.

As others have said, there can't be a manager out there who would have refused to spend his budget, unless he was worried that Anton didn't have the money and wanted to avoid being labelled the next Redknapp.

Finally, bear in mind that sources can be influenced by who they know, what they want to get out. Of course we don't know your source and nor should you reveal them but how do you know they're not trying to paint Anton in a positive light or just had a dislike of Brian?


I have no reason to doubt what my friend said, or why he said it. He has, however, been 100% accurate in the past with what he's told me, including a number of things which I've not shared (and will not share) on here.

Brian chose to be loyal to the players that won promotion - it was reflected both in his transfer activity, and in his selections on the pitch. That approach ultimately cost him....

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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by melonhead » 21 May 2013 15:32

saying it twice doesnt make it true.


you may have no reason to doubt, but i do, so wont be paying any attention to what you say

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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by Maguire » 21 May 2013 15:33

I heard that Anton did not practically beg Brian McDermott to spend more of his money.

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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by melonhead » 21 May 2013 15:35

i heard that brian begged anton to beg him to spend more of his money


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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by Maguire » 21 May 2013 15:37

I heard that Anton begged Brian to beg him to "practically" beg him to spend more of his money.

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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by Maguire » 21 May 2013 15:37

Anyone else heard anything?

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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by Cypry » 21 May 2013 15:38

melonhead saying it twice doesnt make it true.



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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by Arch » 21 May 2013 15:40

Maguire I heard that Anton did not practically beg Brian McDermott to spend more of his money.

Well I've heard that he did, and I'm willing to name my source.


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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by Ian Royal » 22 May 2013 01:42

I reckon the "truth" lies somewhere in the middle and that Anton probably was a bit more excitable about making big signings, whereas Brian was more conservative in his approach but they basically agreed what they thought would be ok with the help of Hammond.

Clearly, they were wrong, and I doubt any one of them was raging against the decision. Brian could have realised he needed more quality and pushed for a bigger budget, Hammond could have said "hold on, I've been here before, we need more quality" and Anton could have been more forceful in putting forward a bigger budget to spend.

To me, it just looks fairly clear that our whole set up just wasn't familiar enough with Premier League quality. We're great at identifying players who could potentially make the step up in a season or two, or with the right team around them. But far less good at identifying players who are just completely at home at that level. Which, to a certain extent, is understandable given our general lack of experience at that level.

We kinda lucked out in 06/07 with a group of players who mostly hit their potential at the same time. And if we hadn't got promoted the previous season, I think we'd have seen three or four of them on their bike and would have quite possibly struggled with replacing them and ended up falling down the Championship to become an also ran for a while, assuming we could recover.

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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by melonhead » 22 May 2013 02:08

Clearly a decision was made to go up on the cheap and if we went down,use the money - 40 million plus parachutes- to fund improvements to team and infrstructure. As part of a long term plan for growing the club. What we don't know is who played what part in that decision.

Seems like a sensible business plan to me

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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by westendgirl » 22 May 2013 08:42

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lol his reaction to the STAR leak had nothing to do with the information that was released but at the principal that someone was so quick to spout online what he'd heard at a 'closed doors' meeting.



I understand that Brian's reaction to the leak was nothing as he realised it could get in the public domain but the club's media department were the ones complaining.

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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by Avon Royal » 24 May 2013 08:02

melonhead Clearly a decision was made to go up on the cheap and if we went down,use the money - 40 million plus parachutes- to fund improvements to team and infrstructure. As part of a long term plan for growing the club. What we don't know is who played what part in that decision.

Seems like a sensible business plan to me


Yep, every sensible business plan to grow a football club starts with relegation from the richest league in the world.


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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by From Despair To Where? » 24 May 2013 08:07

Maguire Anyone else heard anything?



It all beggars belief really.

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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by Esteban » 24 May 2013 10:39

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melonhead Clearly a decision was made to go up on the cheap and if we went down,use the money - 40 million plus parachutes- to fund improvements to team and infrstructure. As part of a long term plan for growing the club. What we don't know is who played what part in that decision.

Seems like a sensible business plan to me


Yep, every sensible business plan to grow a football club starts with relegation from the richest league in the world.


He said 'IF' we are relegated. :roll:

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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by Extended-Phenotype » 24 May 2013 10:44

melonhead Clearly a decision was made to go up on the cheap and if we went down,use the money - 40 million plus parachutes- to fund improvements to team and infrstructure. As part of a long term plan for growing the club. What we don't know is who played what part in that decision.

Seems like a sensible business plan to me


:lol:

Rather than invest to stay up, earn three times as much and be able to retain and attract a better class of player?

Yeah, great plan.

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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by Royal With Cheese » 24 May 2013 12:07

fcuk me - can we not put this thread out of it's misery?

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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by Extended-Phenotype » 24 May 2013 15:29

Royal With Cheese fcuk me - can we not put this thread out of it's misery?


Not in this country.

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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by melonhead » 24 May 2013 16:24

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melonhead Clearly a decision was made to go up on the cheap and if we went down,use the money - 40 million plus parachutes- to fund improvements to team and infrstructure. As part of a long term plan for growing the club. What we don't know is who played what part in that decision.

Seems like a sensible business plan to me


Yep, every sensible business plan to grow a football club starts with relegation from the richest league in the world.
the other approach only works if you're willing to lose the money in the first place. i reckon antons investors would baulk at spending forty million and possibly losing it.this way they have made forty million AMD can now use it to build the club

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Re: Brian: The right decision?

by Extended-Phenotype » 24 May 2013 16:33

What, you mean like last time we were relegated?

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