Rumour - Charlie Austin

[jellytot]

He has to be fit to start the season. Kebe seems unlikely to be availble for a while and Roberts
Mote so. The last thing we need is for him to be unavailable for a while. I.personally hope Sharp or Hopper arrive but it looks like Hooper is off to harryland.

[Elm Park Pasty]

Does anyone else think the medical at hull was more about his rumoured "off field problems"than his knee?

No

They wouldn't have bothered with him at all if that was a problem

That would depend on whether they knew before (after all rumours aren't proof), and whether Burnley failed to mention any issues.

[Elm Park Pasty]

He has to be fit to start the season. Kebe seems unlikely to be availble for a while and Roberts
Mote so. The last thing we need is for him to be unavailable for a while. I.personally hope Sharp or Hopper arrive but it looks like Hooper is off to harryland.

By the sounds of it (ignoring off the field 'rumours'), it sounds like Austin is fit at the moment, it was his potential to become injured that caused the problem.

[soggy biscuit]

I think my view of what 'failed a medical' means (a stupid phrase) is somewhat different to many others on here.

That is all really

[Elm Park Pasty]

I think my view of what 'failed a medical' means (a stupid phrase) is somewhat different to many others on here.

That is all really

It is quite silly when you think of it, that you can fail a medical by walking in but pass it coming in on crutches, just depending on the injury.

[soggy biscuit]

Heard someone explain once that it is almost always really a case of failing the valuation rather than failing the medical as such.

Selling club want £10M and no lower, prospective buying club get them in and doctors say with their history of extended recovery time from injuries they can expect player x to miss a certain amount of games a season. Prospective buying club go back to selling club and explain that they will only offer £7M due to this and that they will need to be sure they have a decent reserve player to make so many appearances to cover them. Selling club say no. deal off.

Sky Sports news 'PLAYER X FAILS MEDICAL!!!!'
Internet goes into mongdown'

[Elm Park Pasty]

Heard someone explain once that it is almost always really a case of failing the valuation rather than failing the medical as such.

Selling club want £10M and no lower, prospective buying club get them in and doctors say with their history of extended recovery time from injuries they can expect player x to miss a certain amount of games a season. Prospective buying club go back to selling club and explain that they will only offer £7M due to this and that they will need to be sure they have a decent reserve player to make so many appearances to cover them. Selling club say no. deal off.

Sky Sports news 'PLAYER X FAILS MEDICAL!!!!'
Internet goes into mongdown'

Cheers Soggy!!! Honestly did not know that. But given you do a survey on a house you want to buy for much less cost than this (well mine anyway ) it should not be surprising that clubs do a similar thing.

[Ian Royal]

Makes an awful lot of sense. Along with a buyer just plain saying 'nah, too high a risk of long term injury with that evaluation, we need someone we can be reasonably sure will be available the majority of the time'.

It's all percentages at best. Increase chance of x etc. Doesn't mean it's going to happen.

[SPARTA]

Judging by the fact the owner of the football family website (Reading fan) spoke to his contact today and got gossip on Carrico, Legs, Sharp, Le Fondre and Hooper, he got nothing about Austin, and if we had placed a bid for him then you'd expect he would have got something about that today and he didn't.

[FridaysGhost]

If you look at Austin's appearances and age, injury does not seem to be an issue. He's just been an almost play-every-game player for Burnley and his scoring record speaks for itself. Is it possible that any potential unfitness seen by physios is an Asa Hartford situation or perhaps a weakness in a shoulder or something that may be operable or may never cause a problem? Should we get him, at a bargain price, he might be a good risk. Particularly as he grew up with us.

[Lacoste]

And we released him in favour of Church

[soggy biscuit]

And we released him in favour of Church

Happens all the time. Wenger says Arsenal gave trials to C Ronaldo and Yaya Toure and decided not to sign them. Ibrahimovic too but he apparently didn't want to continue and Arsenal left him to do what he wanted

[YateleyRoyal]

If you look at Austin's appearances and age, injury does not seem to be an issue. He's just been an almost play-every-game player for Burnley and his scoring record speaks for itself. Is it possible that any potential unfitness seen by physios is an Asa Hartford situation or perhaps a weakness in a shoulder or something that may be operable or may never cause a problem? Should we get him, at a bargain price, he might be a good risk. Particularly as he grew up with us.

Nothing to do with his shoulder. Steve Bruce said he has a dodgy knee, which is a lot worse for a footballer than a shoulder problem.

[Elm Park Pasty]

Prepare for Harry to offer £3-4M to Burnley and silly money to Austin just so he can get the player in this time without being gazumped.

[Royal Rother]

And then he'll get injured by the end of August and be out for 6 months.

[Elm Park Pasty]

And then he'll get injured by the end of August and be out for 6 months.

That or he will discard him after a few games cos h'es not 'quality' enough for Harry

[PerthPom2013]

Nottingham Forest seem to be quite confident in signing Charlie Austin this week. I had a quick look at their squad and if they somehow manage to sign Austin they would then have nine forwards/strikers available to them. What the hell is that all about???

We pretty much have one striker and another that doesn't want to play for us!

They could potentially have the following list of strikers for the beginning of the season.

Cox
Derbyshire
Henderson
Austin
Blackstock
Mackie
Miller
Paterson
Tudgay

[Avon Royal]

It's almost as if they think that a successful team needs to be able to score goals.

[Simon's Church]

GF

It's almost as if they think that a successful team needs to be able to score goals.

Did you not read the list of strikers?

[Croydon Royal]

Heard someone explain once that it is almost always really a case of failing the valuation rather than failing the medical as such.

Selling club want £10M and no lower, prospective buying club get them in and doctors say with their history of extended recovery time from injuries they can expect player x to miss a certain amount of games a season. Prospective buying club go back to selling club and explain that they will only offer £7M due to this and that they will need to be sure they have a decent reserve player to make so many appearances to cover them. Selling club say no. deal off.

Sky Sports news 'PLAYER X FAILS MEDICAL!!!!'
Internet goes into mongdown'

Cheers Soggy!!! Honestly did not know that. But given you do a survey on a house you want to buy for much less cost than this (well mine anyway ) it should not be surprising that clubs do a similar thing.

Good posts. Would also add that on similar lines insurance is a big factor - the more concerning the injury, the higher the insurance premium. Even if that injury isn't obvious to fans straight away, the clubs and medical staff know far more than fans whether a player is a long-term risk. I believe this was the case with the Bradley Wright-Phillips deal wasn't it? On the face of it he looked like a normal fit young player, and we saw after our deal collapsed that he moved to Charlton and the injury didn't immediately effect him, but we weren't willing to take the risk and had the ability to look elsewhere. As you point out with a survey on a new house it's the same with a lot of things in life - you assess all the problems and try and make a rational decision as to whether you are in the position to take a risk or not. Just because a player fails a medical doesn't mean he's completely crocked and no use to anyone - some clubs need short term fixes, others want long-term prospects. Some clubs can afford to look elsewhere, others are desperate for whoever they can get...