BFTG - Bolton (a)

[creative_username_1]

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See my previous post

[Alexander Litvinenko]

The bottom line is that *ANY* use of force must be proportionate to the threat posed. Any force which is excessive is liable to prosecution.

And it is irrelevant what has been said before - that can never be justification for force to be used.

Professional stewards should be able to respond in a professional manner, and not lose their rag and lash out even if they are provoked - if they can't do that they shouldn't be in the job, and should be prosecuted accordingly.

[RoyalBlue]

Everything Alexander says is spot on! Plus, if they were professional stewards and had nothing to hide, why are they not clearly displaying their licences and IDs? Back to the bad old days of Thatcher and the SPG!

[Royal Ginger]

Agreed with the 2 above. He may well have deserved to be kicked out, no arguments here, but the neck grab was completely unecessary and arguably illegal.

[72 bus]

Everything Alexander says is spot on! Plus, if they were professional stewards and had nothing to hide, why are they not clearly displaying their licences and IDs? Back to the bad old days of Thatcher and the SPG!

Some things to ponder here, there are no professional stewards, they are thick cunts that probably work for a cleaning company during the week.
Fans need to aware that stewards are not neutral, they most likely support the home team, therefore they do not like you and are only too happy to give you a slap if you get lippy.
The Police are on their side as are the local magistrates, therefore it is easier all round not to wind them up.

[Ian Royal]

Everything Alexander says is spot on! Plus, if they were professional stewards and had nothing to hide, why are they not clearly displaying their licences and IDs? Back to the bad old days of Thatcher and the SPG!

Some things to ponder here, there are no professional stewards, they are thick cunts that probably work for a cleaning company during the week.
Fans need to aware that stewards are not neutral, they most likely support the home team, therefore they do not like you and are only too happy to give you a slap if you get lippy.
The Police are on their side as are the local magistrates, therefore it is easier all round not to wind them up.

Yeah, terrible to wind them up by thrusting your neck forcefully into their hand.

[P!ssed Off]

The youtube video's almost hit 10,000 views now.
This kid is more popular than Joe Onyero.

[Millsy]

As someone else who did stewarding for extra student cash I can say this steward was bang out of order and that steward should quite frankly at the least lose his job, like I would/should have done if I had treated someone like this. I know because a fellow steward lost his job doing MUCH less than this, and rightly so- he was a prick.

Doesn't surprise me in Bolton though, bunch of common neanderthal northern scum.

[Millsy]

Back to the game though... What do people make of the stats? 60% possession? That's incredible. I can't remember the last time we totally dominated a game like that possession wise. But less shots by us?

What's going on - were we toothless or was it that we were just stamping our authority on the game? Or was it that their shots were largely nonsense ( as someone said earlier they had mainly long range shots) ?

[Royal91]

Back to the game though... What do people make of the stats? 60% possession? That's incredible. I can't remember the last time we totally dominated a game like that possession wise. But less shots by us?

What's going on - were we toothless or was it that we were just stamping our authority on the game? Or was it that their shots were largely nonsense ( as someone said earlier they had mainly long range shots) ?

60% is very impressive.

Like the first half against Ipswich we were slightly toothless but turned it around massively in the 2nd half. I think we will be getting more games like that for the next 5/6 games maybe. Once we get a settled striker up front (Blackman I assume) we will know what the right patterns of play are and the team will naturally gel.

If we can get 60mins of the 2nd half performance against Bolton we will easily get in the play off.

Most of Bolton's chances did come from long shots, however for me the most worrying thing defensively is quick strikers running at Pearce/Morro.

Another key thing I am looking for is how close together McCleary, Drenthe and whoever are together. Those three need work almost as a unit and let the width come from Gunter/Bridge.

[Kebe is our Messi]

The 60% possession was because of the second half, we absolutely dominated and could have won 2 matches with the chances we had in that second half. I still cant believe Le Fondre missed that chance.

Gotta say I think Drenthe is the best player we have had since sigurdsson, such a talent. Bolton could not handle him second half and instead resulted to constantly fouling him. Cant believe he isnt playing in the premier league to be honest, not that i'm complaining!

[Ian Royal]

Back to the game though... What do people make of the stats? 60% possession? That's incredible. I can't remember the last time we totally dominated a game like that possession wise. But less shots by us?

What's going on - were we toothless or was it that we were just stamping our authority on the game? Or was it that their shots were largely nonsense ( as someone said earlier they had mainly long range shots) ?

Website I've been using has it down as 50-50

http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/720128/LiveStatistics/England-Championship-2013-2014-Bolton-Reading
Some interesting stats here.

The BBC stats always seem a bit wonky if that's what you're going from. But then there are several different ways to calculate possession.

[Cureton's Volley]

The youtube video's almost hit 10,000 views now.
This kid is more popular than Joe Onyero.

It's been picked up by 101greatgoals.com and is up above 20k now

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/secret-filming-of-boltons-stewards-using-excessive-force-against-a-reading-fan/

[Royal91]

Back to the game though... What do people make of the stats? 60% possession? That's incredible. I can't remember the last time we totally dominated a game like that possession wise. But less shots by us?

What's going on - were we toothless or was it that we were just stamping our authority on the game? Or was it that their shots were largely nonsense ( as someone said earlier they had mainly long range shots) ?

Website I've been using has it down as 50-50

http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/720128/LiveStatistics/England-Championship-2013-2014-Bolton-Reading
Some interesting stats here.

The BBC stats always seem a bit wonky if that's what you're going from. But then there are several different ways to calculate possession.

Blackman with 92% pass accuracy. Must of done something right!

[Alexander Litvinenko]

Blackman with 92% pass accuracy. Must of done something right!

The problem wasn't so much passing it as winning it in the first place to be able to pass it. He looked much better in the second half, but in the first half he looked completely out of his depth.

[Ian Royal]

Back to the game though... What do people make of the stats? 60% possession? That's incredible. I can't remember the last time we totally dominated a game like that possession wise. But less shots by us?

What's going on - were we toothless or was it that we were just stamping our authority on the game? Or was it that their shots were largely nonsense ( as someone said earlier they had mainly long range shots) ?

Website I've been using has it down as 50-50

http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/720128/LiveStatistics/England-Championship-2013-2014-Bolton-Reading
Some interesting stats here.

The BBC stats always seem a bit wonky if that's what you're going from. But then there are several different ways to calculate possession.

Blackman with 92% pass accuracy. Must of done something right!

Lowest number of touches of all the starters (25), lowest number of passes of all starters (12) with no passes that were key, no through balls. 1 shot. Lost the ball (dispossessed / turnover) 8 times, more than any other starter. Offside 3 times, more than any other starter.

But at least on the odd occasion he did keep hold of the ball and pass it, it almost always found a Reading shirt, in a non-threatening position.

Fair play, he scored under quite a lot of pressure. I was shitting a brick when I heard his name as the taker. And by most accounts he improved considerably after the goal. I don't rate him, but I'm not going to get on his back at a game until he's had a fair crack of the whip.

I just think it's a bit off that ALF is picked, has a poor performance but scores and assists and is dropped, then Blackman has a poor performance but scores (a penalty - which he didn't win) and may or may not be dropped. I'd much rather have seen who ever got the slot first, be it ALF, Pog or HRK given 3 games minimum to make the position their own (barring horrendous performance), before someone else got a go. I don't like chopping and changing and it seems hard to justify keeping Blackman in when he seems to have played no better than ALF did before he was insta-dropped.

[Royal91]

First half we rarely fed it into Blackman's feet and most of the game was played in front of their back four. Once we get a settled striker in there (whoever it is) we will see a 70min performance. I personally think Le Fondre can play up front on his own because he has the best touch out of our strikers. But one thing that has always bugged me about Le Fondre is he never drops short.

Second half we played it into the feet a bit more and Blackman became more effective. I'm not sitting saying his performance was perfect but he was working off what we were feeding him. He showed good movement at times dropping in the pockets of the CB and full back. It's his first game up front against what I would regard as a top 6 team.

So who would I start against Watford. Heart says Le Fondre and my head say Blackman because he's the better long term striker.

[SpaghettiHoop]

It's Pogrebnyak's turn this Saturday.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

It's Pogrebnyak's turn this Saturday.

And it should be mine by about April .....

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

You retired cock end