by Ian Royal » 16 Sep 2013 10:32
by AirRaidSiren » 16 Sep 2013 10:34
AkpansBFFBrum Royal Sat in the East behind the disabled area, so my views on the two fouls are thus:
1st booking
Running away from us, other side of the pitch so not the clearest of views for me, however, it looked a foul and on the basis of what the ref was issuing other yellows for, was a booking
I haven't seen this one again, so happy to be proved wrong on this one.
2nd booking
Right in front of us, plus saw a brief clip of the incident from the Sky coverage at HT on someone's phone.
I didn't see the arm/shirt pull. From what I saw, Pog tried to spin the two defenders, got a clip across the shin (foul), but recovered his footing, got free of the men (slightly) then threw himself (dive).
On the basis of that, I felt the referee was correct to book him for diving. However, having already been on a yellow, I would have suggested it should have been a final warning for most refs.
Brighton Red
Foot high, round Pearce's face. Given what yellow cards were being dished out for, 100% correct.
Some of the other yellows seemed very harsh, but I think these three were pretty much correct, based on (as Jason Roberts said in his post match interview) "how high the bar was set". I intend to watch the incidents on the recording tonight.
I watched the replays and if you think about it from what you said pog did get slightly clipped but went down late (I agree completely) but for his first yellow their player was slightly clipped by pog but went down late, so on one end the refs saying you caught him heres a yellow but then saying you went down too late heres a second yellow. Both incidents in context are the same and the ref hasnt stuck to his first judgement for the second.
Just watched the replay on SSN and from a different angle it shows he had his arm pulled the whole time too.
by P!ssed Off » 16 Sep 2013 10:40
by Schards#2 » 16 Sep 2013 10:50
Who Moved The Goalposts?Schards#2Woodcote Royal Releasing Noel Hunt and keeping this joker simply beggars belief, as does Schard's view that Pog is more likely to score than the "anonymous" Alf, who already has 3 goals in this campaign................................but, there again, this the man who always insisted the sun shone from Nicky Forster's backside
Any club looking for a player who knows 10 different ways to dive or fall over will pay a fortune for POG......................and I doubt any expense is being spared at the Madstad in their search for such a rare beast
I'm not even going to go there with the Forster stuff however, Woodcote is right about releasing Noel Hunt being a poor decision and I did say this at the time
- championship standard forward
- always gives 100%
- not on extortionate wages I would presume
- loves the club
- wouldn't bitch if not a first team starter
Ideal as cover for injuries/loss of form/ballsed up transfer windows
Should never have let him go
Well yes, but all very easy to say in hindsight. Adkins would have been told that funding his choice of striker(s) was no problem and maybe the club had a few lined up. Why they didn't materialise is open to debate, but the plan to bring in a new, younger face on a long-term contract rather than be forced to offer anything more than a year to Hunt was - on paper at least - a sound one.
by RoyalBlue » 16 Sep 2013 11:00
AirRaidSirenAkpansBFFBrum Royal Sat in the East behind the disabled area, so my views on the two fouls are thus:
1st booking
Running away from us, other side of the pitch so not the clearest of views for me, however, it looked a foul and on the basis of what the ref was issuing other yellows for, was a booking
I haven't seen this one again, so happy to be proved wrong on this one.
2nd booking
Right in front of us, plus saw a brief clip of the incident from the Sky coverage at HT on someone's phone.
I didn't see the arm/shirt pull. From what I saw, Pog tried to spin the two defenders, got a clip across the shin (foul), but recovered his footing, got free of the men (slightly) then threw himself (dive).
On the basis of that, I felt the referee was correct to book him for diving. However, having already been on a yellow, I would have suggested it should have been a final warning for most refs.
Brighton Red
Foot high, round Pearce's face. Given what yellow cards were being dished out for, 100% correct.
Some of the other yellows seemed very harsh, but I think these three were pretty much correct, based on (as Jason Roberts said in his post match interview) "how high the bar was set". I intend to watch the incidents on the recording tonight.
I watched the replays and if you think about it from what you said pog did get slightly clipped but went down late (I agree completely) but for his first yellow their player was slightly clipped by pog but went down late, so on one end the refs saying you caught him heres a yellow but then saying you went down too late heres a second yellow. Both incidents in context are the same and the ref hasnt stuck to his first judgement for the second.
Just watched the replay on SSN and from a different angle it shows he had his arm pulled the whole time too.
Unfortunately, the ref does not have SSN coverage on him on the field of play. From where the referee was positioned on each occasion, he had no other choice than to give a yellow for both incidents. Pog acted a bellend for his second and deserved his red. He was also 100% correct on their sending off. The ref has had some bashing on some threads but I thought overall, he did fairly well, especially with the yellow cards for Pog, Pearce and Guthrie.
Whether SSN showed Pog was being pulled or not, it equals itself out with Pearce being all over Ulloa on many occasions. Ref 7/10 rating
by Who Moved The Goalposts? » 16 Sep 2013 11:58
Schards#2
Well yes, but all very easy to say in hindsight. Adkins would have been told that funding his choice of striker(s) was no problem and maybe the club had a few lined up. Why they didn't materialise is open to debate, but the plan to bring in a new, younger face on a long-term contract rather than be forced to offer anything more than a year to Hunt was - on paper at least - a sound one.
This comes under "ballsed up transfer windows"
by melonhead » 16 Sep 2013 12:01
schards Well yes, but all very easy to say in hindsight. Adkins would have been told that funding his choice of striker(s) was no problem
and maybe the club had a few lined up. Why they didn't materialise is open to debate, but the plan to bring in a new, younger face on a long-term contract rather than be forced to offer anything more than a year to Hunt was - on paper at least - a sound one.
by melonhead » 16 Sep 2013 12:01
littlejohnnyoster other than his stupid antics, pog looked keen, really up for it and exactly what we need ie a player who can and will hold the play up and piss off defenders. Alf was completely anonymous, whreas Pog spent the first 20 mins causing problems. Stupid behaviour for his card but i still think he can sort him self out and provide for us.
Agree too that no-one is ever second yellowed for a dive outside the box and when guthrie/ lualua did similar pathetic tumbles the ref turned a blind eye.
by Woodcote Royal » 16 Sep 2013 12:12
Schards#2Woodcote Royal Releasing Noel Hunt and keeping this joker simply beggars belief, as does Schard's view that Pog is more likely to score than the "anonymous" Alf, who already has 3 goals in this campaign................................but, there again, this the man who always insisted the sun shone from Nicky Forster's backside
Any club looking for a player who knows 10 different ways to dive or fall over will pay a fortune for POG......................and I doubt any expense is being spared at the Madstad in their search for such a rare beast
I'm not even going to go there with the Forster stuff however, Woodcote is right about releasing Noel Hunt being a poor decision and I did say this at the time
- championship standard forward
- always gives 100%
- not on extortionate wages I would presume
- loves the club
- wouldn't bitch if not a first team starter
Ideal as cover for injuries/loss of form/ballsed up transfer windows
Should never have let him go
by RoyalBlue » 16 Sep 2013 12:15
Phil McNulty
Chief football writer - The calls for greater punishment for diving are growing after Ashley Young's yellow card against Crystal Palace. It is, however, a notoriously difficult offence for a referee to call instantly and correctly in the high tempo of a match unless it is an open-and-shut case, as with Young. There may be a stronger case for inflicting increased retrospective punishment on the offender when it is an obvious dive, as Young's was.
by Woodcote Royal » 16 Sep 2013 12:24
by melonhead » 16 Sep 2013 12:41
Woodcote Royal For once in a month of Sundays,1. I thought the ref had a decent game.
2. POG spends more time looking for fouls by falling over/diving than trying to do justify his place by scoring goals (even one a month would be a huge improvement on his current form )
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by RoyalBlue » 16 Sep 2013 12:47
Woodcote Royal For once in a month of Sundays, I thought the ref had a decent game.
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by melonhead » 16 Sep 2013 12:48
by Magic Hat » 16 Sep 2013 13:17
by Woodcote Royal » 16 Sep 2013 13:29
RoyalBlueWoodcote Royal For once in a month of Sundays, I thought the ref had a decent game.
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In which case you ought to become an FA assessor because they don't seem to have much clue either!
Leaving aside the wrongly issued card for Pog - under the laws of the game you can't be guilty of simulation if you are actually fouled - he completely destroyed the game from both sides' point of view. Throwing cards around like confetti, utterly pernickety during first half re placement of ball, slightly rolling ball etc. whilst completely the opposite in the second half, repeatedly inconsistent re view and treatment of offences (for both teams) and so on.
Apparently this guy is averaging a red card per game so far this season. That is way over the average and far more than you would normally expect. Given that he has now been in charge of something like 8 games, has he just been unlucky and ended up with 8 really hard to manage contests between troublesome games or does it say something about his lack of ability to properly oversee games?
A pretty easy answer to that, I would suggest.
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