#AskJason

[peterroyal76]

Andy Cole gave up on his badges without completing them as he thought he wouldn't be offered a job. Good to see a positive attitude.

[Royal Lady]

Thanks for that I'd never seen those examples before. That's fair enough, if that's what he's basing his comments on. TBF, I'm not giving him stick as such, just questioning whether sometimes he might go over the top a bit. Still think those who sent in pathetic questions to #AskJason are the ones who should be getting flak, rather than me for my comments though.

Aye, it's not like you insisted JR was screaming non-stop absolutes from atop a plinth, then attempted to deflect criticism of said ridiculous strawman argument with the one times table.

I have no idea what you're blathering on about.

[Lacoste]

Looks like the PC brigade have won in here.

They would have been destroyed by the propaganda of WW2, luckily, some of us are man (or woman RL) enough to speak our minds and not what 2013 UK wants us to say.

The problem with that is that you have a retarded mind.

Sandman

Location: If there is one thing I can't stand it is f*cking soccer and I hate when people do it around me

[Pseud O'Nym]

Aye, it's not like you insisted JR was screaming non-stop absolutes from atop a plinth, then attempted to deflect criticism of said ridiculous strawman argument with the one times table.

I have no idea what you're blathering on about.

I think he's confused you with a Sex Whale tbh.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Aye, it's not like you insisted JR was screaming non-stop absolutes from atop a plinth, then attempted to deflect criticism of said ridiculous strawman argument with the one times table.

I have no idea what you're blathering on about.

I think he's confused you with a Sex Whale tbh.

It was a no sarcismo, "you have not been as bad as..." compliment.

[southbank1871]

Looks like the PC brigade have won in here.

They would have been destroyed by the propaganda of WW2, luckily, some of us are man (or woman RL) enough to speak our minds and not what 2013 UK wants us to say.

Bless.

[The Rouge]

Looks like the PC brigade have won in here.

They would have been destroyed by the propaganda of WW2, luckily, some of us are man (or woman RL) enough to speak our minds and not what 2013 UK wants us to say.

[melonhead]

Interesting article from Barnes, can't fault the intent even if I don't agree exactly with everything he says.

The problem I have with Roberts (on this subject), is he pushes his criticisms to highlight racism with little regard to the context and seems to deliberately ignore any attempts to actually open a serious dialogue on that context. And I do think that his pushing of things that are clearly not racist undermines him as a spokesman on the subject, because makes it look trivial or crying wolf. And that's damaging to the campaign against racism and the work of groups like 'kick it out' and 'show racism the red card'.

You need those campaigning in the public eye to make sure that they only push robust arguments and actively enter into the debate seriously. Otherwise it only helps people ignore it as not the problem they claim. I've no doubt that Roberts and his family have suffered horrible racist abuse. And the reactions of those idiots on twitter is only going to reinforce his view about racism and how he should speak out about everything that could be even vaguely construed as racism through one eye, rather than take a more constructive approach.

should you try and negotiate the levels of racism down to compromise levels, or just say its never acceptable.
if anything i lean towards the latter

I agree, but you need to be fighting clear battles where possible. And it's difficult to imagine a world without any degree of racism. So fight the fight you can win. Also, that doesn't take into account labelling things that aren't racist, as racist.

its easy if you try.


hes just asking the questions. and theyre valid. and it seems we really need to get to the bottom of the questions he asks, so its good he asks them.
will the answer be- they dont get the jobs cos the people in charge are racist, maybe not. but the disconnect between coaches taking badges and getting jobs does need looking at. imo.


agree totally that he did more damage than good with his comments on monkeyg8 though

[Joe 90]

Hope Powell.

[Extended-Phenotype]

its easy if you try.


hes just asking the questions. and theyre valid. and it seems we really need to get to the bottom of the questions he asks, so its good he asks them.
will the answer be- they dont get the jobs cos the people in charge are racist, maybe not. but the disconnect between coaches taking badges and getting jobs does need looking at. imo.


agree totally that he did more damage than good with his comments on monkeyg8 though

Only for people who were already looking for a pass to bash the man.

For anyone with a degree of intelligence it changes f/ck all - he just made a call and got it arguably wrong.

As a reminder, he was merely pointing out that calling someone of mixed race a "monkey" was poor judgement. Perhaps JR was over-sensitive, perhaps his reaction was rash when it clearly had no association with race. But IF the term does offend some black people, racial context or not, I don't understand why he should be castigated for bringing it up.

If I was called a monkey throughout my childhood as part of a campaign of terror, maybe I would flinch when I was called it innocently later in life?

We can be understanding and disagree at the same time.

[melonhead]

agreed.


i just thought the anecdote wasnt racist, the monkeys were the superior beings in the set up as was townsend in the analogy.
it wasnt intended to be racist, or to offend anyone.
no one there was offended.


i understand why a black man may be slightly more sensitive about it than i though

[Extended-Phenotype]

agreed.


i just thought the anecdote wasnt racist, the monkeys were the superior beings in the set up as was townsend in the analogy.
it wasnt intended to be racist, or to offend anyone.
no one there was offended.


i understand why a black man may be slightly more sensitive about it than i though

Aye, that's what I said - the context wasn't racist but the word used to refer to a person of mixed race, COULD be offensive: as was JR's point.

I don't disagree that a person might be over-sensitive if they WERE offended, just that I could understand why it might be and don't really see it a cardinal sin to mention it.

[Pseud O'Nym]

I have no idea what you're blathering on about.

I think he's confused you with a Sex Whale tbh.

It was a no sarcismo, "you have not been as bad as..." compliment.

Oh, so I suppose you think I should actually try reading posts before I respond to them?

[Extended-Phenotype]

Oh, so I suppose you think I should actually try reading posts before I respond to them?

Not always particularly valuable on HNA, admittedly.

[Royal Biscuitman]

He's a nob. I know him IRL.

Jason Roberts?

[melonhead]

agreed.


i just thought the anecdote wasnt racist, the monkeys were the superior beings in the set up as was townsend in the analogy.
it wasnt intended to be racist, or to offend anyone.
no one there was offended.


i understand why a black man may be slightly more sensitive about it than i though

Aye, that's what I said - the context wasn't racist but the word used to refer to a person of mixed race, COULD be offensive: as was JR's point.

I don't disagree that a person might be over-sensitive if they WERE offended, just that I could understand why it might be and don't really see it a cardinal sin to mention it.

could be but clearly wasnt....

[Extended-Phenotype]

Dunno. I've seen a flinch when I've called a black dude a cheeky monkey.

Again, not commenting on whether bloke was being over-sensitive, just pointing out that it can jar.

Arguably, my Gramps isn't meaning offence when he "abbreviates" Pakistani but I'd advise him to refrain as the abbreviation does indeed stir alarm whether he intended it or not.

[melonhead]

fair point


my gran wouldnt have meant offence when calling brown wool n***** wool either i suppose

[Extended-Phenotype]

fair point


my gran wouldnt have meant offence when calling brown wool n***** wool either i suppose

No, it was when she put in on her head and sang 'Brown Girl In The Ring' she really got people's backs up.

[peterroyal76]

Dunno. I've seen a flinch when I've called a black dude a cheeky monkey.

Again, not commenting on whether bloke was being over-sensitive, just pointing out that it can jar.

Arguably, my Gramps isn't meaning offence when he "abbreviates" Pakistani but I'd advise him to refrain as the abbreviation does indeed stir alarm whether he intended it or not.

When the Aussies talk about playing the Pakistan cricket team, they always use the 'abbreviation'. I don't think they mean any offence.