by Agent Balti » 03 Feb 2014 18:26
by Victor Meldrew » 03 Feb 2014 19:57
VisionExtended-PhenotypeAgent Balti But for arguments sake we do go up (with new owners to boot) they have such a short window of opportunity to change things. Are we not at risk of doing a half-arsed job (some may say "again") of being prepared to go up? The new owners could want to bring in their own manager and screw things up completely.
I don't see the lure of going up ill-prepared, making stupid signings, get humiliated week in week out and come right back down again...albeit with parachute payments. Sure, I get that the players would want to get promoted and will play to that effect. If the takeover doesn't happen AFTER we've been promoted...Then the squad would be altered radically with no time to gel, for us to get turned over, leading to the squad being wrecked again and be where we were at the start of this season. No ta.
If we stay as we are, we can build next year, be a lot more solid on what our goals are (currently, we are winging it, let's face it.) And have a genuine solid plan on how we want to proceed. Crossing our fingers, hoping we go up with no strategy, as we are now, is a crap scenario.
It's my reckoning that going up, you get a few decent players in who are then more likely to stick about if you go down, at least for a season to see if they can bump you back up again. In the meantime, you will be a healthy club to join, bit of 'chute money to spend on new players or on existing players wages to keep 'em about, recent prem history to boast of and ambition to return. Promotion is like two steps forward and relegation is one step back - each yo-yo an improvement.
Yet if you fail that bounce, good players get itchier and want out, not willing to waste another season out of the top flight. Operating with less money, you are less likely to be able to keep the good ones or afford decent new ones. Top flight a more distant memory, the club drops from the radar a little more, ambition is questioned, quality is in doubt - not as an attractive prospect any more. Other teams with 'chute money come down and are the new big fish in the small pond. Becomes harder to challenge. Takes more of a miracle/fluke/lucky season/lucky signing(s) to get anywhere. Foot off the gass, the opportunity of reputation, position and wealth well and truly missed.
I'm not sure how you are supposed to sensibly build over time above and beyond a threshold of quality. In my mind, you are more likely to build a decent side bouncing up and down than treading water.
I'd agree with a lot of that. Whilst I'm no fan of the whole Premier league circus to suggest there's somehow a bad time to get promoted is a little odd. Football is far more "instant" these days and the opportunity to actually build something with the nucleus of the same players over time (as we did to 05/06) is harder than ever.
That said, rather conversely the reason I think promotion can only be a good thing is because we don't really push the boat out too far when we get there thus avoiding the absolutel panic and heebeegeebees that other relegated clubs suffer.
by Extended-Phenotype » 03 Feb 2014 20:12
Agent Balti Only in that our style of play is no different than we went up the last time...and look how that turned out? Granted, it sounds like picking and choosing but we've been playing akin to dogshit until recently and we're still in the play-offs, so I don't think it's as impossible as it sounds.
That gravy train is only good if we can stay there and sustain, otherwise it's just turmoil...and we're in turmoil off the field already.
I dunno, as I said earlier, if it happened then cool...but I don't think we're ready in most aspects.
by Pepe the Horseman » 03 Feb 2014 20:25
by Terminal Boardom » 03 Feb 2014 20:30
Agent Balti Only in that our style of play is no different than we went up the last time...and look how that turned out? Granted, it sounds like picking and choosing but we've been playing akin to dogshit until recently and we're still in the play-offs, so I don't think it's as impossible as it sounds.
That gravy train is only good if we can stay there and sustain, otherwise it's just turmoil...and we're in turmoil off the field already.
I dunno, as I said earlier, if it happened then cool...but I don't think we're ready in most aspects.
by Ouroboros » 03 Feb 2014 21:03
by bcubed » 03 Feb 2014 21:39
Maguire Absolute madness to claim it's better not to get promoted. It's so hard to go up that the very idea of picking and choosing when to do so is lolable.
And in what possible way would it be bad? That we get a few beating when we're up there? Boo hoo.
Get promoted ASAP and get on that Premier Legaue gravy train - will make a huge difference to the status of the club.
by Agent Balti » 03 Feb 2014 21:42
Pepe the Horseman Why don't you look at me the way you look at him?
by Harpers So Solid Crew » 04 Feb 2014 05:34
SPARTA If SJM is still here and the club isn't sold by summer then there will most definitely be a sale of 3-4 high earners. SJM followed the same template when we were relegated from the PL the last time. Keep the squad together at an expense and hope we go back up. If we don't, sell to balance the books. It wont be Zingarevich's fault we sell; it'll be the sensible decision!
It may even happen with new owners.
by Hoop Blah » 04 Feb 2014 09:31
Extended-PhenotypeAgent Balti Only in that our style of play is no different than we went up the last time...and look how that turned out? Granted, it sounds like picking and choosing but we've been playing akin to dogshit until recently and we're still in the play-offs, so I don't think it's as impossible as it sounds.
That gravy train is only good if we can stay there and sustain, otherwise it's just turmoil...and we're in turmoil off the field already.
I dunno, as I said earlier, if it happened then cool...but I don't think we're ready in most aspects.
You don't have to stay there to benefit from promotion. Like I said, promotion & immediate relegation is better for the club than no promotion at all.
But you are yummy looking so I don't want to disagree with you that much.
by SPARTA » 04 Feb 2014 09:37
Harpers So Solid CrewSPARTA If SJM is still here and the club isn't sold by summer then there will most definitely be a sale of 3-4 high earners. SJM followed the same template when we were relegated from the PL the last time. Keep the squad together at an expense and hope we go back up. If we don't, sell to balance the books. It wont be Zingarevich's fault we sell; it'll be the sensible decision!
It may even happen with new owners.
However some of those players Hunt and Doyle for sure only stayed as SC remained as manager for that season. This time no one wanted our high earners, Pog etc.
by Royalwaster » 04 Feb 2014 09:56
by maffff » 04 Feb 2014 10:15
by Mr Angry » 04 Feb 2014 10:32
Royalwaster What's this got to with the topic of 'buyout''?
by Harpers So Solid Crew » 04 Feb 2014 15:23
by Ian Royal » 04 Feb 2014 19:30
by AthleticoSpizz » 04 Feb 2014 19:37
no change there then.Ian Royal Rumour mill in the 'bridge that the delay's because the Omani's want it part of the deal that there'll be no booze sold in the stadium. While the yanks want to enforce ad breaks every 15 minutes for McDonalds, Budweiser and Slendertone.
This is where the third interested party in the Chinese has come in with a better deal. They're offering a cost saving initiative that reduces repeat hooliganism by taking anyone ejected by the stewards and using them for the hotdog meat. Interestingly they're selling it to STAR as an improvement in overall food quality and hygeine. STAR are obviously right behind this new bid because the Chinese have actually spoken to them.
Unfortunately this has set back negtiations somewhat.
Howzat?
by loyalroyaldaz » 05 Feb 2014 07:08
by windermere_royal » 05 Feb 2014 07:27
by Uke » 05 Feb 2014 08:16
loyalroyaldaz WTF is going on? Three bidders and Zilch......
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