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Re: Buyout

by under the tin » 01 Apr 2014 09:29

loyalroyaldaz So if we assume all this is fact then we have to sell a good two or three top earners at least.
Who do you think that should be ? Do we go straight for the best players or maybe a few more of the lesser lights?
The obvious ones would be Pog, Drenthe, Guthrie and possibly Macarthey and i think we could probably cope with that.
If that lot go and we start getting into the McCleary's, Gunters, Alfie, Williams then we are fcuked i reckon....
Maybe we should just sell the lot and promote the U21's and U18's who seem to be doing so well at the moment.


The rather worrying snag with the fire sale of the high earners scenario is getting another club to take them off our hands.
TBH, I think that (relatively) young players like Gunts and GMac will attract bidders, however.....

Bridge - on big wages, getting on a bit, made of glass.
Guthrie - on big wages, but was not a "stand out" midfield maestro in the prem. Has dropped down to Champ level, but still hasn't shone.
Pogrebnyak - As Guthrie, but as a forward. Out scored two seasons running by a signing from Rotherham who gets less pitch time.
Drenthe - An enigma that struggles with fitness levels. A gamble for any club.
McCarthy - A good young keeper whose future looked very bright, but the weakness in his game has been brutally exposed by the playing style imposed by the manager.
Prem sides who like to play it out from the back will not be able to find a barge pole long enough.

We could well finish up with a Birmingham/Zigic scenario, being forced to sell our Obita's and MacAnuffs just to raise the money to fund the bloated contracts of some of the over rated turkeys mentioned above.
When Portsmouth very nearly went out of existence, the local paper down there named and shamed the footballers who had been offloaded, but despite continuing to earn tidy money at other clubs, had demanded that they be paid up in full. Kitson was amongst them. They viewed their wages more important than the survival of a City's famous old football club. F8ck the fans.

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Re: Buyout

by ZacNaloen » 01 Apr 2014 09:30

Bridge is only on a 1 year contract thankfully

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Re: Buyout

by sandman » 01 Apr 2014 09:38

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loyalroyaldaz So if we assume all this is fact then we have to sell a good two or three top earners at least.
Who do you think that should be ? Do we go straight for the best players or maybe a few more of the lesser lights?
The obvious ones would be Pog, Drenthe, Guthrie and possibly Macarthey and i think we could probably cope with that.
If that lot go and we start getting into the McCleary's, Gunters, Alfie, Williams then we are fcuked i reckon....
Maybe we should just sell the lot and promote the U21's and U18's who seem to be doing so well at the moment.


The rather worrying snag with the fire sale of the high earners scenario is getting another club to take them off our hands.
TBH, I think that (relatively) young players like Gunts and GMac will attract bidders, however.....

Bridge - on big wages, getting on a bit, made of glass.
Guthrie - on big wages, but was not a "stand out" midfield maestro in the prem. Has dropped down to Champ level, but still hasn't shone.
Pogrebnyak - As Guthrie, but as a forward. Out scored two seasons running by a signing from Rotherham who gets less pitch time.
Drenthe - An enigma that struggles with fitness levels. A gamble for any club.
McCarthy - A good young keeper whose future looked very bright, but the weakness in his game has been brutally exposed by the playing style imposed by the manager.
Prem sides who like to play it out from the back will not be able to find a barge pole long enough.

We could well finish up with a Birmingham/Zigic scenario, being forced to sell our Obita's and MacAnuffs just to raise the money to fund the bloated contracts of some of the over rated turkeys mentioned above.
When Portsmouth very nearly went out of existence, the local paper down there named and shamed the footballers who had been offloaded, but despite continuing to earn tidy money at other clubs, had demanded that they be paid up in full. Kitson was amongst them. They viewed their wages more important than the survival of a City's famous old football club. F8ck the fans.


Well we know the one you mentioned viewed his family as more important than "a city's famous old football club".

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Re: Buyout

by melonhead » 01 Apr 2014 10:39

loyalroyaldaz So if we assume all this is fact then we have to sell a good two or three top earners at least.
Who do you think that should be ? Do we go straight for the best players or maybe a few more of the lesser lights?
The obvious ones would be Pog, Drenthe, Guthrie and possibly Macarthey and i think we could probably cope with that.
If that lot go and we start getting into the McCleary's, Gunters, Alfie, Williams then we are fcuked i reckon....
Maybe we should just sell the lot and promote the U21's and U18's who seem to be doing so well at the moment.



POG DRENTHE GUTHRIE LEDGE ALF OUT

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Re: Buyout

by maffff » 01 Apr 2014 10:45

JRob, Taylor, Taylor, Bridge.

I hope we can keep McAnuff and to a slightly lesser extent Gorkss.


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Re: Buyout

by Royal Lady » 01 Apr 2014 10:47

Ledge, Feds, Bridge, Blackman, Gorkks could all go tomorrow as far as I'm concerned. The others, not listed, below, could go also at end of season.

I'd want to try and keep Pog, Guthrie, Williams, Morro, McCarthy, McCleary , Hector and Obita and build the team around them - using U21s or bringing in lower league players who would fight for their place in a Championship team and want to make a name for themselves.

If we could keep Drenthe I would, but I think we need the money more than we need the player unfortunately.

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Re: Buyout

by Maguire » 01 Apr 2014 11:07

Drenthe, Pogrebnyak, Guthrie, and Bridge must all be on some serious wedge.

Get shot of them and you're saving quite a few million/yr off the wage bill

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Re: Buyout

by andrew1957 » 01 Apr 2014 11:11

If the wage bill is anything near 36M a year that is catastrophic and if we fail to either be promoted or to find a new owner soon then I fully expect all the out of contact players to be released at the end of season (goodbye to Legs, Gorkks, Roberts, McAnuff, both Taylors and Bridge). Then I would expect the remaining squad members to be put up for sale and it will be pot luck who goes. Could see us losing our better players such as ALF, McCleary, Gunter, Obita and McCarthy.

Most likely we will end up with Pog, Guthrie, Cummings, Federici, Williams, Karacan, Morrison, Akpan, HRK, Pearce, Kelly and Blackman as it is unlikely any of these could be sold, plus the youngsters.

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Re: Buyout

by SCIAG » 01 Apr 2014 11:25

I think if we put the whole squad up for sale, we would find it much easier to sell Guthrie (who is a proven Premier League player with us and Newcastle) than it would be to sell Gunter (who has twice failed at the highest level) or Obita (who has hardly set the world alight so far).

I also think we'd have little trouble "getting rid" of Pogrebnyak, unless he is unwilling to leave. He's probably worth about £5m, if we gave him away for free then his new club would essentially be getting two years' wages free.


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Re: Buyout

by Wycombe Royal » 01 Apr 2014 11:59

SCIAG I also think we'd have little trouble "getting rid" of Pogrebnyak, unless he is unwilling to leave. He's probably worth about £5m, if we gave him away for free then his new club would essentially be getting two years' wages free.

Pogrebnyak is not going to walk away from the lucrative contract he has here and no other club is going to pay him the same amount. So we either keep him and keep paying his wages, or we sell him for a low transfer fee and still have to keep paying him a fairly large portion of his wages (the difference between what his new club would pay and what he would have got with us) for the next two years.

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Re: Buyout

by melonhead » 01 Apr 2014 12:12

still needs doing unless a buyer is imminent

get shot of all teh expensive dross.
build a team around teh yoof, and take the risk we may go down to come back up

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Re: Buyout

by Norfolk Royal » 01 Apr 2014 12:55

SCIAG I think if we put the whole squad up for sale, we would find it much easier to sell Guthrie (who is a proven Premier League player with us and Newcastle) than it would be to sell Gunter (who has twice failed at the highest level) or Obita (who has hardly set the world alight so far).

I also think we'd have little trouble "getting rid" of Pogrebnyak, unless he is unwilling to leave. He's probably worth about £5m, if we gave him away for free then his new club would essentially be getting two years' wages free.


Lol at Pog being worth £5-million.

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Re: Buyout

by genome » 01 Apr 2014 13:12

under the tin F8ck


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Re: Buyout

by Terminal Boardom » 01 Apr 2014 13:29

melonhead still needs doing unless a buyer is imminent

get shot of all teh expensive dross.
build a team around teh yoof, and take the risk we may go down to come back up


Which if that had been the level of expectation when BR took over, who knows how things would have panned out. What is so different this year compared to 2008/09 was that first time around we were in with a shout of automatic promotion until the final game of the season. This time around that isn't going to happen and even a play off place is not guaranteed.

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Re: Buyout

by Handsome Man » 01 Apr 2014 13:40

loyalroyaldaz So if we assume all this is fact then we have to sell a good two or three top earners at least.
Who do you think that should be ? Do we go straight for the best players or maybe a few more of the lesser lights?
The obvious ones would be Pog, Drenthe, Guthrie and possibly Macarthey and i think we could probably cope with that.
If that lot go and we start getting into the McCleary's, Gunters, Alfie, Williams then we are fcuked i reckon....
Maybe we should just sell the lot and promote the U21's and U18's who seem to be doing so well at the moment.



Our problem is what to do with the hopeless players who have massive wages:
Pay off Pog for as little as we can manage - perhaps get a Russian team to contribute half his wages?
Try to get a season long loan for Guthrie?
Try to get Drenthe off the books by any means possible - disciplinary procedures for being overweight?

We then have players with some worth on massive wages to deal with:
Get a nominal fee for Williams
Give Federici a free transfer
Get £2 million for LeFondre

If we can do this, then we have a chance to hold onto performing players with potential: Obita, Gunter, McCleary, etc and still put out a half-decent team next year. If all we have next year are Pogrebnyak, Drenthe and a load of kids we are stuffed.

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Re: Buyout

by melonhead » 01 Apr 2014 14:00

Terminal Boardom
melonhead still needs doing unless a buyer is imminent

get shot of all teh expensive dross.
build a team around teh yoof, and take the risk we may go down to come back up


Which if that had been the level of expectation when BR took over, who knows how things would have panned out. What is so different this year compared to 2008/09 was that first time around we were in with a shout of automatic promotion until the final game of the season. This time around that isn't going to happen and even a play off place is not guaranteed.



worse players, no owner, even less money to spend

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Re: Buyout

by melonhead » 01 Apr 2014 14:01

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loyalroyaldaz So if we assume all this is fact then we have to sell a good two or three top earners at least.
Who do you think that should be ? Do we go straight for the best players or maybe a few more of the lesser lights?
The obvious ones would be Pog, Drenthe, Guthrie and possibly Macarthey and i think we could probably cope with that.
If that lot go and we start getting into the McCleary's, Gunters, Alfie, Williams then we are fcuked i reckon....
Maybe we should just sell the lot and promote the U21's and U18's who seem to be doing so well at the moment.



Our problem is what to do with the hopeless players who have massive wages:
Pay off Pog for as little as we can manage - perhaps get a Russian team to contribute half his wages?
Try to get a season long loan for Guthrie?
Try to get Drenthe off the books by any means possible - disciplinary procedures for being overweight?

We then have players with some worth on massive wages to deal with:
Get a nominal fee for Williams
Give Federici a free transfer
Get £2 million for LeFondre

If we can do this, then we have a chance to hold onto performing players with potential: Obita, Gunter, McCleary, etc and still put out a half-decent team next year. If all we have next year are Pogrebnyak, Drenthe and a load of kids we are stuffed.


keep williams

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Re: Buyout

by Extended-Phenotype » 01 Apr 2014 14:17

Build the f/cking team around Williams.

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Re: Buyout

by melonhead » 01 Apr 2014 14:36

yeah that^^^^^^^^^^



ok so maybe you arent EVERTHING thats wrong with modern football.

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Re: Buyout

by Extended-Phenotype » 01 Apr 2014 14:52

melonhead yeah that^^^^^^^^^^



ok so maybe you arent EVERTHING thats wrong with modern football.


No, I am. The last thing football wants is an audience that has the intelligence and enough of a life to stop watching when it's bollocks.

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