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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by Lower West » 09 Apr 2014 21:55

Royal Lady Unless Pog, Guthrie and Drenthe are out of contract at end of season, or are willing to take a big pay cut - they won't WANT to move on and there won't be anything we can do about it. I'd keep Guthrie tbf, but whatever wages Pog is on, apparently, I'm an idiot to think he's on £60k a week, and same with Drenthe, I can't see another team anywhere in the world paying the same.


If they are still around then leave them out. With little money rebuild with youth , free transfers and players who want to wear the shirt.

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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by SCIAG » 09 Apr 2014 21:58

Schards#2 Mcdermott's team dug out results with the likes of Mullins, Czwfka (sp?) and Afobe playing,

I don't think Cywka ever started a match, and from memory Afobe only started one (when Roberts had a knock). Agreed about it being impressive to win with Hayden Mullins in the team, but Adkins' side has won with Hope Akpan in the team.

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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by Unbelievable Jeff » 09 Apr 2014 22:16

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Schards#2 Mcdermott's team dug out results with the likes of Mullins, Czwfka (sp?) and Afobe playing,

I don't think Cywka ever started a match, and from memory Afobe only started one (when Roberts had a knock). Agreed about it being impressive to win with Hayden Mullins in the team, but Adkins' side has won with Hope Akpan in the team.



could be wrong but didn't Cywka start at Brighton Away, the Ian Harte free kick game?

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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by SCIAG » 09 Apr 2014 22:52

Just checked soccerbase and you're right! I stand corrected.

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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by sandman » 10 Apr 2014 05:09

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Schards#2 Mcdermott's team dug out results with the likes of Mullins, Czwfka (sp?) and Afobe playing,

I don't think Cywka ever started a match, and from memory Afobe only started one (when Roberts had a knock). Agreed about it being impressive to win with Hayden Mullins in the team, but Adkins' side has won with Hope Akpan in the team.

:roll: at the last bit.


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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by Avon Royal » 10 Apr 2014 07:22

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Royal Lady Unless Pog, Guthrie and Drenthe are out of contract at end of season, or are willing to take a big pay cut - they won't WANT to move on and there won't be anything we can do about it. I'd keep Guthrie tbf, but whatever wages Pog is on, apparently, I'm an idiot to think he's on £60k a week, and same with Drenthe, I can't see another team anywhere in the world paying the same.


If they are still around then leave them out. With little money rebuild with youth , free transfers and players who want to wear the shirt.


A sure fire way of going into free fall.

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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by Ginger Ninjas » 10 Apr 2014 08:40

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Schards#2 Mcdermott's team dug out results with the likes of Mullins, Czwfka (sp?) and Afobe playing,

I don't think Cywka ever started a match, and from memory Afobe only started one (when Roberts had a knock). Agreed about it being impressive to win with Hayden Mullins in the team, but Adkins' side has won with Hope Akpan in the team.

:roll: at the last bit.


Mullins > Akpan

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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by sandman » 10 Apr 2014 08:46

If Akpan was a 22 year old we'd produced from the academy he'd get nowhere near the stick he gets. However, because he's a 22 year old signed during that transfer window it doesn't look like he's going to catch a break from certain people.

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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by Bandini » 10 Apr 2014 08:55

sandman If Akpan was a 22 year old we'd produced from the academy he'd get nowhere near the stick he gets. However, because he's a 22 year old signed during that transfer window it doesn't look like he's going to catch a break from certain people.


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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by Wycombe Royal » 10 Apr 2014 09:51

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Royal Lady Unless Pog, Guthrie and Drenthe are out of contract at end of season, or are willing to take a big pay cut - they won't WANT to move on and there won't be anything we can do about it. I'd keep Guthrie tbf, but whatever wages Pog is on, apparently, I'm an idiot to think he's on £60k a week, and same with Drenthe, I can't see another team anywhere in the world paying the same.


If they are still around then leave them out. With little money rebuild with youth , free transfers and players who want to wear the shirt.


A sure fire way of going into free fall.

You may want to take a look at Burnley's signings over the past two seasons (and they sold Charlie Austin in this period as well).

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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by Extended-Phenotype » 10 Apr 2014 10:23

genome No-one is happy with the display, but I do feel Williams and Guthrie dropping out at short notice was a big factor in the preparations and the result. You can blame it on under-investment that we weren't prepared but we were also missing Karacan, Akpan and had an unfit Leigertwood on the bench. I'm not a master tactician and I'm also not an Adkins apologist (I'm not fond of the guy and he has made some mistakes in other games) but I'm not sure how Adkins is meant to prepare with four central players being injured, and promising academy players having played the night before? I do think he should have played Jake Taylor, but then I've not seen too much from him when he has played.

I'm not saying it wasn't a poor performance, but some of the quotes flying around are a bit OTT imho tbf tbh. We're 6th with 5 games to go and it's in our hands. If we were languishing in the bottom half I'd understand the backlash a little more.



Sure, losing Guthrie and Williams was a blow but it is the managers job to manage situations like these.

He could have kept the backline that has been doing so well on the road and prepare for a lot of defending where communication and familiarity would be crucial.

Realising his central midfield would be lightweight and understanding games are won and lost in midfield, he could have ditched his 4-4-2 in favour of a more forgiving 4-5-1 and given shaky makeshift CM’s more support.

Appreciating Bridge has probably forgotten what a football is, he could have refrained rushing someone back so early.

And in the light of every CM in the squad being injured, you’d bank on Taylor getting a go if he is any good at all. It seems he is SO BAD at football, he can’t even get himself selected in central midfield ahead of a child centreback, a makeshift fullback and a twilight winger. Like Schards said, he may as well pack football in and go work in a shoe shop or something.

Instead he changes the back four inexplicably, keeps 4-4-2 and plays two wingers in central midfield.


It’s choices that lost us the game on Tuesday, not injuries. This is the kind of situation where good managers step up. Adkins was on his knees undoing the situations trousers, taking the situations cock out and gagging on it until he cried.

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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by billybraggsbeard » 10 Apr 2014 10:31

All good teams are built on the central spine of the team i.e Keeper, centre half, centre mid and centre forward, and at Bournemouth apart from McCarthy all were sadly lacking, as they have been at regular intervals this season.

The fact that we are still in a play-off position just papers over the cracks, we need a quick ball playing centre half to play alongside one out of Pearce/Morro/Hector, midfield would be alright without injuries Karacan, Williams, Guthers, Taylor, Akpan, Kuhl(hopefully), we need a new centre forward a la Grabban who is fast, strong, chases things down and lastly cares or who has some pride in the shirt

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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by Norfolk Royal » 10 Apr 2014 10:37

billybraggsbeard All good teams are built on the central spine of the team i.e Keeper, centre half, centre mid and centre forward, and at Bournemouth apart from McCarthy all were sadly lacking, as they have been at regular intervals this season.

The fact that we are still in a play-off position just papers over the cracks, we need a quick ball playing centre half to play alongside one out of Pearce/Morro/Hector, midfield would be alright without injuries Karacan, Williams, Guthers, Taylor, Akpan, Kuhl(hopefully), we need a new centre forward a la Grabban who is fast, strong, chases things down and lastly cares or who has some pride in the shirt


Another Shane Long you mean?


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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by BraisingsteakRoyal » 10 Apr 2014 10:40

Extended-Phenotype This is the kind of situation where good managers step up. Adkins was on his knees undoing the situations trousers, taking the situations cock out and gagging on it until he cried.


That's quite some imagination you have.

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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by billybraggsbeard » 10 Apr 2014 10:43

Shane Long yeah or Doyle or Kitson, all at least gave their all

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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by Big Foot » 10 Apr 2014 11:14

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genome No-one is happy with the display, but I do feel Williams and Guthrie dropping out at short notice was a big factor in the preparations and the result. You can blame it on under-investment that we weren't prepared but we were also missing Karacan, Akpan and had an unfit Leigertwood on the bench. I'm not a master tactician and I'm also not an Adkins apologist (I'm not fond of the guy and he has made some mistakes in other games) but I'm not sure how Adkins is meant to prepare with four central players being injured, and promising academy players having played the night before? I do think he should have played Jake Taylor, but then I've not seen too much from him when he has played.

I'm not saying it wasn't a poor performance, but some of the quotes flying around are a bit OTT imho tbf tbh. We're 6th with 5 games to go and it's in our hands. If we were languishing in the bottom half I'd understand the backlash a little more.



Sure, losing Guthrie and Williams was a blow but it is the managers job to manage situations like these.

He could have kept the backline that has been doing so well on the road and prepare for a lot of defending where communication and familiarity would be crucial.

Realising his central midfield would be lightweight and understanding games are won and lost in midfield, he could have ditched his 4-4-2 in favour of a more forgiving 4-5-1 and given shaky makeshift CM’s more support.

Appreciating Bridge has probably forgotten what a football is, he could have refrained rushing someone back so early.

And in the light of every CM in the squad being injured, you’d bank on Taylor getting a go if he is any good at all. It seems he is SO BAD at football, he can’t even get himself selected in central midfield ahead of a child centreback, a makeshift fullback and a twilight winger. Like Schards said, he may as well pack football in and go work in a shoe shop or something.

Instead he changes the back four inexplicably, keeps 4-4-2 and plays two wingers in central midfield.


It’s choices that lost us the game on Tuesday, not injuries. This is the kind of situation where good managers step up. Adkins was on his knees undoing the situations trousers, taking the situations cock out and gagging on it until he cried.
Agreed

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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by liamobey » 10 Apr 2014 11:22

sandman If Akpan was a 22 year old we'd produced from the academy he'd get nowhere near the stick he gets. However, because he's a 22 year old signed during that transfer window it doesn't look like he's going to catch a break from certain people.



OHHHHHH I wanna dance with Hope Akpan
I wanna feel the heat with Hope Akpan
YeaaaaaaaH I wanna dance with Hope Akpan
Be-cause Hope Akpan loves me.

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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by Royal Ginger » 10 Apr 2014 11:38

sandman If Akpan was a 22 year old we'd produced from the academy he'd get nowhere near the stick he gets. However, because he's a 22 year old signed during that transfer window it doesn't look like he's going to catch a break from certain people.

I thought it was because he was crap. Give Jake Taylor 5+ starts and i suspect he'll be getting the same treatment.

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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by Wycombe Royal » 10 Apr 2014 11:43

Extended-Phenotype It’s choices that lost us the game on Tuesday, not injuries. This is the kind of situation where good managers step up. Adkins was on his knees undoing the situations trousers, taking the situations cock out and gagging on it until he cried.

Whatever team or formation we could have put out on Tuesday we would still not have won or drawn that game. Yes Adkins may have made mistakes with the late changes, but we still had a massively unbalanced team out there and there wasn't a huge amount he could have done.

The defence - Gorkss was pretty poor, but Morrison I don't believe is ready yet. Bridge was not ready but he felt he need Obita fill in elsewhere due to other injuries. I'm pretty sure that had Danny Williams been fit then Bridge would not have been in the starting line up.

The midfield - it was ripped to pieces but with the personnel available that was always going to happen. We had no-one to break up play and there is no Leigertwood could have started, and none of our CB's are capable of playing as a makeshift CM (only Hector could do that and he is injured). yes we could have played 5 in midfield by putting another winger in there but i don't believe that would have made any difference.

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Re: BFTG-Bournemouth

by billybraggsbeard » 10 Apr 2014 11:43

liamobey
sandman If Akpan was a 22 year old we'd produced from the academy he'd get nowhere near the stick he gets. However, because he's a 22 year old signed during that transfer window it doesn't look like he's going to catch a break from certain people.



OHHHHHH I wanna dance with Hope Akpan
I wanna feel the heat with Hope Akpan
YeaaaaaaaH I wanna dance with Hope Akpan
Be-cause Hope Akpan loves me.


Is that why he's injured?????

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