Time for fans to stand up and be counted

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Re: Time for fans to stand up and be counted

by under the tin » 06 May 2014 16:27

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Hoop Blah Brendy, I spend very little else at the ground these days, don't by the kit and try to blank out the rest of the marketing and hype.

All of that lessons the appeal and the draw of football for many though.

Take a look round and see how the demographic has changed (in some ways for the better) and think about how many of your peers have stopped making the effort to go. In my case there used to be a group of about 15/20 of us who all bought season tickets in the same area having. That's down to about 8 or 9 now. Various reasons for quitting, not just cost, but speaking to other people, and hearing the likes of Big Foot and Mr Angry saying the same, it seems a bit of a trend.


this happens constantly though
people grow up and their priorities change
its very tempting to blame events at the club for it, and no doubt those leaving in droves will increase in bad years and increase in good years
luckily we have more youngsters than ever being indoctrinated at the club as we speak, so the supply line is strong


Agree, to an extent, and jobs and kids caused a couple to quit at least, but as much as many just drift away I do think the change in how football is these days has increased that trend.


Had a chat about this very subject recently with some old mates. We were all regulars for decades. None of us go anymore.
You could then just rock up to the ground, pay on the gate, job done. It used to be beers in the Yeoman, last orders, in the back of the south bank by kickoff.
You'd look around EP, and a 10 000+ gate made you smile inwardly. "The club's going to make a few quid today".
Then the double whammy came. All seater grounds. Fkcuing SKY TV.
Swapping beers in the local for overpriced eurofizz in a sterile concrete concourse (with terrible service).
Limited ticket allocations at away games. Pay at the gate's virtually disappeared altogether.
If you were next to a twat at EP, you could move away. You're stuck with the twat at the madstad.
Then Murdoch starts chucking silly money at football. The players understandably want a piece of the action.
Clubs start to refocus, realising that how many are in the stadium is to a large extent, irrelevant. It's all about finding billionaires to service the wages of the millionaires on the pitch, in the hope that money can be recouped with the television income and prize money.
The trickle down mentality in footballers wages results in clubs paying over the top wages for players who frankly, are not that good, resulting in the paradox where a genuinely talented playing staff makes a club financially weaker, not stronger, because of the burgeoning wage demands in retaining their services.
The gulf between matchday income and staff wages steadily increases, and that's exactly where Reading are now.
The club has without doubt grown in stature. We now play at a higher level, in a bigger stadium, with higher attendances. Flip side, bigger debts.
I stopped going because
a) the matchday experience ain't what it used to be.
b) my season ticket money does not make the "movement" stronger. It is a few relative coppers on top of that put in by the owners, and just means that A. Player can get a new R8, whilst the club has to sell its up and coming talent to pay for it. Meh.

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Re: Time for fans to stand up and be counted

by Green » 06 May 2014 16:39

^ gr8 post, sums up my feelings too.

And yeh as a disenfranchised fan, if you pay and turn up anyway you're arguably making things worse rather than srand up and be counted. Don't turn up, don't be counted is my motto (well, it isn't, but if I had a motto it might be briefly considered for a few moments of madness)

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Re: Time for fans to stand up and be counted

by TommyF » 06 May 2014 16:45

I largely agree with the sentiment of under the tin, the problem was we really had no choice if we wanted to compete in the football leagues as the reality of football dictates you need the larger stadium and bigger fan base to survive. Had we not we would now be playing at Elm Park (lovely jubly) and bouncing (with luck) around League 2 and the conference.

Meat pie and a pint in hand, plastic cup of bovril and a mars bar on winter's Tuesday evening being stuffed by Luton Town. I admit that's good, honest football but it's not for me.

Plastic - no. Maybe just a little Bakerlite

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Re: Time for fans to stand up and be counted

by LUX » 06 May 2014 17:19

under the tin eurofizz



good post, indeed. I loved the old days in Division 4 tbh.

Maybe I'm a bit sensitive (no, there's no "maybe" about it, I am), but what's "euro" about the beer they sell?

plus, where was the Yeoman? I was a Swiss Cottage man.

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Re: Time for fans to stand up and be counted

by Green » 06 May 2014 17:22

I took it to mean bottom up fermented, "lager" style keg beers.

I'm aware the continent has more to offer, but as you'll know LUX it's only your Stellas, Kronenbourgs, Amstels et al that make it over here in any decent volume.


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by LUX » 06 May 2014 17:28

Green it's only your Stellas, Kronenbourgs, Amstels et al that make it over here in any decent volume.




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Re: Time for fans to stand up and be counted

by Green » 06 May 2014 17:41

Case in point LUX, and you'll appreciate this little anecdote - I was on the Eurostar recently.

Went to the bar, and was told they had Kronenbourg, Duval and Leffe. I'm quite partial to a Leffe so wasn't too fussed - but they're missing a trick not to have an English ale as part of the mix there. Would be nice to have beer from all the countries the Eurostar serves :|

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Re: Time for fans to stand up and be counted

by under the tin » 06 May 2014 17:46

The Woodley Yeoman
Howth Drive
Woodley

Demolished some years ago, and replaced by about 8 townhouses, now known as Yeoman Place.

In fairness, alcofizz would be a more adroit term for the (beer).

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Re: Time for fans to stand up and be counted

by P!ssed Off » 06 May 2014 17:46

TommyF I largely agree with the sentiment of under the tin, the problem was we really had no choice if we wanted to compete in the football leagues as the reality of football dictates you need the larger stadium and bigger fan base to survive. Had we not we would now be playing at Elm Park (lovely jubly) and bouncing (with luck) around League 2 and the conference.

Meat pie and a pint in hand, plastic cup of bovril and a mars bar on winter's Tuesday evening being stuffed by Luton Town. I admit that's good, honest football but it's not for me.

Plastic - no. Maybe just a little Bakerlite


That's not particularly true:
League 1 average attendances this season:
http://www.espnfc.com/stats/attendance/ ... ne?cc=5739

Only 4 teams with an average attendance above 10K, therefore even Elm Park ~ 2/3 full would put us as heavyweights in the league in regard to support.

My local side Colchester United had an average attendance of 3,735 and still avoided the drop. The 2 league games I went to this season they didn't even manage a crowd of 3,000.


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Re: Time for fans to stand up and be counted

by Green » 06 May 2014 17:54

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TommyF I largely agree with the sentiment of under the tin, the problem was we really had no choice if we wanted to compete in the football leagues as the reality of football dictates you need the larger stadium and bigger fan base to survive. Had we not we would now be playing at Elm Park (lovely jubly) and bouncing (with luck) around League 2 and the conference.

Meat pie and a pint in hand, plastic cup of bovril and a mars bar on winter's Tuesday evening being stuffed by Luton Town. I admit that's good, honest football but it's not for me.

Plastic - no. Maybe just a little Bakerlite


That's not particularly true:
League 1 average attendances this season:
http://www.espnfc.com/stats/attendance/ ... ne?cc=5739

Only 4 teams with an average attendance above 10K, therefore even Elm Park ~ 2/3 full would put us as heavyweights in the league in regard to support.

My local side Colchester United had an average attendance of 3,735 and still avoided the drop. The 2 league games I went to this season they didn't even manage a crowd of 3,000.

Sure, but I think it's fair to say JM had/has expectations slightly beyond your Colchesters of this world - no disrespect to the league 1 stalwarts.

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Re: Time for fans to stand up and be counted

by under the tin » 06 May 2014 17:57

TommyF I largely agree with the sentiment of under the tin, the problem was we really had no choice if we wanted to compete in the football leagues as the reality of football dictates you need the larger stadium and bigger fan base to survive. Had we not we would now be playing at Elm Park (lovely jubly) and bouncing (with luck) around League 2 and the conference.

Meat pie and a pint in hand, plastic cup of bovril and a mars bar on winter's Tuesday evening being stuffed by Luton Town. I admit that's good, honest football but it's not for me.

Plastic - no. Maybe just a little Bakerlite


Respect to that.

Maybe I'm just a bit different in that who we were playing, and at what level, had very little importance to me. I was there to watch my team, Reading.
The only time it became of any relevance was when the oppo came from an OX, SN, GU, or West london Postcode. :wink:

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Re: Time for fans to stand up and be counted

by loyalroyal4life » 06 May 2014 19:17

last season for me was the worst for a long time overall for atmosphere etc

Can only see it getting worst next season any beyond, there is not much to look forward to.

With that said i will be one of the gullible lot renewing and living in hope of a miracle

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Re: Time for fans to stand up and be counted

by P!ssed Off » 06 May 2014 19:22

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TommyF I largely agree with the sentiment of under the tin, the problem was we really had no choice if we wanted to compete in the football leagues as the reality of football dictates you need the larger stadium and bigger fan base to survive. Had we not we would now be playing at Elm Park (lovely jubly) and bouncing (with luck) around League 2 and the conference.

Meat pie and a pint in hand, plastic cup of bovril and a mars bar on winter's Tuesday evening being stuffed by Luton Town. I admit that's good, honest football but it's not for me.

Plastic - no. Maybe just a little Bakerlite


That's not particularly true:
League 1 average attendances this season:
http://www.espnfc.com/stats/attendance/ ... ne?cc=5739

Only 4 teams with an average attendance above 10K, therefore even Elm Park ~ 2/3 full would put us as heavyweights in the league in regard to support.

My local side Colchester United had an average attendance of 3,735 and still avoided the drop. The 2 league games I went to this season they didn't even manage a crowd of 3,000.

Sure, but I think it's fair to say JM had/has expectations slightly beyond your Colchesters of this world - no disrespect to the league 1 stalwarts.


Of course, I was disputing TommyF's "bouncing around Conference and League 2" comment.
'Bouncing around League 1 and Championship' would be a bit more realistic.


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Re: Time for fans to stand up and be counted

by MmmMonsterMunch » 06 May 2014 20:04

loyalroyal4life last season for me was the worst for a long time overall for atmosphere etc

Can only see it getting worst next season any beyond, there is not much to look forward to.

With that said i will be one of the gullible lot renewing and living in hope of a miracle


Next season could be a corker. Just you wait & see! McCleary has come out & publicly backed the manager today. Lets hope that means he & Gunter stick around.

Plenty to be optimistic about but we do need to get behind Adkins properly this season though. I feel for the poor sod & the sh1t he has dealt with this season.

We've all said we want new faces in the team...well looks like we'll get our wish. I am very excited personally & cannot wait for August.

Going up with the current squad would not have been enjoyable at all - we all know that. We wouldn't have invested & it would have been a rerun of 2012/13.

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Re: Time for fans to stand up and be counted

by Westwood52 » 06 May 2014 20:24

I renewed-wonder what happens to my cash if we go into Administration.

If Mr Mad lets it go that far-surely like the rest of us a lot of his money in the Club is gone.

Should the Club let Obita/MCCleary & Gunter go -then that would be the time to worry-as it means we are really in some serious shit.

If we really did have to seriously cut costs-how many of the 1st team squad are on less than say £8k to £5k a week -they presumably would be all that's left.

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Re: Time for fans to stand up and be counted

by TommyF » 07 May 2014 09:47

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P!ssed Off That's not particularly true:
League 1 average attendances this season:
http://www.espnfc.com/stats/attendance/ ... ne?cc=5739

Only 4 teams with an average attendance above 10K, therefore even Elm Park ~ 2/3 full would put us as heavyweights in the league in regard to support.

My local side Colchester United had an average attendance of 3,735 and still avoided the drop. The 2 league games I went to this season they didn't even manage a crowd of 3,000.

Sure, but I think it's fair to say JM had/has expectations slightly beyond your Colchesters of this world - no disrespect to the league 1 stalwarts.

Of course, I was disputing TommyF's "bouncing around Conference and League 2" comment.
'Bouncing around League 1 and Championship' would be a bit more realistic.

Happy to concede that. But I think now our fans have higher expectations. The annoying thing for me is that whilst it's not for me as a fan as I love our higher profile, access to news about the club, better players, better opposition etc, the bit that should matter - 2 hours on a Saturday - just seemed more enjoyable at Elm Park. But I couldn't go back

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