Brian: The right decision?

[genome]

You forgot to mention the January transfer window.

[Agent Balti]

Really? We're still going here? Jeez, move along people, move the hell along.

[AthleticoSpizz]

The post I just made over in players released has made me err even further away from McDermott. Yes he sometimes did well taking a punt on a lot of kids and cheap signings, and was instrumental in us signing Long/Doyle - although that came about by way of Dolan, so thanks for that Eamo/Pat!

Anyway, in his three and a half seasons managing us McDermott handed Taylor and Samuel one appearance off the bench each and was was very very risk adverse when it came to giving McCarthy the opportunity to start sticking at times with Federici who was drastically out of form and never gave Obita a look in.

We've now got Obita as player of the season, Hector looking embedded, Taylor has started to have a few games and if he sticks with us will get a few appearances. Finances may be forcing it upon us but it feels like there's finally a path emerging to the first team which in part looks like it was blocked by the manager.

Objection re. Obita


Portsmouth could not (even) give us Obita back (early) when they had him on loan...yes he scored the goal whilst on loan at (and for) Oldham v Liverpool.....but in MaccyD's days....he was basically w4nk.

He isn't now...that's plain to see...but the lack of inclusion to our team during Brians reign was absolutely justified.

[Ian Royal]

That just aint true Spizz.

[Zana Badawi]

The post I just made over in players released has made me err even further away from McDermott. Yes he sometimes did well taking a punt on a lot of kids and cheap signings, and was instrumental in us signing Long/Doyle - although that came about by way of Dolan, so thanks for that Eamo/Pat!

Anyway, in his three and a half seasons managing us McDermott handed Taylor and Samuel one appearance off the bench each and was was very very risk adverse when it came to giving McCarthy the opportunity to start sticking at times with Federici who was drastically out of form and never gave Obita a look in.

We've now got Obita as player of the season, Hector looking embedded, Taylor has started to have a few games and if he sticks with us will get a few appearances. Finances may be forcing it upon us but it feels like there's finally a path emerging to the first team which in part looks like it was blocked by the manager.

Objection re. Obita


Portsmouth could not (even) give us Obita back (early) when they had him on loan...yes he scored the goal whilst on loan at (and for) Oldham v Liverpool.....but in MaccyD's days....he was basically w4nk.

He isn't now...that's plain to see...but the lack of inclusion to our team during Brians reign was absolutely justified.

Its a lot easier to include a youth player in a championship set up riddled by injuries and behind the scene problems, than in a Premiership side with a new (bs-ing) owner. Obita got in the side simply because there was absolutely nobody else to play left back. Did we really go into the season expecting Bridge to play 46 games or is that just how it turned out?

[AthleticoSpizz]

That just aint true Spizz.

Try working in Portsmouth (at the time...and after) and asking about Obita, Ian

Feel free to come back with some facts, figures and quotes from Pompey fans before implying that I am a liar next time

[The Quiet Man]

Not sure what the argument is about blooding youth and MCD. I saw Obita's debut under him and was underwhelmed and he was never going to displace the wingers in the side who got to a play off final and won the league. If NA hadn't switched Obita to full back this season would he have had the run of appearances he got this season. Week in week out consistent winger he wasn't compared to McCleary and Mcanuff and he may have struggled to keep his place.
Samuel frankly looked what he was on his debut, a boy in a man's game. Suspect with injuries and others coming through he aint going to make the grade at championship level let alone prem.
Taylor has done what so far, even NA wasn't convinced otherwise how come he didn't play at Bournemouth or feature at all for 2 months.

Also love the Nameless argument that NA didn't get any of his signings in the team. Whose fault was that? The guy was brought in 5 weeks before the prem season ended and had the whole of the summer to do something!

Yes, the guy who was misled (lied to?) by the owner(s) when they were trying to get him to join and then wasn't provided with the promised finances. Rest assured he knew who he wanted to sign, unfortunately he was then twarted in the summer when the funding wasn't available to secure those targets. Absolute lunacy to suggest that the failure to bring players in was his fault.

Difference is that Adkins had the professionalism to keep quiet during the season, and concentrate on doing his best to achieve success on limited resources whilst hit by numerous injuries to key players, but then had the balls to speak out and state how it had been (broken promises by owners) at the end. In contrast Brian stayed quiet - lips sealed as part of his pay-off deal?

Bollocks. Adkins was 100% Zingarevich's selection. He had all summer to have got players into the club. So did he find out like the manager before him that what an owner says and does can be widely different and that if AZ wants luxury players then you are paid to make them play, that's your job. What has Adkins to moan about being he has been f*cking well paid for this season's 'achievements' and if he doesn't like being so well paid I'm sure he has got enough credit in the game to get another job.

[Cureton's Volley]

Not sure what the argument is about blooding youth and MCD. I saw Obita's debut under him and was underwhelmed and he was never going to displace the wingers in the side who got to a play off final and won the league. If NA hadn't switched Obita to full back this season would he have had the run of appearances he got this season. Week in week out consistent winger he wasn't compared to McCleary and Mcanuff and he may have struggled to keep his place.
Samuel frankly looked what he was on his debut, a boy in a man's game. Suspect with injuries and others coming through he aint going to make the grade at championship level let alone prem.
Taylor has done what so far, even NA wasn't convinced otherwise how come he didn't play at Bournemouth or feature at all for 2 months.

Also love the Nameless argument that NA didn't get any of his signings in the team. Whose fault was that? The guy was brought in 5 weeks before the prem season ended and had the whole of the summer to do something!

Yes, the guy who was misled (lied to?) by the owner(s) when they were trying to get him to join and then wasn't provided with the promised finances. Rest assured he knew who he wanted to sign, unfortunately he was then twarted in the summer when the funding wasn't available to secure those targets. Absolute lunacy to suggest that the failure to bring players in was his fault.

Difference is that Adkins had the professionalism to keep quiet during the season, and concentrate on doing his best to achieve success on limited resources whilst hit by numerous injuries to key players, but then had the balls to speak out and state how it had been (broken promises by owners) at the end. In contrast Brian stayed quiet - lips sealed as part of his pay-off deal?

Bollocks. Adkins was 100% Zingarevich's selection. He had all summer to have got players into the club. So did he find out like the manager before him that what an owner says and does can be widely different and that if AZ wants luxury players then you are paid to make them play, that's your job. What has Adkins to moan about being he has been f*cking well paid for this season's 'achievements' and if he doesn't like being so well paid I'm sure he has got enough credit in the game to get another job.

[Vic_Flange]

Not sure what the argument is about blooding youth and MCD. I saw Obita's debut under him and was underwhelmed and he was never going to displace the wingers in the side who got to a play off final and won the league. If NA hadn't switched Obita to full back this season would he have had the run of appearances he got this season. Week in week out consistent winger he wasn't compared to McCleary and Mcanuff and he may have struggled to keep his place.
Samuel frankly looked what he was on his debut, a boy in a man's game. Suspect with injuries and others coming through he aint going to make the grade at championship level let alone prem.
Taylor has done what so far, even NA wasn't convinced otherwise how come he didn't play at Bournemouth or feature at all for 2 months.

Also love the Nameless argument that NA didn't get any of his signings in the team. Whose fault was that? The guy was brought in 5 weeks before the prem season ended and had the whole of the summer to do something!

Yes, the guy who was misled (lied to?) by the owner(s) when they were trying to get him to join and then wasn't provided with the promised finances. Rest assured he knew who he wanted to sign, unfortunately he was then twarted in the summer when the funding wasn't available to secure those targets. Absolute lunacy to suggest that the failure to bring players in was his fault.

Difference is that Adkins had the professionalism to keep quiet during the season, and concentrate on doing his best to achieve success on limited resources whilst hit by numerous injuries to key players, but then had the balls to speak out and state how it had been (broken promises by owners) at the end. In contrast Brian stayed quiet - lips sealed as part of his pay-off deal?

Bollocks. Adkins was 100% Zingarevich's selection. He had all summer to have got players into the club. So did he find out like the manager before him that what an owner says and does can be widely different and that if AZ wants luxury players then you are paid to make them play, that's your job. What has Adkins to moan about being he has been f*cking well paid for this season's 'achievements' and if he doesn't like being so well paid I'm sure he has got enough credit in the game to get another job.

Adkins came here on the promise we have money (same as Brian would if he stayed)

Come on, for fooks sake, some of you need some serious Brian Therapy.

[winchester_royal]

Exactly. Don't think he's done a particularly good job this season, but he in March 2013 he could have got any job in the Champ that he wanted. His stock was high and he didn't need to rush into a job. He came here because he was made certain promises, and he was let down by AZ (just as Brian was). Trying to argue otherwise is absolute folly.

[Tilehurstsouthbank]

The sad thing is that if Anton had been willing to eat humble pie, even with just a few games to go, he could have got Brian back and we would have been in the playoffs.

Bollox. With the egos of players like Guthrie and Pog in the squad, Brian would have no respect in the dressing room and that's not even mentioning every fickle Reading fans favourite; Alfie who Brian started even less than Adkins did.

[Maguire]

As Mags says, Brian did A LOT BETTER with much less.

cough £26m wage budget and a team with a winning habit cough.

WTF does "team with a winning habit" mean?

And what's the wage bill this year?

[floyd__streete]

As Mags says, Brian did A LOT BETTER with much less.

cough £26m wage budget and a team with a winning habit cough.

WTF does "team with a winning habit" mean?

And what's the wage bill this year?

Winning habit? We were 4th bottom when he took over

We sacked Brian with the promise of getting something better. That didn't materialise. Therefore given the cost of doing so it was the WRONG decision and the thread is therefore CLOSED.

[Silver Fox]

Amen brother, let's just hope we don't make another mistake and try to keep Adkins here for next season

[Extended-Phenotype]

I reckons if Bri was still in the job yielding the same results as we have seen this season, folk that are not fine with stuff would be fine with stuff.

Not fussed either way really. Not exactly being spoilt for choice between two limited and extremely average at best managers.

[Cureton's Volley]

So to conclude:

Brian: The right decision?


No, it wasn't.

[Nameless]

So to conclude:

Brian: The right decision?


No, it wasn't.

Although no one seems to have ruled out the 'yes it was' option

[Elm Park Pasty]

So to conclude:

Brian: The right decision?


No, it wasn't.

Think this must be a Tory poll. We haven't got the majority of the vote, but a little matter like that shouldn't stop us claiming victory

[Cureton's Volley]

So to conclude:

Brian: The right decision?


No, it wasn't.

Although no one seems to have ruled out the 'yes it was' option

Perhaps we need a fresh vote to 'decide' once and for all



(until the next one)

[Pepe the Horseman]

Maybe the question should be changed to Nige: The right decision?