BFTG - Brentford

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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by peterroyal76 » 05 Oct 2014 13:18

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Plymouth_Royal My friend, who is a Brentford fan, went to the game and had this very brief piece to say.


Reading were shit for the first 15mins but improved after. Second half Reading dominated and were very unlucky. Brentford didn't deserve to win but that's life.

However, reading this lot there seems to be a different game that was played at the same time.



I think your Brentford supporting friend is the one most accurately describing what actually transpired. The ref's decision to allow their third goal not only made the loss look far worse than it was but also took the wind completely out of the team's sails when it was looking like they would come back to get at least a point from the game.


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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by Esteban » 05 Oct 2014 13:58

holsgrove breaks a leg If we had approached the game with a back 4 in control of defending in and around the penalty area we would have come away with a well earned point today. I am all for accepting mistakes as we go along this season with a younger squad but the hard work has to pay off on the training ground in the end.

Pearce looks like a lead weight which only conspires to make hector unsure of himself. I wasn't overly impressed with Brentford, we both look like mid table teams at the moment yet our leaky defence especially away from home looks like putting more pressure on our home performances. At times we knock it around and from wing to wing quite confidently but I still don't think we are anywhere near as clinical as we should be - pog squaring it late on when he should have shot an example.

The lineup today was definately not right and Mackie and cox can look forward to a starting spot next time round after encouraging displays. Mackie has been a touch unfortunate to be on the bench so hopefully he can kick on. I really despair with hrk, overweight and ineffective and once McCleary is back I would get rid. Blackman wasn't great but still makes things happen at times and can at least beat his man. I thought kuhl still has a lot of promise but Edwards will struggle to get a look in when our cm's are all back.

I still wonder what plan b we have up front if Murray gets injured or we need an extra man up top-pog appears to be struggling but its options at cb we desparatly need if the current pairing cannot learn from their mistakes- Ferdinand being able to make an impact is anyone's guess..


This sums it up for me. The injury crisis in midfield is killing us. Kuhl and Norwood tried hard, but came away with a bloody nose. HRK looks miles short of match fitness and Edwards lacks any of that Aussie grit that lot are supposed to have.

I defended Adkins after the Leeds game, but he's made a huge mistake leaving Cox on the bench. Easy to say in hindsight, I suppose.

For me, Pearce is the weak link in that side. He's never had any pace, but at least in previous seasons he's been good at reading the game and was rarely beaten in the air. This season, however, he's constantly out of position and keeps jumping under headers. I gave up counting the number of times Hector had to tidy up a Pearce mistake yesterday. Hector is inexperienced in the Championship, so you have to expect some iffy performances and he certainly had one yesterday, but that's partly because he's doing the job of two defenders. I'm sure Pearce will return to form at some point, but we could really do with some competition at centre back.

Most clubs that are going to use the loan system will do so after the international break, so hopefully we'll see one or two come in over the next few weeks. The injuries have forced us to rush some of the young players in and whilst a Cooper and Kuhl have looked the part, most need time out on loan.

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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by Elm Park Kid » 05 Oct 2014 14:34

Not the best day out in the end. Hadn't realized how long the train journey is to Brentford - took me almost 2 hours to do 40 miles.

Then there was the game . . . . . . . I thought it was a dreadful performance. We were on the back foot from the first few minutes and struggled to make any decent chances. Even our goal was down to a goal keeping error from them. It was a proper lower league battle and clearly weren't up for it.

Oh well, at least the barmaids in The Globe were fit.

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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by St Pauli » 05 Oct 2014 17:20

Had some enjoyable beers in the Lord Nelson and the game peaked at the rendition of oxf*rd off Mark McGhee. After that it went downhill.

Favourite chant of the game was the 'You're Samuel L Jackson' aimed at the Brentford steward who was dressed like this:


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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by Ouroboros » 05 Oct 2014 18:41

He was dressed like Samuel L Jackson?


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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by loyalroyal4life » 05 Oct 2014 18:43

1st half was probably worst I have seen us play this season, dire sunday league effort at best.

Yes it improved 2nd half only after Adkins realising he started with the wrong team! Mackie and Cox changed it and I felt with Cox goal coming early on we would at least snatch a draw.

Not sure why Blackman was allowed to carry on taking corners when he struggled to put a decent ball in all game!

Adkins got it wrong for me, wrong line up, and tactically useless

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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by SydenhamRoyal » 05 Oct 2014 20:26

Elm Park Kid Not the best day out in the end. Hadn't realized how long the train journey is to Brentford - took me almost 2 hours to do 40 miles.

Then there was the game . . . . . . . I thought it was a dreadful performance. We were on the back foot from the first few minutes and struggled to make any decent chances. Even our goal was down to a goal keeping error from them. It was a proper lower league battle and clearly weren't up for it.

Oh well, at least the barmaids in The Globe were fit.


Didn't go in the globe :cry:

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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by madstadblues » 05 Oct 2014 21:05

Holo Nobs,

I share some history with the multi year season ticket holders but (and perhaps I am in the minority here as I don't own FIFAXX) I go to football with my mates and my daughter for 60% 'Saturday afternoon going to football' 25% 'winning', 15% 'how we play'. I really don't understand where peoples expectations come from where we win a few we are premier league bound, we lose a couple were doomed. If what we read is true we were very close to going down the shi££re so anything in the short term is a bonus. I think Adkins is one of the more intelligent managers (look at Rednapp) and has done his best to make the most of a bad hand. Whilst he has made mistakes some earlier poster mentioned that the players that get the most criticism and have failed to deliver were bought by MacD.
Having been at the game yesterday I'm not convinced the score line reflected the play. Unless I'm mistaken the 3rd goal was a foul and 1 & 2 were down to us giving away the ball. Our problems were in the delivery in the final 3rd - nothing to do with Adkins (his approach won us 15 corners - good thing!) whilst Blackman, Norwood. Obita all put in poor crosses & we failed to score.

Both the New Inn and Royal oak were very accommodating.

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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by Platypuss » 05 Oct 2014 21:30

Elm Park Kid Even our goal was down to a goal keeping error from them.


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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by Ian Herring » 05 Oct 2014 21:34

Interesting how fan opinions and perspectives have changed over the years.

I've been going to this fixture since 1985.

There's a real mix of rivalry and friendship and respect between both clubs and many of their supporters. the M4 Derby is a fruitful day out for both sets of fans.

Traditionally in the past its been a Division Three game, between two clubs of similar size and stature.

It was good to see the two meeting in the second tier.

Some perspective: I was at Brentford v Leeds last week. Leeds were…what can you say without being too abusive…dire. Brentford were impressive. Warburton has them playing a brand of football with modest players that I first marvelled at as McGhee began to work his magic at Elm Park in the nineties. Fast, passing football with good shape and a spine of determination. They are doing what we did in our first season when we were promoted under McGhee. Surprising some, being well-beaten by others but generally laying a good foundation.

On Saturday Reading looked light years ahead of Leeds. Faster, quicker, more up for the win, with some kind of plan. I'm just saying it how I saw. Yes, there were frailties, which Brentford exposed. It's not all one-way traffic in football. But they were 40/50% more impressive and efficient as a so called 'big club'.

Reading 'quietened' Brentford for periods of time when Leeds did none of that. They made them dig deeper and have to think.

The Royals looked far more athletic and tactically aware than Leeds, who had looked pedestrian and unthinking. Watching the Rz showed some evidence of training filtering through to the match day performance. Players who had looked gauche and inexperienced at the back end of last season looked far more accomplished.

Brentford were economical in the conversion of chances and 2-0 at half-time was slightly over and above what the balance of play exhibited - but they did what you have to do - score.

However, Reading's exhilarating period of domination in the second half looked at times as if the Rz would swamp Brentford and not only draw level quickly, but despatch them out of sight. Last week, Leeds did none of this at any point. Brentford looked as though they were on a shaky back foot at that stage. The Royals were playing well.

As with all games, pace and rhythm changes and the home side came back into it as the Reading wave began to ebb. Brentford's third - perhaps debatable as a foul - was all that was needed to settle events.

Both sets of players seemed to settle for that at that point.

I think we are not far from entering another fruitful period for the club on the pitch. It's like putting a puzzle together, a composite. Many good elements are there. It's not clicking at the moment but I recall that same feeling in Coppell's early years.

A bit too much despondency from the more recent fans, methinks.

Adkins makes some strange decisions - substitutions seem odd. But the picture - overall - is quietly encouraging.

Strange to see some of the comments on here that we played opponents who are one of the 'poorest' squads in the division - that's not what I have seen so far this year.

Just as the Royals are nowhere near as bad as some seem to think on here.

Fans: Reading end was loud and vibrant, humorous and full of spike. Contributed to a great day and - despite the result - a really enjoyable game.

All depends on your perspective, of course, but things are nowhere near as bleak as they are portrayed by some on here.

Saw a lot to be positive about in the next two or three years on Saturday.

Cheers.

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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by madstadblues » 05 Oct 2014 22:01

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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by paultheroyal » 05 Oct 2014 23:06

madstadblues +7


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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by leon » 05 Oct 2014 23:19

Ian Herring Interesting how fan opinions and perspectives have changed over the years.

I've been going to this fixture since 1985.

There's a real mix of rivalry and friendship and respect between both clubs and many of their supporters. the M4 Derby is a fruitful day out for both sets of fans.

Traditionally in the past its been a Division Three game, between two clubs of similar size and stature.

It was good to see the two meeting in the second tier.

Some perspective: I was at Brentford v Leeds last week. Leeds were…what can you say without being too abusive…dire. Brentford were impressive. Warburton has them playing a brand of football with modest players that I first marvelled at as McGhee began to work his magic at Elm Park in the nineties. Fast, passing football with good shape and a spine of determination. They are doing what we did in our first season when we were promoted under McGhee. Surprising some, being well-beaten by others but generally laying a good foundation.

On Saturday Reading looked light years ahead of Leeds. Faster, quicker, more up for the win, with some kind of plan. I'm just saying it how I saw. Yes, there were frailties, which Brentford exposed. It's not all one-way traffic in football. But they were 40/50% more impressive and efficient as a so called 'big club'.

Reading 'quietened' Brentford for periods of time when Leeds did none of that. They made them dig deeper and have to think.

The Royals looked far more athletic and tactically aware than Leeds, who had looked pedestrian and unthinking. Watching the Rz showed some evidence of training filtering through to the match day performance. Players who had looked gauche and inexperienced at the back end of last season looked far more accomplished.

Brentford were economical in the conversion of chances and 2-0 at half-time was slightly over and above what the balance of play exhibited - but they did what you have to do - score.

However, Reading's exhilarating period of domination in the second half looked at times as if the Rz would swamp Brentford and not only draw level quickly, but despatch them out of sight. Last week, Leeds did none of this at any point. Brentford looked as though they were on a shaky back foot at that stage. The Royals were playing well.

As with all games, pace and rhythm changes and the home side came back into it as the Reading wave began to ebb. Brentford's third - perhaps debatable as a foul - was all that was needed to settle events.

Both sets of players seemed to settle for that at that point.

I think we are not far from entering another fruitful period for the club on the pitch. It's like putting a puzzle together, a composite. Many good elements are there. It's not clicking at the moment but I recall that same feeling in Coppell's early years.

A bit too much despondency from the more recent fans, methinks.

Adkins makes some strange decisions - substitutions seem odd. But the picture - overall - is quietly encouraging.

Strange to see some of the comments on here that we played opponents who are one of the 'poorest' squads in the division - that's not what I have seen so far this year.

Just as the Royals are nowhere near as bad as some seem to think on here.

Fans: Reading end was loud and vibrant, humorous and full of spike. Contributed to a great day and - despite the result - a really enjoyable game.

All depends on your perspective, of course, but things are nowhere near as bleak as they are portrayed by some on here.

Saw a lot to be positive about in the next two or three years on Saturday.

Cheers.


That's interesting Herring, thanks. I've been feeling pretty negative for a year now with where the team's going. Not convinced the manager is the right fit for us - however we have this season to see some improvement.


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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by The Quiet Man » 06 Oct 2014 00:12

Not a great day at the office as we were caught cold by Brentford at the start and by the time we had woken up we were two down. Tactically I thought Adkins lost the battle first half as we played way too much side to side football which they handled fairly easily. Brentford's forwards looked sharp and direct around the box whereas our efforts were laboured. We gave away soft goals in yet another game, the first goal Hector failed to clear a cross and the second Kuhl mishit a simple pass on the edge of the box. Our midfield offered no defensive cover whatsoever in the first half which left the back four horribly exposed on occasions.

Second half ironically we went route one with Hector lobbing 40 yard long balls from centre half to Murray and we looked to pick up the bits - direct it may have been but it clearly confused Brentford as we bypassed the midfield they had tied us up in during the first half. We finally played direct attacking football and penned them in their half instead of the previous slow tempo fanny football and came close to getting back in the game but we couldn't quite get the equalizer. Brentford came back into the game for 10 minutes and probably should have scored before they got a dodgy looking goal from a corner.

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Federici 6 - did OK and had no chance with the goals
Gunter 5 - saved us on a couple of occasions but still can't stop crosses coming in
Obita 6 - tough game for him and did OK
Pearce 5 - was quite funny to see Feds roll the ball out to him in the first half and he'd look up and find Brentford had marked up and there was no easy sideways pass everything he could play resulted in at least a 50-50 challenge and often in Brentford possession in our half
Hector 5 - over eager to get to the ball and nervous when it did come to him set the tone for a less than stellar defensive display
Norwood 5 - anonymous and struggled especially first half as he seemed to want a time on the ball the opposition weren't going to give him
Kuhl 4 - game completely passed him by for most of the first half and like most of his team mates didn't seem prepared to play a side that pressed us in our own half
Edwards 4 - you can see what he is trying to do but he doesn't have the physical presence for this division at the moment
HRK 4 - couple of decent runs but nothing more
Murray 6 - mainly for the second half when his heading and set up play looked threatening
Blackman 5 - one minute he's good the next shit and he really should cut out the diving it was pathetic

Subs

Mackie 7- really enjoyed the chance to get stuck in and scrap for the ball
Cox 7 - wanted to run beyond defenders and wanted to score goals
Pog 4 - summed up RFC's approach to the game when he clear on goal on the angle about 8 yards out and chose to try and cross to Murray when he should have smashed the ball into the back of the net

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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by Sanguine » 06 Oct 2014 12:24

Nothing against Edwards, who is trying very hard, but he just doesn't look anywhere near Championship level at the moment. He makes me look like Hulk Hogan.

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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by Stuka » 06 Oct 2014 13:04

Drank in each of the corner pubs. Terrible news that Brentford will have to leave this marvellous ground.

I blame our defeat entirely on the pitch, which was a quagmire.

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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by Mr.Swainey » 06 Oct 2014 13:14

Stuka Drank in each of the corner pubs. Terrible news that Brentford will have to leave this marvellous ground.



Absolutely spot on. Not too fussed about the football, had a great day in the pubs, and the terrace was packed with a fantastic array of songs. Chin up, lads.

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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by M Brook » 06 Oct 2014 13:46

Whore Jackie tries to skill everyone up,


Any chance you could ask Junior what this means in ordinary English so we can all enjoy it? Thanks. :?

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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by Elm Park » 06 Oct 2014 14:02

Just in case people haven't seen one of the most amazing goals scored try this:

http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/06/brentford ... n-4894478/?

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Re: BFTG - Brentford

by genome » 06 Oct 2014 14:17

rofl

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