Speculation: Ched Evans, you decide

[semtex1871]

Or there's a lot of this type of lady* out there who want a share of these chaps hard* earned money.....

What type of Lady* goes back to gave sex with one chap while his mate watches and is then so totally against said mate joining in as if that's wrong but the initial act to which you agreed wasn't weird......

Dirty bitch who boasted to her friends the following morning about shagging 2 footballers and drinking loads of Cristal etc, when they called her a slag for doing it......"no, actually I didn't want to do it. They forced me. It was rape"

[Holding Out Hope]

If Ched Evans is guilty, how many blokes across the country must be guilty of rape every weekend... Sure every single bloke has slept with a woman then neither remembered it In the morning, or the woman regretted it etc. the trial was a bit of a joke anyway, he was convicted on possibilities and not facts. In my opinion he was rather stitched up, but we all have our own opinions.

No we shouldn't sign him ATM, not to say we shouldn't In the future though.

[Snowball]

^ agreed with this.

Media image and being a role model is part of his job.

My job involves cash handling. If I got caught nicking a load of cash and jailed for it, i'd expect to get a job again, but not one handling cash.

I wouldn't mind seeing him emptying my bins or selling insurance, but i don't think he should be a footballer anymore.

But he's a FOOTBALLER and the rape has nothing to do with his day job

[Ian Royal]

There's some oxf*rd shameful views being expressed on this thread.

Going back to someone's room is not consenting to sex. Agreeing to let someone watch is not consenting to have sex with them. There is such a thing as changing your mind between going back to someones room for sex and actually doing it.

[P!ssed Off]

There's some oxf*rd shameful views being expressed on this thread.

Going back to someone's room is not consenting to sex. Agreeing to let someone watch is not consenting to have sex with them. There is such a thing as changing your mind between going back to someones room for sex and actually doing it.

It's easy to dispute semtex, because a lot of what he's said is clearly incorrect.

The two defendants claimed the woman consented to sex with both of them. The woman did not dispute this claim, as she said she couldn't remember anything.
There was never a claim that she changed her mind, or that she gave consent to let Evans watch but not take part. How could this claim be made if she couldn't remember anything?

Evans was convicted on the basis of CCVT footage that showed the victim in a state that the jury deemed "too drunk to give consent".

"Too drunk to give consent", yet the other defendant was acquitted? Bit strange.

Of course this is a grey area of the law, and anyone claiming otherwise is a bit daft really. If you stand outside a club at 4am on any given day you'll likely find loads of people (men and women) who are absolutely pissed out of their mind, and no doubt many of them will later partake in sexual intercourse. "Too drunk to consent" is ten a penny in any town centre, on any night of the week. Perhaps society and the clubbing industry needs to take a look at themselves, but surely the answer is not simply to put a few people in prison on a 5 year sentence and then sign a petition saying they should never be able to work again?

Sorry, but the more I look at this case, the more I'm struggling to believe that a guilty verdict was reached by the jury.

[Zana Badawi]

The main reason we shouldn't sign Ched Evans is he hasn't been in football for 3 years and that's really not the type of player we need right now.

If Ched Evans is guilty, how many blokes across the country must be guilty of rape every weekend.

I know what you're saying, but, actually, most blokes aren't guilty of rape. However, if you spend your youth getting drunk on Friday and Saturday nights with horny girls and boys, you do look at the Ched Evans case and think "There for the grace of God". A lot of youngsters, male and female, have close shaves under the mixed messages that alcohol naturally provides. Not every week, but one or two moments in their lifetimes. Only takes one to get out of control and, well, you know.

In my opinion he was rather stitched up, but we all have our own opinions..

Based on what? Its a young drunk woman and a footballer - its a newspapers/websites dream and itll be reported with all the bias that their readership expect. In these cases, you have no option but to trust the trial. Most likely, he got the right verdict, got the right sentence and served the right % of it. You don't really have any evidence to say otherwise.

My opinion is let him be. The fact that he's out so early must be testament to his temperament over the last couple of years. If we never let anybody out of prison, never believe anybody has rehabilitated, then we are entering a political system that has historically never ended up well. I do wonder why the GBP has such a fascination with sex crimes of the rich and famous. If he wants to play for Sheff U and Sheff U want him to play for them - then they should be allowed to make that contract without any input from the usual harridans on the Sunday papers.

[MmmMonsterMunch]

There's some oxf*rd shameful views being expressed on this thread.

Going back to someone's room is not consenting to sex. Agreeing to let someone watch is not consenting to have sex with them. There is such a thing as changing your mind between going back to someones room for sex and actually doing it.

+1 Amazed (appalled) at some of the stuff posted on here. In fact it's completely fcuking offensive. Just need a "she was asking for it" from someone and we'd have the full set of offensive posts!

And you wonder why people don't report rapes?! Too many quick to judge when frankly no one knows the full case facts.

The guy is a convicted rapist FFS.

Not posting on this thread again.

[susieroyal]

I thought she went back with the other guy, who then rang Ched and invited him. He managed to get a key for the room and let himself in. That's hardly her leading two fellas back into her room. I would guess the other guy (sorry can't remember his name) was not convicted as she went to a hotel room with him and gave consent.

I wouldn't pay to watch him play. Agree with others, yep you can have a job again, but not at the same level. If my boss went to prison and came back into their job on release I'd be pretty miffed!

[Gordons Cumming]

I believe Lee Hughes came back and played again.
On that basis, and as Ged hasn't killed anyone, he should have the same second chance.

Footballer aren't role models, your parents should be!

I wouldn't mind if he played for Reading.

[tmesis]

If you stand outside a club at 4am on any given day you'll likely find loads of people (men and women) who are absolutely pissed out of their mind, and no doubt many of them will later partake in sexual intercourse. "Too drunk to consent" is ten a penny in any town centre, on any night of the week.

one difference there is that both parties are drunk usually. A relatively sober guy picking up a very drunk girl to take advantage of, then calling his mates to come over and have a go as well, is not something that's normal.

Perhaps society and the clubbing industry needs to take a look at themselves, but surely the answer is not simply to put a few people in prison on a 5 year sentence and then sign a petition saying they should never be able to work again?

I don't think it's "society" as such. It's more people who think targetting very drunk girls who barely know what they are doing so they can shag them with their mates who need to change.

For all his protests of innocence, even his version of events paints him in a pretty awful light - one which he doesn't seem to have expressed the slightest regret about.


Strangely you also have his girlfriend sticking by him, despite the detail that given how little it took to persuade Evans to join them, it appears that shagging random girls with his mates is a common activity.

[harry]

I believe Lee Hughes came back and played again.
On that basis, and as Ged hasn't killed anyone, he should have the same second chance.

Footballer aren't role models, your parents should be!

I wouldn't mind if he played for Reading.

Unfortunately you are right. We live in a society that gives outrageous rewards to young men for kicking a ball. As long as they kick that ball well that seems to be all that counts.

In my view they should act like role models and the PFA should have some sort of licensing system linked to a code of conduct. in my view you could throw in everything down to diving and shirt-pulling while you are at it, as well as abusing match officials (except Obita and Murray yesterday - they were right). In reality what is more likely to change things is if TV or sponsors lead the outcry against player behaviour.

[Snowball]

Evans has always strongly protested his innocence, insisting the sex was consensual.

His lawyers sought to appeal but a panel of judges denied him the right of appeal.

NOW

Legal watchdog to fast-track inquiry into rape conviction of Ched Evans
Investigation over ex-Sheffield United player is expected to open within weeks after successful plea




I am in no way, shape or form, an apologist for rapists, but there is so much UTTER holier-than-thou BS on this thread. As someone honestly pointed out, a very high percentage of men on this board have had sex which they believed to be consensual when either

(a) They were very drunk
(b) The other party was very drunk
(c) BOTH were very drunk

I don't think, in my long life I have ever actual received SPECIFIC clear-cut consent outside marriage. In cases (b) and (c) above, that apparently makes me a rapist.

This case is very unusual in that the other footballer (found not guilty) supported Evan's contention that the sex was consensual. It's easy to say, "Ah but the other guy was a rapist." NOPE, not in law. IMO if you find the first innocent, then an innocent man testifies that the sex was consensual, the female did not deny it was consensual, only that she was drunk and couldn't remember.

That Evans may have not been a moral paragon is one thing, but the rape conviction is odd and I think there's a fair chance it will be overturned.


QUESTION to those holier-than-thou's who are so "absolute" that a jury found him guilty.

Will they say (if the decision is overturned) that he ISN'T a rapist, and should be able to play professional football?

[PistolPete]

QUESTION to those holier-than-thou's who are so "absolute" that a jury found him guilty.

Will they say (if the decision is overturned) that he ISN'T a rapist, and should be able to play professional football?

Great post, amongst many good posts in this thread - I too look forward to finding out if these people change their tune if the decision is overturned.

Also, as an aside, I assume the girl who was 'raped' got her financial compensation - if the decision is overturned, what happens to this money? (The reason I mention the money is this: http://www.chedevans.com/the-disputed-tweets)

[sandman]

Don't believe Evans is a cold, calculating rapist just that he's a stupid, uneducated young man who raped someone and thought what he was doing was just a 'normal' part of being a 'lad'. Even his supporters would have a hard time arguing against that given the fact they make statements like "If Ched Evans is guilty, how many blokes across the country must be guilty of rape every weekend".

[tmesis]

Also, as an aside, I assume the girl who was 'raped' got her financial compensation

apparently no, she got nothing. She didn't sell her story to the papers or anything like that, and hasn't made a penny out of it.

[P!ssed Off]

Also, as an aside, I assume the girl who was 'raped' got her financial compensation

apparently no, she got nothing. She didn't sell her story to the papers or anything like that, and hasn't made a penny out of it.

Think he's referring to this bit of the link:
"The nine individuals who were charged with tweeting the complainant’s name shortly after Ched was convicted, were all ordered to pay compensation of £624.00 each to the complainant."

[grey_squirrel]

Also, as an aside, I assume the girl who was 'raped' got her financial compensation

apparently no, she got nothing. She didn't sell her story to the papers or anything like that, and hasn't made a penny out of it.

Think he's referring to the this bit of the link:
"The nine individuals who were charged with tweeting the complainant’s name shortly after Ched was convicted, were all ordered to pay compensation of £624.00 each to the complainant."

That's totally different. The women concerned not only didn't get - or sought a penny - she was also forced to accept a change of identity and relocation, probably because of the intimidation she suffered as a consequence of this.

[Martin41]

Or there's a lot of this type of lady* out there who want a share of these chaps hard* earned money.....

What type of Lady* goes back to gave sex with one chap while his mate watches and is then so totally against said mate joining in as if that's wrong but the initial act to which you agreed wasn't weird......

Dirty bitch who boasted to her friends the following morning about shagging 2 footballers and drinking loads of Cristal etc, when they called her a slag for doing it......"no, actually I didn't want to do it. They forced me. It was rape"

Not sure if this is actually a serious comment?
If so, regardless of what she said to at 1st, if she said no then to another joining in and he still did, thats rape, simple....
If you are serious , Christ what a world we live in!!

[melonhead]

Given he was convicted, yes, legally we can and he is.

Can we be absolutely certain? Well if you want to get into a debate about whether we can ever know anything for certain, no. But we know that the vast majority of 12 people who heard all the evidence thought he was guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Not only that but I'm not aware there was any appeal attempts, which tends to rule out the idea there was some dodgy evidence or miscarriage of justice. So I have to say its a rather bizarre question and one I, personally, find rather disturbing. And your answer even more so.

Strikes me as one of those cases where if you tried it 10 different times with ten different juries, you might not necessarily get ten consistent outcomes.

Case in point, Evans's friend/accomplice was also tried and was not convicted.

The Sky Sports News segment I watched today said his legal team was mounting an appeal. Not their first attempt either.

It might be disturbing to think that not every single person that is convicted of a crime is guilty, and that not everyone who is given a 'not guilty' is innocent but that's the reality.
There are certain criminal trials where of course you can be essentially 100% certain. There might be concrete, irrefutable CCTV evidence, DNA evidence, 100 witnesses, full confession etc.

It appears in this trial the jury had to make a judgement call, and I'm certainly willing to go along with that but not to the extent that I will be following his future career with massive scrutiny.*

*So long as it's not at Reading.

You can't look at this case and not have doubts about the legal process imo. Two people were tried on the exact same charge. One was convicted, one was not. Either one person has got away with rape, or one person has been wrongly convicted.

And tbh I don't agree with the 'rape is rape' line:
"The judge said the sentence took into account that there had been no force involved and the complainant received no injuries.
He also said the complainant was not "targeted" and the attack had not been "premeditated"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17781842

There are clearly varying degrees of rape. The judge thinks so, not sure why it is unacceptable for the likes of Judy Finnigan to take such factors into consideration.

surely she gave her tacit consent to the other bloke, when she agreed to go back to his hotel room after bumping into him randomly in the street on her way home.
whereas she did not give any consent to be gang banged by two of em, hence why chedwynn is guilty

[Norfolk Royal]

Essentially yes Brendy, that may well have been the thinking behind the jury decision. However, she had no recollection of events whatsoever and the charge against McDonald, acquitted, and Evans, convicted, was laid on the basis that the woman was in no condition to give her consent to either, and the two men should have known that.

Whatever the arguments in the case, I respect decisions taken by a jury in full knowledge of the facts of the case rather than the vested interest claims of the Evans clan, or nutters on here.