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[TBM]

If he'd taken a moment to think about what had happened and then got up, ran at Barnes and shoved him over it wouldn't be a red card if he was facing him? I think you've been listening to Kes for too long chap!

No

How many times do you see players shoving each other? - plus if Barnes was facing him and saw him running at him, he wouldn have been ready and would have either put his arms up too or moved out of the way*. He only went down cos he didn't see it coming.



*if he was foreign, he could have thrown himself to the ground and rolled around, i'll give you that.

[Winston Smith]

How was it an 'almost leg breaking challenge' when Matic got up and ran around straight afterwards?

[TBM]

How was it an 'almost leg breaking challenge' when Matic got up and ran around straight afterwards?

Errrrm cos it was like this



Which can break your leg

[6ft Kerplunk]

But it wasn't like that was it, Barnes wasn't diving in.

Would be interested* to know how many 'leg breaking/career ending' fouls actually end up breaking a leg or ending a career.

[Sanguine]

But it wasn't like that was it, Barnes wasn't diving in.

Would be interested* to know how many 'leg breaking/career ending' fouls actually end up breaking a leg or ending a career.

Haaland and Casper off the top of my head.

And two is two too many, really.

[TBM]

But it wasn't like that was it, Barnes wasn't diving in.

Does it matter if you dive in or not? - its the angle and position that you catch the leg that can break it....

Not diving in = broken leg

[Sanguine]

And what TBM said - neither of Djibril Cisse's horrific leg breaks were from bad tackles.

[6ft Kerplunk]

Does it matter if you dive in or not? - its the angle and position that you catch the leg that can break it....
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Yes the angle/position is the most important but so will be the speed/force at which it happens. If you've launched yourself the impact will be much greater than Barnes's was at the weekend. Given its still a contact sport there are relatively few broken bones.

[jd82]

But it wasn't like that was it, Barnes wasn't diving in.

Does it matter if you dive in or not? - its the angle and position that you catch the leg that can break it....

Not diving in = broken leg

Why did you choose this one TBM - this photo makes it look like the Stevenage player has stamped/trodden on him, rather than what actually happened, not sure it really helps your argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8TglJTmuQU

[TBM]

But it wasn't like that was it, Barnes wasn't diving in.

Does it matter if you dive in or not? - its the angle and position that you catch the leg that can break it....

Not diving in = broken leg

Why did you choose this one TBM - this photo makes it look like the Stevenage player has stamped/trodden on him, rather than what actually happened, not sure it really helps your argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8TglJTmuQU

Why have i chose it? - to highlight to 6ft that you don't have to dive in to break someones leg....its where you catch it, not the fact you have to go in with speed and force.

[jd82]

Your implication (or at least my inference) was that the Stevenage player has made a bad challenge despite not diving in. I was suggesting you probably could have found a better example to illustrate this, as in the on you have chosen, the 'breaker' wasn't even making a tackle.

[Sanguine]

[Whatevs]

But it wasn't like that was it, Barnes wasn't diving in.

Would be interested* to know how many 'leg breaking/career ending' fouls actually end up breaking a leg or ending a career.

Haaland and Casper off the top of my head.

And two is two too many, really.

Following the release of Keane's autobiography in 2002, Håland and Manchester City stated that they intended to take legal action against Keane.[13] However, it emerged that Håland had already admitted on his personal website that he had been playing with the injury to his left knee a few months, that it did not receive a knock in the game, and that Keane did not cause his injury

[No Fixed Abode]

But it wasn't like that was it, Barnes wasn't diving in.

Would be interested* to know how many 'leg breaking/career ending' fouls actually end up breaking a leg or ending a career.

The point is, if you go in for a challenge as Barnes did, it's the luck of the draw if you break someone's leg.

[TBM]

Your implication (or at least my inference) was that the Stevenage player has made a bad challenge despite not diving in. I was suggesting you probably could have found a better example to illustrate this, as in the on you have chosen, the 'breaker' wasn't even making a tackle.

Why? - 6ft said

But it wasn't like that was it (ie a leg breaking tackle), Barnes wasn't diving in.

So i reply with

Does it matter if you dive in or not? - its the angle and position that you catch the leg that can break it....

and use the above image to prove that legs can be broken even when nobody dives in.

[jd82]

I would argue that Oviedo has dived in a bit, but i accept your point and cheerfully withdraw my objections to your well made and succinct arguement

[TBM]

I would argue that Oviedo has dived in a bit, but i accept your point and cheerfully withdraw my objections to your well made and succinct arguement

Tanks

Maybe cmonurz image above is a better example.

[jd82]

I was going to say that, but now we're getting on I didn't want to rock the boat.

[TBM]

I was going to say that, but now we're getting on I didn't want to rock the boat.

[6ft Kerplunk]

But it wasn't like that was it, Barnes wasn't diving in.

Would be interested* to know how many 'leg breaking/career ending' fouls actually end up breaking a leg or ending a career.

The point is, if you go in for a challenge as Barnes did, it's the luck of the draw if you break someone's leg.

But as TBM is pointing out its luck of the draw whether you break someone's leg even if you don't go in dangerously. I was just pointing out that despite, your friends and mine, the pundits going on about career ending tackles all the time they rarely are. The only way to prevent career ending tackles is to ban tackling. Nobody wants that. Do we see less broken legs now than 20/30 years ago before they started clamping down in reckless tackles?