Links to slavery?

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Links to slavery?

by SCIAG » 28 Jul 2015 11:13

Calling all ownership doom mongers...

Pretty horrifying article here about people trafficking and forced labour on Thai fishing boats.

The article specifically names Thai Union Frozen Products as a company who buy fish from slave boats. This was co-founded by Cheng Niruttinanon, and the Niruttinanon group remains a major shareholder. Narin Niruttinanon, son of Cheng, is our present majority shareholder, and Deputy General Manager of a Thai Union subsidiary - he also owns a whopping 0.7% of the parent company. This is his day job.

I don't want to get unduly hysterical, so here is the company's response (from the NYT article):
Sasinan Allmand, the head of corporate communications for Thai Union Frozen Products, said that her company does routine audits of its canneries and boats in port to ensure against forced and child labor. The audits involve checking crew members’ contracts, passports, proof of payment and working conditions. “We will not tolerate any human trafficking or any human rights violation of any kind,” she said. Asked whether audits are conducted on the fishing boats that stay at sea, like the one where Mr. Long was captive, she declined to respond.


They've just pledged to audit their shrimp supply chain: http://www.undercurrentnews.com/2015/07 ... d-by-2016/

Seems fairly likely that one of our major shareholders wouldn't be quite so rich if his company didn't benefit from modern-day slavery, to say the least. At least they're making the right noises, but I think this is pretty embarrassing for them and, by extension, Reading and Sheffield Wednesday. Important not to get carried away, we're not owned by a professional trafficker or anything, but this is probably the closest to actual scandal we'll get.

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Re: Links to slavery?

by Nameless » 28 Jul 2015 11:18

Closer than how the Zingaravich family allegedly made their money, or SJM's tangle with Paloma Faith ?

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Re: Links to slavery?

by WoodleyRoyal » 28 Jul 2015 12:09

I for one am outraged, always new there was something fishy about them. Resurrect Maxwell all is forgiven :!:

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Re: Links to slavery?

by floyd__streete » 28 Jul 2015 12:32

I'd suggest that if you wanted to support an ethical football club then Reading FC perhaps isn't the choice for you.

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Re: Links to slavery?

by Vision » 28 Jul 2015 12:34

floyd__streete I'd suggest that if you wanted to support an ethical football club then Reading FC perhaps isn't the choice for you.


Oxymoron FC ?


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Re: Links to slavery?

by floyd__streete » 28 Jul 2015 12:36

^ Fair.

But this isn't the RFC of 'The Reading Way' any more. I'd say that all disappeared in January 2012.

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Re: Links to slavery?

by Nameless » 28 Jul 2015 12:38

Let's come up with a list of 'ethical' football clubs.....

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Re: Links to slavery?

by Nameless » 28 Jul 2015 12:38

floyd__streete ^ Fair.

But this isn't the RFC of 'The Reading Way' any more. I'd say that all disappeared in January 2012.



Considering how much stick 'The Reading Way' used to get on here is that a bad thing ?

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Re: Links to slavery?

by PeterReadingborn59 » 28 Jul 2015 12:45

floyd__streete I'd suggest that if you wanted to support an ethical football club then Reading FC perhaps isn't the choice for you.

Are you judging too early? and
Does the owners' actions away from football condemn a club?

Reading FC does a lot of work in the community and has embraced diversity and ethical standards and practices.


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Re: Links to slavery?

by John Smith » 28 Jul 2015 18:43

Nameless Let's come up with a list of 'ethical' football clubs.....

Forest Green Rovers

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Re: Links to slavery?

by Nameless » 28 Jul 2015 18:55

West Ham are a club with close links to Ethics

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Re: Links to slavery?

by marlowuk » 28 Jul 2015 19:12

Nameless West Ham are a club with close links to Ethics

I think you mean ' West Ham are a club which closed links to Ethics'. Tevez-gate? Socks-gate?

Colchester United, on the other hand, do have links with Ethics as in their motto (TOWIE)!

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Re: Links to slavery?

by Scutterbucketz » 28 Jul 2015 20:23

I shall reserve judgement until I see how much they spend in this transfer window.


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Re: Links to slavery?

by me » 28 Jul 2015 20:30

Indeed Nameless, the only way is ethics

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Re: Links to slavery?

by Royal Ginger » 29 Jul 2015 01:58

Nameless West Ham are a club with closed doors to Ethnics

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Re: Links to slavery?

by Forbury Lion » 29 Jul 2015 12:01

Nameless Let's come up with a list of 'ethical' football clubs.....
AFC Wimbledon.... or has the rot set in there too?

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Re: Links to slavery?

by Z175 » 29 Jul 2015 13:20

So called "developed countries" have centuries of established law and rights. When dealing with other countries of varying degrees of development, there are generally fewer laws or less adherrence to it. In my opinion the answer to preventing such practices that we from our cosy protected world find abhorrent is to open up to them and trade with them and assist their development so that laws and rights become increasingly established. We may see the public face of Thailand form the Reading website but in a country with so many coups and persistent areas of civil war and even massacres alongside the border with Burma this is not a country where anyone with money is necessarily going to be whiter than white.

However the daughter of Sasima is (I believe) a known pro-democracy protestor and the frozen Fish business doesn't smell of illegitimate wealth to me.

So while we can't hold Thai shareholders to the same degree of scrutiny as we might someone with wealth made from the UK, the answer is to welcome them and export our culture and values to help discourage anything that you couldn't make money form in the UK, such as slave powered fishing boats.

I wouldn't accept a slave trader (or a wanted arms dealer like the Gaydamak bloke at Pompey) as owner but using such suppliers in thailand is probably to be expected.

So in my opinion the statement made by the company is reassuring. If the Thai Union Frozen Products Co is providing an incentive for suppliers to abandon such horrors then that is what economic development is all about and we should actually celebrate such links rather than condemn them.

If the alternative is that Thai investors don't own Reading and Sheff Wed and that modern slavery continues across the world, are we happy about that?

(Plenty of examples of modern day slavery in the UK sadly, but I think you are less likely to be able to get away with it.)

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Re: Links to slavery?

by Green » 29 Jul 2015 13:53

Shepshed Dynamo

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Re: Links to slavery?

by Rea Ding » 30 Jul 2015 00:02

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Nameless Let's come up with a list of 'ethical' football clubs.....

Forest Green Rovers

:lol: this made me laugh, i dont even know why

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