by strap » 20 Sep 2015 18:42
by P!ssed Off » 20 Sep 2015 19:17
by strap » 20 Sep 2015 19:22
P!ssed Off Why have you decided coming on as a sub does not count as an appearance?
Hopefully your other stats aren't this flawed, normally a fan.
by P!ssed Off » 20 Sep 2015 19:28
strapP!ssed Off Why have you decided coming on as a sub does not count as an appearance?
Hopefully your other stats aren't this flawed, normally a fan.
Simply because it doesn't. A substitute appearance generally lasts around 20-25 mins, whereas a start generally lasts around 65-70 mins.
I will do a quick check what the average substitute duration is ... give me a moment.
by From Despair To Where? » 20 Sep 2015 19:42
by harry » 20 Sep 2015 19:52
From Despair To Where? What I find a bit about those stats is that despite being involved in 202 games, Hal Robson-Kanu has played the full 90 minutes in less than a quarter of them (43 games). He has been subbed in something approaching two thirds of his starts.
by P!ssed Off » 20 Sep 2015 19:57
strapP!ssed Off Why have you decided coming on as a sub does not count as an appearance?
Hopefully your other stats aren't this flawed, normally a fan.
Simply because it doesn't. A substitute appearance generally lasts around 20-25 mins, whereas a start generally lasts around 65-70 mins.
I will do a quick check what the average substitute duration is ... give me a moment.
My record of actual timings is not complete before 1996/7 season, and I have a few minor gaps after that. However, in the league, since the start of 1996/97 season there have been 2014 substitutions where I have the time. On average these substitutions are made on 70 minutes, (69.6857 minutes to be precise). In my opinion, a substitute appearance of 20 minutes doesn't compare to a player playing the full 90, not indeed to the substituted player who, on average, plays 70 minutes from the start of a game. (Yes I know you are going to quote Nicky Forster in the play-off semi v Wigan, ditto Jamie Cureton in the Div 2 promo decider at Griffin Park, but you then miss out all the 90+3 subs made to run down the clock).
If you are really offended by my not including subs as actual appearances, may I suggest you look at the table and simply add the starts to the subs? It's hardly Quantum Mechanics!
Although as is often the way, your comment has sparked another question in my mind - has the average time of substitutions changed over the years? I'll look into that now. I seem to remember I did something similar about average substitute numbers and times by manager when comparing Sir Steve Coppell to Pardew et al. Will dig that out again and update for McD, Adkins and Clarke shortly.
Oh, and the only reason I have not included cups matches is because those going to extra time result in substitutions beyond 90 minutes, which would skew the numbers a bit.
HTH.
by strap » 20 Sep 2015 19:58
P!ssed OffstrapP!ssed Off Why have you decided coming on as a sub does not count as an appearance?
Hopefully your other stats aren't this flawed, normally a fan.
Simply because it doesn't. A substitute appearance generally lasts around 20-25 mins, whereas a start generally lasts around 65-70 mins.
I will do a quick check what the average substitute duration is ... give me a moment.
If a player enters the field of play during the match he has accrued one appearance. It's completely irrelevant how long he's on the pitch,
by strap » 20 Sep 2015 19:59
P!ssed Off Can I suggest that in future you subscribe to the standard definition of 'appearance' to avoid confusion.
Thanks.
by P!ssed Off » 20 Sep 2015 20:08
strapP!ssed Offstrap Simply because it doesn't. A substitute appearance generally lasts around 20-25 mins, whereas a start generally lasts around 65-70 mins.
I will do a quick check what the average substitute duration is ... give me a moment.
If a player enters the field of play during the match he has accrued one appearance. It's completely irrelevant how long he's on the pitch,
Which of course is utter b*ll*cks. You are basing this on the international system, which explains why so many players have so many International Caps these days. Nevertheless, I shall retain my format and leave you to carry out some minor basic arithmetic, (should you wish to), to arrive at your rather odd comparator.
by strap » 20 Sep 2015 20:19
strap Although as is often the way, your comment has sparked another question in my mind - has the average time of substitutions changed over the years?
by strap » 20 Sep 2015 21:43
harryFrom Despair To Where? What I find a bit about those stats is that despite being involved in 202 games, Hal Robson-Kanu has played the full 90 minutes in less than a quarter of them (43 games). He has been subbed in something approaching two thirds of his starts.
Seems like some conclusions may be possible regarding those stats.....
Picking up on the previous point about appearances being appearances regardless of how long for, I'd be interested to see minutes played.
by strap » 20 Sep 2015 21:47
P!ssed Off Alternatively you could just say "look who's made the most starts" and not pretend that only starts count as appearances.
If you can't even get this right I wonder what other statistics you may have misled us with.
by Ian Royal » 20 Sep 2015 22:24
P!ssed OffstrapP!ssed Off Why have you decided coming on as a sub does not count as an appearance?
Hopefully your other stats aren't this flawed, normally a fan.
Simply because it doesn't. A substitute appearance generally lasts around 20-25 mins, whereas a start generally lasts around 65-70 mins.
I will do a quick check what the average substitute duration is ... give me a moment.
If a player enters the field of play during the match he has accrued one appearance. It's completely irrelevant how long he's on the pitch,
by P!ssed Off » 20 Sep 2015 22:56
Ian RoyalP!ssed Offstrap Simply because it doesn't. A substitute appearance generally lasts around 20-25 mins, whereas a start generally lasts around 65-70 mins.
I will do a quick check what the average substitute duration is ... give me a moment.
If a player enters the field of play during the match he has accrued one appearance. It's completely irrelevant how long he's on the pitch,
No offence PO, but it's strap's database so he can make the rules. And you don't get to dictate to him.
by Ian Royal » 20 Sep 2015 23:15
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by loyalroyal4life » 21 Sep 2015 08:52
Ian Royal I'm glad you're here, you make me look less of an arse.
by Platypuss » 21 Sep 2015 09:16
P!ssed Off Appearances = starts + subs. This is the standard definition.
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