CheLOLsea

[Zammo]

Hi Kes - how are Chelsea doing?

Can you ask me these questions on one thread? It's hard to keep track when they're posted all over the place.

Asking you about Chelsea on the Chelsea thread. Yeah, tough one.

[Sanguine]

Hi Kes - how are Chelsea doing?

Can you ask me these questions on one thread? It's hard to keep track when they're posted all over the place.

Asking you about Chelsea on the Chelsea thread. Yeah, tough one.

[No Fixed Abode]

Hi Kes - how are Chelsea doing?

Can you ask me these questions on one thread? It's hard to keep track when they're posted all over the place.

Asking you about Chelsea on the Chelsea thread. Yeah, tough one.

Don't worry Zammo. RL will get the joke.

Calm down to a panic.

[Zammo]

Yeah, soz. Those LOLiverpool fans on the other thread are doing my swede in.

[LUX]

LIverpool are a fcking disaster of a club (all round)

But they are still>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chelsea, obviously.

[Ouroboros]

Yeah, soz. Those LOLiverpool fans on the other thread are doing my swede in.

Bless.

[Zammo]

Yeah, soz. Those LOLiverpool fans on the other thread are doing my swede in.

Bless.

[Hoop Blah]

This is an interesting* take on Mourinho from Matthew Syed (who I don't often agree too much with) in The Times.

Mourinho understands precious little about narrative and belonging. His motivational technique is based upon something very different: me, me, me. It is about the cult of the individual — Mourinho himself.

This is predicated, in turn, upon creating a sense of permanent crisis. He sees conspiracies everywhere. The referees, the Premier League, Uefa, the ballboys, the team doctor, Uncle Tom Cobley: whatever it takes to get his players to feel like they are enduring a siege.

In the short term, this technique works. Nobody wants to be in a siege, fighting for one’s life, and so the players respond. But over the long-term, it begins to grate. It is like a narcotic or a sugar rush: you need ever more crises to recruit ever dwindling amounts of emotional response, particularly when the players begin to see through the underlying charade. In the end, it becomes cloying.

They say that the Real Madrid players eventually became bored of Mourinho, but the truth is that they became ashamed of him. They saw him stab a finger into the eye of Tito Vilanova, his Barcelona rival. They observed him name four referees over whom Barcelona, supposedly, had “special power”. They watched as he was banished from the dugout during a Copa del Rey final and how he stormed out of the stadium without bothering to collect his loser’s medal from the King of Spain. They noted how he insulted the referee again in the car park.

Over three seasons, they saw him traduce, malign and infect — and, in the end, they couldn’t bear it. They were exhausted by the caricature running their club and his juvenile approach to leadership. And with the clarity that comes with time, they saw through it. Mourinho’s so-called third-season syndrome, his difficulty in creating long-term success at a club, is not mere misfortune: it is a direct consequence of his management technique. Some football managers you could imagine as leaders in different contexts, at, say, a great business or charity. These are the leaders who understand human nature and, by implication, how to create a sustainable, enriching culture.

Mourinho, however, is a cultural terrorist. He sucks whatever vitality there is in a culture into the black hole of his ego. He is an impressive tactician, to be sure, but when it comes to sustainability, he is all at sea. He is too immature, emotionally and philosophically, to create dynastic success, at a football club or anywhere else. What success he achieves comes by napalming the native culture, and then moving on.

His treatment of Eva Carneiro is a mere detail (albeit a shameful one). The arc of his career reveals the same theme. After losing the first leg of a Champions League match with Chelsea, he accused the referee of inviting an opposition coach into his room at half-time, which led to death threats against the referee and his premature retirement. On Saturday, he claimed that referees were “afraid” to give decisions to Chelsea, despite Southampton being denied two clear penalties.

Even the most one-eyed Chelsea fans are beginning to recognise that the notion of this man spending ten years at one club is inconceivable. They have realised that any club that hosted him for so long would become philosophically derelict. Chelsea will doubtless rebound in the coming months: with the players and money at the club’s disposal, you would expect that.

But there can be little doubt that, when you look at his career, Mourinho has scant comprehension of the motivation written into men’s hearts, and which can sustain itself over the long haul. He understands only the most dehumanising type of culture: the kind that emerges from maligning others while constantly trumpeting oneself — and which typically, with tired inevitability, implodes


I'd go along with most of that, ultimately he's just a pain in the arse.

[From Despair To Where?]

Absolutely magnificent analysis there by Matthew Syed. Basically what I've been saying for the last 8 years only far more eloquent.

Mourinho's ego is so rampantly out of control that it prevents him from comprehending his own fallibility. Ergo, it's everyone else's fault, a conspiracy.

[Ouroboros]

Yeah, it's not an unusual observation but it's put extremely well.

[Zammo]

Agreed. Very good read.

[Nameless]

Cue death threats for Syed.....

Would love to see him run into Jose in a corridor somewhere.

[Winston Smith]

Hard to argue against that article tbf

[Nameless]

Replace Jose with Martin Allen and you've got the same result. Mad Dog is great for going in and shaking a club up but hopeless and then building anything lasting. He seems to realise that and specialises in trouble shooting type management roles.
Once Jose leaves Chelsea you wonder where he can go. Can't see Italian or Spanish clubs wanting him. He'd go down well in Turkey.....

[sandman]

This is an interesting* take on Mourinho from Matthew Syed (who I don't often agree too much with) in The Times.

Mourinho understands precious little about narrative and belonging. His motivational technique is based upon something very different: me, me, me. It is about the cult of the individual — Mourinho himself.

This is predicated, in turn, upon creating a sense of permanent crisis. He sees conspiracies everywhere. The referees, the Premier League, Uefa, the ballboys, the team doctor, Uncle Tom Cobley: whatever it takes to get his players to feel like they are enduring a siege.

In the short term, this technique works. Nobody wants to be in a siege, fighting for one’s life, and so the players respond. But over the long-term, it begins to grate. It is like a narcotic or a sugar rush: you need ever more crises to recruit ever dwindling amounts of emotional response, particularly when the players begin to see through the underlying charade. In the end, it becomes cloying.

They say that the Real Madrid players eventually became bored of Mourinho, but the truth is that they became ashamed of him. They saw him stab a finger into the eye of Tito Vilanova, his Barcelona rival. They observed him name four referees over whom Barcelona, supposedly, had “special power”. They watched as he was banished from the dugout during a Copa del Rey final and how he stormed out of the stadium without bothering to collect his loser’s medal from the King of Spain. They noted how he insulted the referee again in the car park.

Over three seasons, they saw him traduce, malign and infect — and, in the end, they couldn’t bear it. They were exhausted by the caricature running their club and his juvenile approach to leadership. And with the clarity that comes with time, they saw through it. Mourinho’s so-called third-season syndrome, his difficulty in creating long-term success at a club, is not mere misfortune: it is a direct consequence of his management technique. Some football managers you could imagine as leaders in different contexts, at, say, a great business or charity. These are the leaders who understand human nature and, by implication, how to create a sustainable, enriching culture.

Mourinho, however, is a cultural terrorist. He sucks whatever vitality there is in a culture into the black hole of his ego. He is an impressive tactician, to be sure, but when it comes to sustainability, he is all at sea. He is too immature, emotionally and philosophically, to create dynastic success, at a football club or anywhere else. What success he achieves comes by napalming the native culture, and then moving on.

His treatment of Eva Carneiro is a mere detail (albeit a shameful one). The arc of his career reveals the same theme. After losing the first leg of a Champions League match with Chelsea, he accused the referee of inviting an opposition coach into his room at half-time, which led to death threats against the referee and his premature retirement. On Saturday, he claimed that referees were “afraid” to give decisions to Chelsea, despite Southampton being denied two clear penalties.

Even the most one-eyed Chelsea fans are beginning to recognise that the notion of this man spending ten years at one club is inconceivable. They have realised that any club that hosted him for so long would become philosophically derelict. Chelsea will doubtless rebound in the coming months: with the players and money at the club’s disposal, you would expect that.

But there can be little doubt that, when you look at his career, Mourinho has scant comprehension of the motivation written into men’s hearts, and which can sustain itself over the long haul. He understands only the most dehumanising type of culture: the kind that emerges from maligning others while constantly trumpeting oneself — and which typically, with tired inevitability, implodes


I'd go along with most of that, ultimately he's just a pain in the arse.

Can think of one that wouldn't agree with that...

[Extended-Phenotype]

Yeah, I can think of one obvious mistake he overplayed which led to the inciting the chelsea fanbase to dismaying degrees. But then they soon changed their tune wishing their then hero victim dead the minute he changed shirts, so maybe it's just a Chelsea thing.

[Angry Shed Sex]

They have the manager they deserve.

[AthleticoSpizz]

Twiceover

[Zammo]

Jose should sack the team chef as well.

[paultheroyal]

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