by Nameless » 10 Oct 2015 18:50
by Haag Royal » 10 Oct 2015 18:59
by tidus_mi2 » 10 Oct 2015 19:21
Haag Royal Please. Check your facts boys.
“Scoring seven goals, I ended up the highest-scoring midfielder in the Premier League in Reading’s history,
I do not hate him. I just do not rate him and there is a big difference.......
by tmesis » 11 Oct 2015 12:09
Nameless He'd be a fool to claim he was our best midfielder, can't recall him ever Starting a game in midfield. Unless you are a fan of the bizarre modern belief that a winger is a midfielder....
by Nameless » 11 Oct 2015 13:39
tmesisNameless He'd be a fool to claim he was our best midfielder, can't recall him ever Starting a game in midfield. Unless you are a fan of the bizarre modern belief that a winger is a midfielder....
Modern?
In a standard British 4-4-2, it always meant four defenders, four midfielders, two attackers.
...and two of those midfielders would be wingers. Why else would there need to be the distinction between midfielder and central midfielder, if by your definition, all midfielders play in the centre?
by tmesis » 11 Oct 2015 16:05
NamelesstmesisNameless He'd be a fool to claim he was our best midfielder, can't recall him ever Starting a game in midfield. Unless you are a fan of the bizarre modern belief that a winger is a midfielder....
Modern?
In a standard British 4-4-2, it always meant four defenders, four midfielders, two attackers.
...and two of those midfielders would be wingers. Why else would there need to be the distinction between midfielder and central midfielder, if by your definition, all midfielders play in the centre?
Wingers are attacking players. Not midfielders. Glenn Little was a winger, Stephen Quinn plays a wide midfield role.
The 4-4-2 system as used by Alf Ramsey was referred to as 'the wingless wonders' system because it used 4 midfielders and no wingers.
Not sure about the 4 central midfielders point, obviously the midfield can be configured in numerous ways and having 2 central and two wide midfielders is common as is having holding and attacking ones.
But for me a winger is a specific role that is degraded by using it to describe left and right sided midfielders.
by Haag Royal » 11 Oct 2015 19:02
NamelesstmesisNameless He'd be a fool to claim he was our best midfielder, can't recall him ever Starting a game in midfield. Unless you are a fan of the bizarre modern belief that a winger is a midfielder....
Modern?
In a standard British 4-4-2, it always meant four defenders, four midfielders, two attackers.
...and two of those midfielders would be wingers. Why else would there need to be the distinction between midfielder and central midfielder, if by your definition, all midfielders play in the centre?
Wingers are attacking players. Not midfielders. Glenn Little was a winger, Stephen Quinn plays a wide midfield role.
The 4-4-2 system as used by Alf Ramsey was referred to as 'the wingless wonders' system because it used 4 midfielders and no wingers.
Not sure about the 4 central midfielders point, obviously the midfield can be configured in numerous ways and having 2 central and two wide midfielders is common as is having holding and attacking ones.
But for me a winger is a specific role that is degraded by using it to describe left and right sided midfielders.
by Nameless » 11 Oct 2015 20:05
tmesis That's kind of the problem right there.
You've invented your own interpretation which would see the traditional play of a generation ago, where every team had two wingers, as something that ought to be called 4-2-4, whereas everyone else calls it 4-4-2, with the two wide players being wingers taken as read.
by From Despair To Where? » 11 Oct 2015 21:22
tmesisNamelesstmesis Modern?
In a standard British 4-4-2, it always meant four defenders, four midfielders, two attackers.
...and two of those midfielders would be wingers. Why else would there need to be the distinction between midfielder and central midfielder, if by your definition, all midfielders play in the centre?
Wingers are attacking players. Not midfielders. Glenn Little was a winger, Stephen Quinn plays a wide midfield role.
The 4-4-2 system as used by Alf Ramsey was referred to as 'the wingless wonders' system because it used 4 midfielders and no wingers.
Not sure about the 4 central midfielders point, obviously the midfield can be configured in numerous ways and having 2 central and two wide midfielders is common as is having holding and attacking ones.
But for me a winger is a specific role that is degraded by using it to describe left and right sided midfielders.
That's kind of the problem right there.
You've invented your own interpretation which would see the traditional play of a generation ago, where every team had two wingers, as something that ought to be called 4-2-4, whereas everyone else calls it 4-4-2, with the two wide players being wingers taken as read.
by Nameless » 11 Oct 2015 21:56
by Extended-Phenotype » 12 Oct 2015 08:47
by weybridgewanderer » 12 Oct 2015 09:46
by Ian Royal » 12 Oct 2015 09:58
Extended-Phenotype Ftr, Kebe always used to introduce himself on bbcrb as a midfielder.
Wingers are a type of midfielder, just like central midfielder, attacking midfielder or holding midfielder. It's not particularly complicated.
by Nameless » 12 Oct 2015 10:04
Extended-Phenotype Ftr, Kebe always used to introduce himself on bbcrb as a midfielder.
Wingers are a type of midfielder, just like central midfielder, attacking midfielder or holding midfielder. It's not particularly complicated.
by genome » 12 Oct 2015 10:08
by Nameless » 12 Oct 2015 10:16
genome Jesus christ, does it fcuking matter?
by genome » 12 Oct 2015 10:20
by Nameless » 12 Oct 2015 10:36
genome Does anything really matter?
Something to ponder on a Monday morning.
by billybraggsbeard » 12 Oct 2015 15:07
by Nameless » 12 Oct 2015 15:49
billybraggsbeard As Hal states in the interview with the Guardian he does play a different role for Wales, it's been effective, but he still doesn't score.
His best role for us is still out wide chucking decent crosses over.
It was obvious he would work his arse off this season as he is out of contract at the end of it and that will give Hammond a problem as he's going to the euro's which will up his ability to negotiate a better contract
One other thing that came from the interview was the song by the Barry Horns for him
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