Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by Extended-Phenotype » 14 Apr 2016 15:04

Who from the youth would be play, John Smith?

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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by Maguire » 14 Apr 2016 15:34

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Maguire People clamouring for Brian to start youth players (and I don't think there's a single good reason to do this) are the same people who will use the subsequent inevitable defeat to beat him up with too.

I'm amazed anybody is questioning the manager's position, it's totally mindless.

I'd rather see youth play than the dogshit on loan. Could you please voice your argument for continuing with the current crop who will be leaving in 5 (valueless) games. Are you a Vydra apologist?


I think we should put out the best team we possibly can to finish the season with some decent results and take us into next season with some optimism.

Playing youth players before they're ready to step up just means we'll get beat, we'll finish the season badly, we'll go into the summer on a losing streak and chumps on here will be starting threads about how Kuhl/Novakovich/whoever else will "never make it".

As to your last question, I'm not sure what one of those is.

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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by Forbury Lion » 14 Apr 2016 16:45

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John Smith Could you please voice your argument for continuing with the current crop who will be leaving in 5 (valueless) games. Are you a Vydra apologist?
We need 1 point to be mathematically safe from relegation, whilst I'm confident we will avoid relegation there is an argument for not taking risks until you are safe.

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It may be a pathetic argument, but it is an argument/reason and maybe that's what's in Brian's head.

I think we will be safe - not because I'm certain we'll get any further points this season but because it's unlikely Wimbledon will win all of their remaining games, So if I was the manager I would be looking to experiment ahead of next season.

Interestingly, I bet our odds of being relegated are still shorter than Leicesters odds of winning the league were at the start of the year.

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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by Ian Royal » 14 Apr 2016 17:50

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Maguire People clamouring for Brian to start youth players (and I don't think there's a single good reason to do this) are the same people who will use the subsequent inevitable defeat to beat him up with too.

I'm amazed anybody is questioning the manager's position, it's totally mindless.

I'd rather see youth play than the dogshit on loan. Could you please voice your argument for continuing with the current crop who will be leaving in 5 (valueless) games. Are you a Vydra apologist?


I think we should put out the best team we possibly can to finish the season with some decent results and take us into next season with some optimism.

Playing youth players before they're ready to step up just means we'll get beat, we'll finish the season badly, we'll go into the summer on a losing streak and chumps on here will be starting threads about how Kuhl/Novakovich/whoever else will "never make it".

As to your last question, I'm not sure what one of those is.

Personally I'd want to keep the youth side as far away from the moody fans, disjointed squad and losing habit we currently have.

And most of the ones anywhere near the first team are all on loan anyway.

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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by John Smith » 15 Apr 2016 09:22

Extended-Phenotype Who from the youth would be play, John Smith?

Most of my choices are out on loan but seeing as both full backs limped off I'd like to see Keown given a chance. Give game time to Kuhl, Novakovich and Liburd too. No point having these lads if they're not going to play.

We saw at Derby last season the effect of a lack of pressure can have, my point is let's try that mentality again, just a few games earlier, and stop wasting time on people who won't be there in a month's time.

You get me?


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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by Zammo » 15 Apr 2016 09:36

We’ve arguably got worse with McDermott and now players are fighting amongst themselves. McD didn’t cover himself with glory on the radio this week either. I don’t think there is any doubt that we have / had a squad capable of achieving something this season, so clearly his second spell hasn’t worked. Get rid.

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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by Top Flight » 15 Apr 2016 09:42

Zammo We’ve arguably got worse with McDermott and now players are fighting amongst themselves. McD didn’t cover himself with glory on the radio this week either. I don’t think there is any doubt that we have / had a squad capable of achieving something this season, so clearly his second spell hasn’t worked. Get rid.


Are you for real?

He hasn't even had a summer transfer window yet. If nobody is prepared to be patient then we have no chance as a club of achieving anything ever again.

I didn't want Steve Clarke to be sacked because a manager needs time. And since he was sacked and now McDermott has been appointed. I don't want McDermott getting the sack. He needs to be given the time, resources and support to be able to do his job. No manager can do a job without those things.

You could appoint Mourinho, but he will need more than a couple of transfer windows to sort out the team and if he isn't given the resources to do it then even he will struggle to get a good side together.

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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by Maneki Neko » 15 Apr 2016 09:47

Zammo We’ve arguably got worse with McDermott and now players are fighting amongst themselves. McD didn’t cover himself with glory on the radio this week either. I don’t think there is any doubt that we have / had a squad capable of achieving something this season, so clearly his second spell hasn’t worked. Get rid.


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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by Zammo » 15 Apr 2016 09:49

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Zammo We’ve arguably got worse with McDermott and now players are fighting amongst themselves. McD didn’t cover himself with glory on the radio this week either. I don’t think there is any doubt that we have / had a squad capable of achieving something this season, so clearly his second spell hasn’t worked. Get rid.


Are you for real?



I am for real.

He already had a great squad in place. I could have managed them to a play-off place FFS. Instead they are fighting each other. TOP MANAGER.


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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by Zammo » 15 Apr 2016 09:50

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Zammo We’ve arguably got worse with McDermott and now players are fighting amongst themselves. McD didn’t cover himself with glory on the radio this week either. I don’t think there is any doubt that we have / had a squad capable of achieving something this season, so clearly his second spell hasn’t worked. Get rid.


:lol:


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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by Extended-Phenotype » 15 Apr 2016 10:56

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Zammo We’ve arguably got worse with McDermott and now players are fighting amongst themselves. McD didn’t cover himself with glory on the radio this week either. I don’t think there is any doubt that we have / had a squad capable of achieving something this season, so clearly his second spell hasn’t worked. Get rid.


Are you for real?



I am for real.

He already had a great squad in place. I could have managed them to a play-off place FFS.


You couldn't manage a fart without shitting your pants

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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by Zammo » 15 Apr 2016 11:04

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I am for real.

He already had a great squad in place. I could have managed them to a play-off place FFS.


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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by P!ssed Off » 15 Apr 2016 18:44

There will always be an excuse not to play young players.
"We're playing well".
"We're not playing well."

A new one that Mags came out with recently was: "If they were any good, they would already be playing." How does anyone ever get a promotion under that logic.

All clubs have good players in their academies. Yet he chance of their success varies massively depending on the manager's attitude. Pochettino, LvG, Klopp give opportunities where other managers don't.

I'm sure a large proportion of PL managers would have stuck Depay or some other useless pcunt up front and gone nowhere near Rashford. I'm sure Man Utd's Maguire's will be calling for the reintroduction of Rooney who's been bang average for years and isn't likely to improve.

The fact is Reading FC has a youth academy that rivals the top English clubs, yet too few players are progressing, particularly considering the 1st team is so shit. Management past and present has to take a large proportion of the blame.

This week we've been trying to convince England U16 striker Danny Loader to stay at the club and enter the U18s. We've played him in the U21 game and had him training with the first team.

If Loader is smart he'll ignore the last minute attempts to convince him to stay and move on in the Summer. McDermott can go and watch as many Youth games as he likes, it's his team selections that betray his real attitude to youth development.

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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by Lower West » 15 Apr 2016 20:06

Zammo McD didn’t cover himself with glory on the radio this week either.


As a fan I don't want to hear a journo on a personal rant. Having listened to virtually all the post match interviews/shows I can say Dellor is becoming repetitively boring on this topic. Fully understand McD's frustration. A single incident doesn't decide a game.

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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by sandman » 15 Apr 2016 20:14

If Vydra didn't repetitively miss the goal then Dellor wouldn't have to ask the question.

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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by SCIAG » 15 Apr 2016 20:49

P!ssed Off If Loader is smart he'll ignore the last minute attempts to convince him to stay and move on in the Summer. McDermott can go and watch as many Youth games as he likes, it's his team selections that betray his real attitude to youth development.

Agree with much of what you say but this is a bit off.

It feels like we've gone backwards since Adkins left, but Cooper and Tshibola have established themselves and Obita has held off Taylor. Some of our summer signings were redundant, it would have been better to play Kuhl and Fosu/Stacey than Fernandez and Hurtado. We've sent more players out on loan, and we've had an injury crisis and a collapse in form in the U21s. McDermott's given game time to Liburd and Barrett. Given the form of the U21s and that most of our promising players are unavailable, I totally understand why McDermott hasn't been picking them. I think the team he builds over the summer will tell us more about his attitude than his selections right now.

Loader, like Thomas Lyskov or Jordi Osei-Tutu, would be better off staying at Reading than jumping ship because a big club have come calling. If he goes to Crewe or Barnsley or Colchester then fair play to him. Somehow I think that's unlikely.

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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by P!ssed Off » 16 Apr 2016 01:15

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P!ssed Off If Loader is smart he'll ignore the last minute attempts to convince him to stay and move on in the Summer. McDermott can go and watch as many Youth games as he likes, it's his team selections that betray his real attitude to youth development.

Agree with much of what you say but this is a bit off.

It feels like we've gone backwards since Adkins left, but Cooper and Tshibola have established themselves and Obita has held off Taylor. Some of our summer signings were redundant, it would have been better to play Kuhl and Fosu/Stacey than Fernandez and Hurtado. We've sent more players out on loan, and we've had an injury crisis and a collapse in form in the U21s. McDermott's given game time to Liburd and Barrett. Given the form of the U21s and that most of our promising players are unavailable, I totally understand why McDermott hasn't been picking them. I think the team he builds over the summer will tell us more about his attitude than his selections right now.

Loader, like Thomas Lyskov or Jordi Osei-Tutu, would be better off staying at Reading than jumping ship because a big club have come calling. If he goes to Crewe or Barnsley or Colchester then fair play to him. Somehow I think that's unlikely.


Behave... Liburd's almost 24 and Barrett's had six minutes.

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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by sandman » 16 Apr 2016 01:34

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sandman If Vydra didn't repetitively miss the goal then Dellor wouldn't have to ask the question.

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Re: Sack The Manager... REALLY?!

by Sutekh » 16 Apr 2016 17:49

The current mess is all down to Zingarevich

There is no way the idiot should have sacked Brian given that he had no money.

Nigel Adkins then got the rough side of it all with nothing but empty promises and no money meaning his eventual removal was inevitable.

Steve Clarke was a good appointment but a very odd summer where presumably he actually had limited funds, meaning some strange decisions on backroom staff and leaving us with numbers being made up by far too many loans, seemed to back him into a corner where he wasnt happy so he marked his card by choosing to speak to Fulham and then his lack of management prowess saw him rightly removed.

While I was hoping for someone like Pearson to come in as manager we ended up with the usual Reading way and the standard "cheap" option and Brian back. Now this has happened all those saying he should be sacked are just wrong.

Sacking him is ridiculous as he has to have time to sort this mess of playing catastrophes out and therefore should have the summer to build a side that can forge the foundations of a successful squad. If no new shoots are appearing by November then is the time to reassess the situation.

But until Brian has had the close season to make the necessary decisions then we support him - and we know that he has been able to build a decent, competitive Championship level squad from youth, loans and smart captures from the lower divisions before so on the back of that at least hasn't he earned a summer free from sniping and silly demands for his sacking?

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