How impressed are you with BMcD's return to the club?

[genome]

Different club, different circumstances. As others have pointed out Rotherham have a more stable infrastructure and a group of players willing to work for each other, just needed the right man to come in and it clicked. Reading don't have that.

What about QPR anyway? Similar deal to Reading. Talented players that don't make a great team. It doesn't make my question invalid either just because something different happened at another club.

[No Fixed Abode]

Different club, different circumstances.

Yep - a lower level of player in general and a squad which cost less and a much lower wage bill.

[genome]

Shall we compare Leicester and Chelsea's budgets and league positions?

[Top Flight]

Or Southampton and Chelsea
Or Stoke and Chelsea
Or even Watford and Chelsea

Chelsea have been a massive disappointment this year.
Very embarrassing.

[No Fixed Abode]

Shall we compare Leicester and Chelsea's budgets and league positions?

What's the thread of this title?

[genome]

What's the thread of this title?

Anyway, you brought other clubs into it, so I am going to do the same

[Hampshire Royal]

I'm waiting until the odds for Reading winning the Championship come out. I'll have a cheeky bet at odds of 5000/1.

[genome]

I'm waiting until the odds for Reading winning the Championship come out. I'll have a cheeky bet at odds of 5000/1.

Currently joint 2nd favourite according to Sky Bet!

[Hampshire Royal]

I'm waiting until the odds for Reading winning the Championship come out. I'll have a cheeky bet at odds of 5000/1.

Currently joint 2nd favourite according to Sky Bet!

They obviously don't read HNA?

[Armadillo Roadkill]

I'm not saying I think he should be sacked, yet, but those of you that defend him at any price are starting to run out of credible reasons why the recent appalling form is beyond the manager's control.

It is valid to point out other managers at other clubs have had more success taking over crap teams and improving results - it suggests that a team's performance can be heavily influenced by the manager. Whereas we have a manager who appears to be powerless to halt the decline.

If the owners invest in the summer, and Brian still fails to make a mark, then we'll be back where we are now. He'll get sacked, and we'll ne waiting for a seasons to play out with a new manager who will be unaccountable for any long run of defeats because "it's not his team." That's a big gamble.

So on no measure at all can anyone really be impressed with what Brian has achieved so far, because if anything, things have got worse. You'll come up with loads of excuses - too many loanees, end of season, the wrong owners, the wrong shirts, the wrong pitch etc. etc.

But 5 defeats and one draw in the last six brings to mind words like "tailspin" and "league 1."

[No Fixed Abode]

I'm waiting until the odds for Reading winning the Championship come out. I'll have a cheeky bet at odds of 5000/1.

Currently joint 2nd favourite according to Sky Bet!

Why are you so shocked when BM is doing such an amazing job?

[Forbury Lion]

When McDermott first became Reading manager he had the right players and just had to get them working together effectively

This time around, he doesn't have the right players, probably doesn't have the right coaching staff and now doesn't have the right director of football...... let him get rid of the deadwood, sadly not at inflated prices now that Hammond has gone (maybe that's partly why he's gone, he realised he couldn't perform miracles giving the current players away, never mind selling them).

[Ian Royal]

I'm not saying I think he should be sacked, yet, but those of you that defend him at any price are starting to run out of credible reasons why the recent appalling form is beyond the manager's control.

It is valid to point out other managers at other clubs have had more success taking over crap teams and improving results - it suggests that a team's performance can be heavily influenced by the manager. Whereas we have a manager who appears to be powerless to halt the decline.

If the owners invest in the summer, and Brian still fails to make a mark, then we'll be back where we are now. He'll get sacked, and we'll ne waiting for a seasons to play out with a new manager who will be unaccountable for any long run of defeats because "it's not his team." That's a big gamble.

So on no measure at all can anyone really be impressed with what Brian has achieved so far, because if anything, things have got worse. You'll come up with loads of excuses - too many loanees, end of season, the wrong owners, the wrong shirts, the wrong pitch etc. etc.

But 5 defeats and one draw in the last six brings to mind words like "tailspin" and "league 1."

No one is happy with how it's going currently. We all hoped he'd have a bigger and better impact. The difference is, there are people who realise that you don't judge whether to sack someone after half a season when there's no imminent danger of relegation, and they've had little chance to rebuild a quite obviously poorly put together team.

Not only that, but we've tried switching manager to get success several times in recent years to literally zero credible success. The time comes, when you have to decide to go with some stability even if it doesn't mean success, because it's damn sure that constant chopping and changing won't bring. The club needs time to settle back into a rhythm and identity. Let McDermott have a decent crack of the whip to build something and if it doesn't work, then at least we've had 18 months of the same thing and not three different managers trying to set the team up in contradictory ways.

[genome]

I'm waiting until the odds for Reading winning the Championship come out. I'll have a cheeky bet at odds of 5000/1.

Currently joint 2nd favourite according to Sky Bet!

Why are you so shocked when BM is doing such an amazing job?

Who said that?

[Longhorn1970]

I think it's perfectly valid to take consider the fact he's not had a chance to build his own team when answering the thread's question.

It's a good job Warnock has been given time to build a squad at Rotherham.

+1 excuses excuses for BM all we hear ..

[Lower West]

I'm not saying I think he should be sacked, yet, but those of you that defend him at any price are starting to run out of credible reasons why the recent appalling form is beyond the manager's control.

Adkins and Clarke were given more time.

[Ian Royal]

I'm not saying I think he should be sacked, yet, but those of you that defend him at any price are starting to run out of credible reasons why the recent appalling form is beyond the manager's control.

Adkins and Clarke were given more time.

McDermott has got the same number of points in his first 24 matches that Clarke got in his first 25. He was doing considerably better than Clarke's start until this total arse of a slump, of which at least half the games have seen decent performances and unfortunate results. Compared to Clarke's end to the season where we just looked abject a lot of the time.

If, with support, Clarke can turn his toss around (albeit very temporarily) after losing some quality long serving players, I don't see why McDermott can't significantly improve on where we're at, after losing a bunch of loan failures.

[Longhorn1970]

I'm not saying I think he should be sacked, yet, but those of you that defend him at any price are starting to run out of credible reasons why the recent appalling form is beyond the manager's control.

Adkins and Clarke were given more time.

McDermott has got the same number of points in his first 24 matches that Clarke got in his first 25. He was doing considerably better than Clarke's start until this total arse of a slump, of which at least half the games have seen decent performances and unfortunate results. Compared to Clarke's end to the season where we just looked abject a lot of the time.

If, with support, Clarke can turn his toss around (albeit very temporarily) after losing some quality long serving players, I don't see why McDermott can't significantly improve on where we're at, after losing a bunch of loan failures.

Comparisons don't really help BM right now, the start and finish of our season are like night and day ! Precisely how long do you give the chosen one to turn things around ? Or at what stage will the powers that be say enuff 's enuff !

[Winston Smith]

Still very much behind Bri Bri but 4 wins in 21 has been awful.

[Longhorn1970]

Still very much behind Bri Bri but 4 wins in 21 has been awful.

Woeful from him ..