by Elm Park Kid » 10 May 2016 17:05
by Longhorn1970 » 10 May 2016 17:11
Elm Park Kid I have faith in Brian so i'm optimistic as well.
As normal, i'm expecting to have to wait until November before his team click though. I just hope we don't have too much moaning from fickle fans expecting a brand new team to spanking teams 5-0 every week.
by Top Flight » 10 May 2016 17:43
Longhorn1970Elm Park Kid I have faith in Brian so i'm optimistic as well.
As normal, i'm expecting to have to wait until November before his team click though. I just hope we don't have too much moaning from fickle fans expecting a brand new team to spanking teams 5-0 every week.
Precisely how long do you give him to get his act together ?
by MoorgateRoyal » 10 May 2016 17:52
3points Hopefully we will be back to high tempo direct football, rather than bollocks tippy tappy square passing everything via Norwood
by Ian Royal » 10 May 2016 22:18
Top FlightRoyallyFcukedroyalp-we Bet you're really good company at games
It's the off season. Brian deserves a chance. Clean slate; and we go again.
You know exactly how this club can rise from looking toilet to becoming contenders in only a couple of months, it wasn't a dream, it actually happens. And it can easily happen again.
One final note - Stop saying ineptitude so much. You sound like a tosser.royalp-we Bet you're really good company at games
It's the off season. Brian deserves a chance. Clean slate; and we go again.
You know exactly how this club can rise from looking toilet to becoming contenders in only a couple of months, it wasn't a dream, it actually happens. And it can easily happen again.
One final note - Stop saying ineptitude so much. You sound like a tosser.
Ok big man. I like your optimism.
The guy said dont tell me Brian is tactically inept so naturally I responded by highlighting why he is inept. I used many others words to explain it not just that one in case you didn't notice.
The reason i said "Don't tell me Brian is tactically inept" is because you said that Brian was tactically inept. So it all started with you Royally Fffffd up.
Stop accusing the tactical genius of being inept. He is an outstanding manager. He has proved it to you before and now he will prove it to you again. As the Royals go marching up up up.
by Top Flight » 10 May 2016 23:05
by genome » 10 May 2016 23:42
Ian Royal the spectrum
by Maneki Neko » 11 May 2016 00:06
Longhorn1970Elm Park Kid I have faith in Brian so i'm optimistic as well.
As normal, i'm expecting to have to wait until November before his team click though. I just hope we don't have too much moaning from fickle fans expecting a brand new team to spanking teams 5-0 every week.
Precisely how long do you give him to get his act together ?
by Elm Park Kid » 11 May 2016 19:02
Longhorn1970Elm Park Kid I have faith in Brian so i'm optimistic as well.
As normal, i'm expecting to have to wait until November before his team click though. I just hope we don't have too much moaning from fickle fans expecting a brand new team to spanking teams 5-0 every week.
Precisely how long do you give him to get his act together ?
by Top Flight » 11 May 2016 19:12
Elm Park KidLonghorn1970Elm Park Kid I have faith in Brian so i'm optimistic as well.
As normal, i'm expecting to have to wait until November before his team click though. I just hope we don't have too much moaning from fickle fans expecting a brand new team to spanking teams 5-0 every week.
Precisely how long do you give him to get his act together ?
Well I take a different approach to most fans. I don't really care about short term success or how pretty our style of football is. I like McDermott and i'd be happy just to see some stability at the club as long as we have players that want to be here. I don't see why a club with only the 11th highest attendance in the league and no 'sugar daddy' should be expecting promotion every season. If I was the owners of RFC i'd give McDermott a permanent contract which would only be cancelled if we went below league one.
by quickwingerswife » 11 May 2016 20:54
by Longhorn1970 » 11 May 2016 21:06
Top FlightRoyallyFcukedroyalp-we Bet you're really good company at games
It's the off season. Brian deserves a chance. Clean slate; and we go again.
You know exactly how this club can rise from looking toilet to becoming contenders in only a couple of months, it wasn't a dream, it actually happens. And it can easily happen again.
One final note - Stop saying ineptitude so much. You sound like a tosser.royalp-we Bet you're really good company at games
It's the off season. Brian deserves a chance. Clean slate; and we go again.
You know exactly how this club can rise from looking toilet to becoming contenders in only a couple of months, it wasn't a dream, it actually happens. And it can easily happen again.
One final note - Stop saying ineptitude so much. You sound like a tosser.
Ok big man. I like your optimism.
The guy said dont tell me Brian is tactically inept so naturally I responded by highlighting why he is inept. I used many others words to explain it not just that one in case you didn't notice.
The reason i said "Don't tell me Brian is tactically inept" is because you said that Brian was tactically inept. So it all started with you Royally Fffffd up.
Stop accusing the tactical genius of being inept. He is an outstanding manager. He has proved it to you before and now he will prove it to you again. As the Royals go marching up up up.
by RoyallyFcuked » 11 May 2016 23:19
Elm Park Kid Well I take a different approach to most fans. I don't really care about short term success or how pretty our style of football is. I like McDermott and i'd be happy just to see some stability at the club as long as we have players that want to be here. I don't see why a club with only the 11th highest attendance in the league and no 'sugar daddy' should be expecting promotion every season. If I was the owners of RFC i'd give McDermott a permanent contract which would only be cancelled if we went below league one.
Top Flight The reason i said "Don't tell me Brian is tactically inept" is because you said that Brian was tactically inept. So it all started with you Royally Fffffd up.
Stop accusing the tactical genius of being inept. He is an outstanding manager. He has proved it to you before and now he will prove it to you again. As the Royals go marching up up up.
VisionRoyallyFcuked
Did we ever play good football under Brian? No. Were we ever exciting to watch? Rarely. Was there a lot of luck involved? Yes.
You're the one thats judgementally inept, your blind loyal love of the bald one is blinding you severely.
Whilst I'd agree that Top Flight's over the top defence of McDermott is ludicrous. It's only a match for what you've written there.
The final few months of the title season were the most thrilling, exciting few months of football we've ever had. I just can't imagine any Reading fan thinking otherwise.
by royalp-we » 12 May 2016 07:07
RoyallyFcukedElm Park Kid Well I take a different approach to most fans. I don't really care about short term success or how pretty our style of football is. I like McDermott and i'd be happy just to see some stability at the club as long as we have players that want to be here. I don't see why a club with only the 11th highest attendance in the league and no 'sugar daddy' should be expecting promotion every season. If I was the owners of RFC i'd give McDermott a permanent contract which would only be cancelled if we went below league one.
A fair post that I agree with to some extent. I guess I'm different in the fact that I prefer to see decent football and I'd rather watch us play well as much as possible even if we lose a few games as apose to playing shit most of the time and deserving to lose or getting results that our performance usually didn't merit.
Also considering where we have been in the last 10 years or so I think the objective every season should be to challenge for promotion/play offs, and not to merely stay in the championship or even be mid table every season.Top Flight The reason i said "Don't tell me Brian is tactically inept" is because you said that Brian was tactically inept. So it all started with you Royally Fffffd up.
Stop accusing the tactical genius of being inept. He is an outstanding manager. He has proved it to you before and now he will prove it to you again. As the Royals go marching up up up.
I'm not the first person to say it pal, and I highly doubt I will be the last.
I've actually had more people agree with me than you have, which is saying something considering the amount of McDermott fanboys on here.
Have to admire your level of optimism and faith in the man, even if it is bordering on insanity.VisionRoyallyFcuked
Did we ever play good football under Brian? No. Were we ever exciting to watch? Rarely. Was there a lot of luck involved? Yes.
You're the one thats judgementally inept, your blind loyal love of the bald one is blinding you severely.
Whilst I'd agree that Top Flight's over the top defence of McDermott is ludicrous. It's only a match for what you've written there.
The final few months of the title season were the most thrilling, exciting few months of football we've ever had. I just can't imagine any Reading fan thinking otherwise.
In fairness you make a very good point. Perhaps most of us have selective memories and in this case I can't help but remember the negatives while others remember the positives. We have had some great times under Brian I wasn't saying we haven't. The second half of the title season was brilliant no question, West Ham away was one of the best games I've ever been to and we actually played really well that day, also Forest away the season before sticks in mind as one of the best ever.
The play off season and the title season were similar in the fact from being nowhere around Christmas we soared into contention with an 8 game win streak, so yes when things start going in our favour and the momentum is there Brian can build on it. It's when things are not going so well that I question his abilities.
If we take a look at why we were exciting in the title season, and we can compare the two title winning seasons we've had, the one under McD was exciting because the games were close and dramatic, we didn't dominate games and we didn't create that many chances but were very good at taking the ones we did create. If you look at it, often in games in that run in we'd have a lot less shots than the opposition but still get the result. (Southampton away for example, but with three superbly taken goals and poor finishing from the opposition it didn't matter). This continued into the Premier League season in the games we got results in as well. There were too many games in that season though, where there was a lack of ideas which left us with little chance, the way we played in the Championship was not enough anymore and Brian seemed to have no clue how to change it.
Meanwhile the season under Coppell we dominated games playing great football and always creating chances, and because of that you had always faith we could do the job. Of course there were times when we conceded but we'd just go up the other end and score again, this trait also continued somewhat into the first Premier League season. There was an air of confidence and belief about that side like nothing I've seen in my time watching Reading. The McDermott team didn't have that, although part of it is the fact that despite both sides having no real stars or stand out players the Coppell team was a more talented squad and had better quality overall.
I guess what I'm saying is, it wasn't a fluke when we went up under Brian but it feels like a one off. His basic football and tactics combined with some amazing team spirit from a bunch of decent enough at that level but mostly fairly limited footballers that felt they owed him somewhat plus a never say die attitude that meant we kept ourselves at least within reach in games right till the end and stole results with late goals. The chances of Brian creating something like that happen again, in the same way without really changing much seem very slim.
But the team spirit of the 106ers was brilliant as well, even better in fact, and they still had the never say die attitude, they just relied on it less because they had better quality than the 2012 team in all areas.
I agree that because McD over achieved massively, in a way he was a victim of his own success. Despite that, none of this changes the fact his style of football is boring and one dimensional and that he is limited in his abilty as a manager in my opinion, and what he has shown over time is that he cannot really adapt, he doesn't have a plan B.
If you get a team like the one that went up under Coppell playing the way that we were, it would win promotion from the Championship every time. The team that went up under McDermott would not.
If by some absolute miracle he takes us up again I'll happily declare my love for the man and say I'm sorry that I ever doubted him. I just cannot see it happening.
by royalp-we » 12 May 2016 07:13
by Vision » 12 May 2016 08:49
royalp-weRoyallyFcukedElm Park Kid Well I take a different approach to most fans. I don't really care about short term success or how pretty our style of football is. I like McDermott and i'd be happy just to see some stability at the club as long as we have players that want to be here. I don't see why a club with only the 11th highest attendance in the league and no 'sugar daddy' should be expecting promotion every season. If I was the owners of RFC i'd give McDermott a permanent contract which would only be cancelled if we went below league one.
A fair post that I agree with to some extent. I guess I'm different in the fact that I prefer to see decent football and I'd rather watch us play well as much as possible even if we lose a few games as apose to playing shit most of the time and deserving to lose or getting results that our performance usually didn't merit.
Also considering where we have been in the last 10 years or so I think the objective every season should be to challenge for promotion/play offs, and not to merely stay in the championship or even be mid table every season.Top Flight The reason i said "Don't tell me Brian is tactically inept" is because you said that Brian was tactically inept. So it all started with you Royally Fffffd up.
Stop accusing the tactical genius of being inept. He is an outstanding manager. He has proved it to you before and now he will prove it to you again. As the Royals go marching up up up.
I'm not the first person to say it pal, and I highly doubt I will be the last.
I've actually had more people agree with me than you have, which is saying something considering the amount of McDermott fanboys on here.
Have to admire your level of optimism and faith in the man, even if it is bordering on insanity.Vision
Whilst I'd agree that Top Flight's over the top defence of McDermott is ludicrous. It's only a match for what you've written there.
The final few months of the title season were the most thrilling, exciting few months of football we've ever had. I just can't imagine any Reading fan thinking otherwise.
In fairness you make a very good point. Perhaps most of us have selective memories and in this case I can't help but remember the negatives while others remember the positives. We have had some great times under Brian I wasn't saying we haven't. The second half of the title season was brilliant no question, West Ham away was one of the best games I've ever been to and we actually played really well that day, also Forest away the season before sticks in mind as one of the best ever.
The play off season and the title season were similar in the fact from being nowhere around Christmas we soared into contention with an 8 game win streak, so yes when things start going in our favour and the momentum is there Brian can build on it. It's when things are not going so well that I question his abilities.
If we take a look at why we were exciting in the title season, and we can compare the two title winning seasons we've had, the one under McD was exciting because the games were close and dramatic, we didn't dominate games and we didn't create that many chances but were very good at taking the ones we did create. If you look at it, often in games in that run in we'd have a lot less shots than the opposition but still get the result. (Southampton away for example, but with three superbly taken goals and poor finishing from the opposition it didn't matter). This continued into the Premier League season in the games we got results in as well. There were too many games in that season though, where there was a lack of ideas which left us with little chance, the way we played in the Championship was not enough anymore and Brian seemed to have no clue how to change it.
Meanwhile the season under Coppell we dominated games playing great football and always creating chances, and because of that you had always faith we could do the job. Of course there were times when we conceded but we'd just go up the other end and score again, this trait also continued somewhat into the first Premier League season. There was an air of confidence and belief about that side like nothing I've seen in my time watching Reading. The McDermott team didn't have that, although part of it is the fact that despite both sides having no real stars or stand out players the Coppell team was a more talented squad and had better quality overall.
I guess what I'm saying is, it wasn't a fluke when we went up under Brian but it feels like a one off. His basic football and tactics combined with some amazing team spirit from a bunch of decent enough at that level but mostly fairly limited footballers that felt they owed him somewhat plus a never say die attitude that meant we kept ourselves at least within reach in games right till the end and stole results with late goals. The chances of Brian creating something like that happen again, in the same way without really changing much seem very slim.
But the team spirit of the 106ers was brilliant as well, even better in fact, and they still had the never say die attitude, they just relied on it less because they had better quality than the 2012 team in all areas.
I agree that because McD over achieved massively, in a way he was a victim of his own success. Despite that, none of this changes the fact his style of football is boring and one dimensional and that he is limited in his abilty as a manager in my opinion, and what he has shown over time is that he cannot really adapt, he doesn't have a plan B.
If you get a team like the one that went up under Coppell playing the way that we were, it would win promotion from the Championship every time. The team that went up under McDermott would not.
If by some absolute miracle he takes us up again I'll happily declare my love for the man and say I'm sorry that I ever doubted him. I just cannot see it happening.
I'll put an objective in far fewer words.
1 Championship title, 1 Playoff final, 3 FA Cup Qtr Finals.
I don't think Reading, or any other club, will ever emulate what the 106ers managed to achieve. I think that was a one off. Much like the Arsenal 'unbeatables'.
If you constantly judge football against what Steve Coppell achieved for Reading FC, well lets just say you're in for a lifetime of disappointment. It was a beautiful thing that happened and something I'll take to the grave.
In normal circumstances, this league is about setting up correctly, the right mentality, grit, fight and determination to sneak over that finishing line. I think BMcD is the man, who given time, can get that fight back into the squad; he's done it for a Reading squad on more than one occasion.
You're suggestion of people 'bordering on insanity' for being optimistic - take your head out of the clouds and be proud of what we have achieved over other clubs in the last 20yrs. There's a lot of reasons to be optimistic about Reading Football Club.
by Maneki Neko » 12 May 2016 09:47
Despite that, none of this changes the fact his style of football is boring and one dimensional and that he is limited in his abilty as a manager in my opinion, and what he has shown over time is that he cannot really adapt, he doesn't have a plan B.
by Top Flight » 12 May 2016 09:54
by bobby1413 » 12 May 2016 10:09
Top Flight Vision, you've made a great post and I agree with you fully.
Don't get me wrong, I have been totally underwhelmed by this season. I have made that pretty clear. But, I don't blame McDermott for these deep routed problems that exist at the club and are the result of 3 to 4 years of mis management.
We've had two changes in ownership, there has been no direction coming from the top of the club, there has been a lot of uncertainty and poor decision making, uncertainity over finances.
We've had people like Clarke who earlier in the season said that there is no money and that he has to produce something out of nothing. He felt the job was too difficult and tried to get the hell out. How does that look to the players. If the manager feels that there is no chance of success at Reading then the players must be wondering as well. So Blackman just wants to go, Sa wanted out for whatever reason, the players became totally demotivated thinking there is no real hope or future at Reading FC. Kanu refused to extend his stay with us. Hammond has become disillusioned and walked out.
What kind of environment is this? No manager is going to be able to turn around that huge weight of negativity in a very short space of time.
McDermott is a much more positive human being. He thrives in adversity. He doesn't make excuses like Clarke that there is no money. He can still succeed even when the club are selling his best players. McDermott doesn't find excuses. He succeeds regardless. He will build a highly motivated, tight knit squad who will die for the cause. They will fight for Reading FC next season and for us the fans.
With McDermott there is hope, there is a future. The players will buy in to that.
Clarke just created total negativity. Whinge Whinge.... No money, we can't do anything unless we can sign Beric for however many mililons. He said that we will lose the race when trying to sign players because everyone else has more money than us.... Whinge whinge whinge. Negative bast*rd he is. Great that he's gone.
At the end of the day, Reading's success doesn't only depend on McDermott. He is important, but he is not the only factor. A lot of people and a lot of things need to be right at the club for success to come. But in the current environment, there really is no one else that I would rather have to manage us through this next phase of our history. McDermott is definitely the man for me and he deserves a lot of respect. He is arguably the best manager we have ever had. He could certainly make a strong case for that.
by Hoop Blah » 12 May 2016 10:27
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