BFTG - Ipswich home

[George_]

Played rubbish & still won.

I'll take that every time.

[Nameless]

Ipswich had no more chances than we did in the second half though !

Still amazed that people are saying Blackett looked solid.

The passing is not aimless. There were two instances last night where we got utterly stuck with no outlet. There were many more where we played the ball around and suddenly things opened up and we moved forward. There were also a couple where we gave up, hit the ball long and found it coming right back at us. Moore knows how to play this way and if he can educate Mc Shane and we get Swift back in the side (and decide which of Obita and Blackett is less of a risk at left back ) it will click. But it's still new, and if teams are sushi get us you wonder why they aren't beating us....

[Maneki Neko]

Disagree jmw.with respect
And dont expect us to totally dominate every team for the entirety of every game.

Last night was the worst possible game to Base an opinion on.

Swift will be back in next game, and hopefully Samuel will start getting game time, giving us a little more outlet.

Work in progress. Needs consistency, and it will come with more games.

So far weve played better in most games, are winning our fair share.

Still think without a striker, midtable is as good as it will be, and we will have more games like this, wolves,Newcastle etc.

But its nothing like as dull as Rodgers/Adkins.(apart from last night)

[Pepe the Horseman]

Blackett looked good first half, then went to shit after he gave away the pen.

[Maneki Neko]

Ipswich had no more chances than we did in the second half though !

Still amazed that people are saying Blackett looked solid.

The passing is not aimless. There were two instances last night where we got utterly stuck with no outlet. There were many more where we played the ball around and suddenly things opened up and we moved forward. There were also a couple where we gave up, hit the ball long and found it coming right back at us. Moore knows how to play this way and if he can educate Mc Shane and we get Swift back in the side (and decide which of Obita and Blackett is less of a risk at left back ) it will click. But it's still new, and if teams are sushi get us you wonder why they aren't beating us....

Tbf its pretty much only me who was impressed by blackett.

And tbf I just meant his clearly good technique, and strength on the ball.
Obvs there are areas that arent so good. Otherwise he wouldnt be at reading

[John Madejski's Wallet]

Brenders, it is pretty turgid and one dimensional.

However, there are enough flashes (worryingly only when the oppo let us) to think it can be built on. Certainly with the new boys needing time to bed in, which I'm.happy to give. But currently it really is as tedious as adkins/rogers.

We have almost no attacking threat against an organised team, and 2 good wingers who are rarely able to get on the ball

We're gonna dick brum though

[Maneki Neko]

Brenders, it is pretty turgid and one dimensional.

However, there are enough flashes (worryingly only when the oppo let us) to think it can be built on. Certainly with the new boys needing time to bed in, which I'm.happy to give. But currently it really is as tedious as adkins/rogers.

We have almost no attacking threat against an organised team, and 2 good wingers who are rarely able to get on the ball

We're gonna dick brum though

It WAS turgid and 1 dimensional.it WAS tedious.

But was also the stand out worst version of us.

Weve been far from turgid and tedious and significantly more fluid in every other game ive seen.

People keep saying its easy to nullify,yet teams havent in the main

[Portsmouth Royal]

Thought we looked good first half if a little ponderous. As others have rightly said it is a work in progress.

Second half, when Ipswich pressed high and man marked our midfield, it screamed out for our players to move and interchange positions far more to break the man marking.

I suppose this will start to be very effective when (if) we are able to get players with the movement to pull markers around the pitch (creating space) and the technical ability to receive the ball even when marked.

Makes you think that our success or failure will ultimately come down to whether we can get players capable of that affordably at our level.

Agree with many others that VDB was probably our best player. Beerens looked good when we were on top, but faded when we couldn't get him the ball (understandably).

My only other concern (again accepting its a work in progress) is who is envisaged as being the main contributors of our goals? Seems to me in this system, your striker is a man to play off rather than a principle goal scorer. Is it thought that goals will come from all over? What do people think?

[sandman]

Disagree jmw.with respect
And dont expect us to totally dominate every team for the entirety of every game.

Last night was the worst possible game to Base an opinion on.

Swift will be back in next game, and hopefully Samuel will start getting game time, giving us a little more outlet.

Work in progress. Needs consistency, and it will come with more games.

So far weve played better in most games, are winning our fair share.

Still think without a striker, midtable is as good as it will be, and we will have more games like this, wolves,Newcastle etc.

But its nothing like as dull as Rodgers/Adkins.(apart from last night)

Stam doesn't rate Samuel or most of our young players for that matter. That's why a lot of them want out.

[winchester_royal]

Delighted with the result.

Happy to have a manager prepared to talk about his philosophy, with realistic expectations and an acceptance that it is a long-term learning curve for the players.

But really that was pretty awful to watch last night. Static and stagnant with fcuk all to get the pulse racing, just the occasional burst from Beerens.

I've heard the BBCRB crew call it tikka takka football. WTF...? That was about as far removed from tikka takka as it is possible to get.

I don't mind the passing around at the back stuff, waiting for the right ball - I understand that - but I expect to see some MOVEMENT in front of them giving options. So often the midfield were just standing still as Moore, Al Habsi & Co passed it between themselves. That ain't how this game plan is gonna work.

I am the eternal optimist so I believe in Stam, believe it will take a while for his vision to become reality and when it does it'll be great to watch, but right now don't try to convince me that was anything other than rather boring and pretty turgid.

JVDB was so obviously MOTM it made me sigh a little when Beerens got the award.

Moore and Blackett will be very good for us. McShane really doesn't inspire any confidence. Can't remember anything about Evans' performance at all.

Agreed, but the problem is this style of football is only effective when the players feel confident and able to play the short pass quicker so it moves the oppo around and opens up space.

At the moment it's slow and ponderous and predictable because the players aren't 100% confident with it and the abuse from the fans certainly isn't helping with that. We need to give them time and patience and our full support because in the long run that will certainly be to our benefit as for me it's fairly obvious from the passages of play where we have clicked so far this season that if we get this right we will be very successful with it.

I do understand the boos/jeers because at times it can be quite frustrating to watch, but it's totally counterproductive at the end of the day - the players need to feel relaxed and like we are on their side - not the opposite. And given that 80% of the time we hit it long last night we ended up losing the ball anyway I'd say the constant cries for us to do just that are a little bit daft.

A good win against a solid Ipswich side and we now have 10 points from just 6 games. It's been a positive start to the season imo.

[Maneki Neko]

[genome]

As I said last night, last season we would've lost that match.

I'll take playing like that and winning games over what we've had to deal with for the last two years.

[Westwood52]

That was awful-three points should not deflect the need for change.I accept however that with only Kermit & Mendes Jap's options are limited in terms of forward movement and ingenuity.

Al Habsi: 6 Some good saves , some mishandling & a couple of poor kicks-often gave the ball way to his defenders in tight positions.
Gunter: 6 Usual 6 or 7 performance-defensively OK , but one of his poorest games going forward.
Blackett: 5 Not a full back ! Maybe cover at CB.
Moore 7: Probably MOM, Cool & calm under pressure-never a booking.
McShane 5: Bad start to the season from him-looked pretty basic at times.
VDB 5: The 1st half passed him by-got better 2nd half. Should have scored late on.
Evans 5: Found it difficult to impose himself.
Williams 6: Much better 2nd half-shouldn't he have been moved wide when Swift came on ? Great Pen.
Macca 6: Not at his absolute best , but not surprising given his flight time. Great Pen.
Kermit 4: Poses no threat.Too slow in thought & deed-but give him credit for chasing back late in 2nd half.
Beerens 7: Had his moments, but fades out of games.

Swift: The kid's got something.
Quinny: Usual 100%
Obita: One great cross-deserves a start.

Ipswich: Usual Chumpionship side- bit thick, but loads of effort-no strikers.

Ref: Took him 95 minutes to get something right-the first two were not pens & despite anything McCarthy says his boys were warned twice about obstruction in the area-he had to give the third-how dumb were they !

[Nameless]

Stam doesn't rate Samuel or most of our young players for that matter. That's why a lot of them want out.

Although that is not what Stam himself says....

[genome]

Ipswich: Usual Chumpionship side- bit thick, but loads of effort-no strikers.

Except the league's joint top scorer.

[Nameless]

That was awful-three points should not deflect the need for change.I accept however that with only Kermit & Mendes Jap's options are limited in terms of forward movement and ingenuity.

Al Habsi: 6 Some good saves , some mishandling & a couple of poor kicks-often gave the ball way to his defenders in tight positions.
Gunter: 6 Usual 6 or 7 performance-defensively OK , but one of his poorest games going forward.
Blackett: 5 Not a full back ! Maybe cover at CB.
Moore 7: Probably MOM, Cool & calm under pressure-never a booking.
McShane 5: Bad start to the season from him-looked pretty basic at times.
VDB 5: The 1st half passed him by-got better 2nd half. Should have scored late on.
Evans 5: Found it difficult to impose himself.
Williams 6: Much better 2nd half-shouldn't he have been moved wide when Swift came on ? Great Pen.
Macca 6: Not at his absolute best , but not surprising given his flight time. Great Pen.
Kermit 4: Poses no threat.Too slow in thought & deed-but give him credit for chasing back late in 2nd half.
Beerens 7: Had his moments, but fades out of games.

Swift: The kid's got something.
Quinny: Usual 100%
Obita: One great cross-deserves a start.

Ipswich: Usual Chumpionship side- bit thick, but loads of effort-no str

Ref: Took him 95 minutes to get something right-the first two were not pens & despite anything McCarthy says his boys were warned twice about obstruction in the area-he had to give the third-how dumb were they !

If the ref gave a penalty for obstruction then that was his biggest error of the night !
The pen was for a rugby tackle on Joey.
Not heard anyone seriously question the first pen. What do you think was wrong with it ?
Always interests in people's player ratings. I massively disagree with some of yours but they are as likely to be right as mine ! Did you not see the work Kermogant was doing ? It wasn't his fault we had no one playing behind him, he was setting up the plays, but either Evans or Williams was not responding.

[bcubed]

Ipswich had no more chances than we did in the second half though !

Still amazed that people are saying Blackett looked solid.

The passing is not aimless. There were two instances last night where we got utterly stuck with no outlet. There were many more where we played the ball around and suddenly things opened up and we moved forward. There were also a couple where we gave up, hit the ball long and found it coming right back at us. Moore knows how to play this way and if he can educate Mc Shane and we get Swift back in the side (and decide which of Obita and Blackett is less of a risk at left back ) it will click. But it's still new, and if teams are sushi get us you wonder why they aren't beating us....

I'm with you on Blackett
It's the first time I have seen him but seriously unimpressed
Slow, disinterested (or maybe feels he is too good for this) and out muscled several times.
Gave away a couple of corners unnecessarily and of course a penalty

Obita looked much sharper in his few minutes of action

I'd go with Obita every time, based on last night anyway

[West Stand Man]

Al Habsi - 8 made a couple of good saves, seemed calm when he had the ball at his feet
Gunter - 7 always seems to give his man to long to get a cross in
Moore - 7 looked solid, seemed comfortable bringing the ball out of defence, a couple of wayward long range diagonals let him down
McShane - 7 solid, again same as Moore looked OK on the ball
Blackett - 8 don't understand some of the criticism on the radio, looked good filling in at CB when they moved forward and was linking well with Beerena. Very soft own given against him.
VDB- 8 seemed to be everywhere in the second half, great to watch but he will pick up 15+ bookings this year
Evans - 7 from my angle it looked like he got some of the ball in the challenge but seeing again was lucky to stay on. That being said thought he was unlucky to be taken off
Williams - 6 gets the ball head down and runs in to trouble. Repeat this 6/7 times in the second half
Beerens - 7 had the beating of man every time in the first half. Nothing in the box to pick out
Mcleary - 7 looked dangerous in the first half and went missing in the second
Kermogant - 5 miss controls it and precedes to slate the pass. Flicks on to space that he knows nobody is going to be in and doesn't close down there defence. Our system won't fully work whilst he is in the team

That's another clueless one on my ignore list then!

[JimmytheJim]

Kermogant is class. I don't get all the negativity. He won every single header and led the line superbly. He just needs for the wingers to get more involved in and around the box to help him imo.

[West Stand Man]

Ref: Took him 95 minutes to get something right-the first two were not pens & despite anything McCarthy says his boys were warned twice about obstruction in the area-he had to give the third-how dumb were they !

The first penalty was a clear handball. The player's arm is well away from his body and clearly stops the ball.

The second penalty was a clear push by Blackett to prevent the Ipswich player getting his head to a cross ( leaving him a simple tap in header at the far post).

The third was a blatantly obvious rugby tackle on vdB.

The ref got a lot wrong but those were all good shouts. If only more penalties were properly awarded like that it might make the game more open and it would certainly liven things up.