SnowballNewCorkSethReading4eva Sacking McDermott the first time was a mistake. Sacking him the second time was also a mistake
You trolling?
I agree with him
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No. Don't p!ss me off tonight with some stupid wit. Leave it till 3pm on Sunday IF this football club is safe.
I think hiring him second time round was a mistake. Never go back.
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No. Don't p!ss me off tonight with some stupid wit. Leave it till 3pm on Sunday IF this football club is safe.
I think hiring him second time round was a mistake. Never go back.
Better staying with a proven manager and someone loyal to this club than an unproven manager who did very well first season but maybe off the back of McDermotts planning.
Zip We are rudderless both on and off the pitch.
Our decline has coincided with change of ownership. We have had owners for the past seven or eight years that don’t have any interest in the club. Our current owners are nowhere to be seen. Our Chief Exec is nowhere to be seen. On the pitch leadership is nowhere to be seen.
We will probably stay up next Sunday but where then? If Clement does just tinker with the squad then it’s very difficult to see anything other than a very difficult season in 2018/19.
We have gone from being a very strong Championship team in the naughties to a very weak one in recent years (last season excluded).
ZipBarney I'm sure this will annoy some folks...but I couldn't care less.
I boo'd the players at the final whistle. I have been to around 1,200 RFC games (trust me....that is a lot) and I can take defeat, but what I will not tolerate is a lack of effort. I too walked past some of the players elaborate cars parked outside the ground today. What are they on ?
5 grand a week....10 grand a week...some higher than that. That performance today ranks up there with one of the most gutless performances I have ever witnessed.
Thankfully, I will never have to see some of those players in an RFC shirt again. Utter disgrace.
I know "youngsters" hate the oldies going on about Hurlock, or Bowman, or Sidwell, or Tait etc etc....but sadly our team has no balls. End of.
Shame on you players today. Feel free to pick up your huge monthly wage slip next week...but quite frankly, you were a disgrace today.
Gutless...the lot of you.
They will be on a lot more money than that. According to radio Berkshire Martin is on £27,000 a week
RoyalBlueZipBarney I'm sure this will annoy some folks...but I couldn't care less.
I boo'd the players at the final whistle. I have been to around 1,200 RFC games (trust me....that is a lot) and I can take defeat, but what I will not tolerate is a lack of effort. I too walked past some of the players elaborate cars parked outside the ground today. What are they on ?
5 grand a week....10 grand a week...some higher than that. That performance today ranks up there with one of the most gutless performances I have ever witnessed.
Thankfully, I will never have to see some of those players in an RFC shirt again. Utter disgrace.
I know "youngsters" hate the oldies going on about Hurlock, or Bowman, or Sidwell, or Tait etc etc....but sadly our team has no balls. End of.
Shame on you players today. Feel free to pick up your huge monthly wage slip next week...but quite frankly, you were a disgrace today.
Gutless...the lot of you.
They will be on a lot more money than that. According to radio Berkshire Martin is on £27,000 a week
And that is what is the utter disgrace about professional football in England. Thanks a bunch Sky!
Today I was having our misery relayed to me on the far side of the pond. Thoroughly peed off and depressed at the result, I then went to watch a thoroughly entertaining MLS game in a crowd of over 45,000. I saw a guy score from two cracking free kicks in the space of 15 minutes and generally have a great game. Reportedly he gets a salary of approx $80,000 per annum!
RoyalBlueZipBarney I'm sure this will annoy some folks...but I couldn't care less.
I boo'd the players at the final whistle. I have been to around 1,200 RFC games (trust me....that is a lot) and I can take defeat, but what I will not tolerate is a lack of effort. I too walked past some of the players elaborate cars parked outside the ground today. What are they on ?
5 grand a week....10 grand a week...some higher than that. That performance today ranks up there with one of the most gutless performances I have ever witnessed.
Thankfully, I will never have to see some of those players in an RFC shirt again. Utter disgrace.
I know "youngsters" hate the oldies going on about Hurlock, or Bowman, or Sidwell, or Tait etc etc....but sadly our team has no balls. End of.
Shame on you players today. Feel free to pick up your huge monthly wage slip next week...but quite frankly, you were a disgrace today.
Gutless...the lot of you.
They will be on a lot more money than that. According to radio Berkshire Martin is on £27,000 a week
And that is what is the utter disgrace about professional football in England. Thanks a bunch Sky!
Today I was having our misery relayed to me on the far side of the pond. Thoroughly peed off and depressed at the result, I then went to watch a thoroughly entertaining MLS game in a crowd of over 45,000. I saw a guy score from two cracking free kicks in the space of 15 minutes and generally have a great game. Reportedly he gets a salary of approx $80,000 per annum!
OilroyalNewCorkSethRoyal Rother Have been reading that this type of gutless performance shows that it really has been the players’ fault, and not Stam’s....
Rubbish.
Stam’s regime got rid of many of the promising youngsters who had come through the Academy and cared about the club. They may not have had the supposed talent of the players brought in to replenish the squad but by God they’d have fought hard and given the fans something to SUPPORT. Unlike this shower of shite.
Of course it’s Stam’s fault it has come to this. He built the squad, he let whatever is festering inside impact the performances on the pitch.
And seriously, the conspiracy theorists suggesting that there is something very wrong at the club and it is rotten to the core etc. etc. Well yes, if the management from the top down is shite it can reach the playing side of things in some small way but all they really DEEPLY care about is picking up their money - they need structure, balance, training, motivation (what about tenacity, spirit and flair?) and Stam was clearly unable to provide the spark they needed to show those qualities this season.
Quite obviously the malaise (can I call it cancer?) is too deep for Clement to be able to turn things around without a total clear out.
The players fault, of course. But the real culprit is Jaap Stam for letting it come to this state. Unfit, undisciplined, unmotivated and un whatever else you can think of.
Rubbish. Equal blame. He let the players down with tactical inconsitensy and inexperienced management. The players let him down by being absolutely shite.
+1 Rother
But don’t try explaining to these so-called experts on here, they haven’t got a fcuking clue. The signs were there preseason, and after the first game against QPR and our troubles ran throughout this season yet 99% of the expects on here would have none of it.
Thanks Stam, you complete and utter oxf*rd novice …. And the 99% of expects on here can now fcuk off
and it's not the players fault they're shit.... they are what they are. The club gave them extended contracts, signed the new players and not without Stam's approval.
Snowball It's hard to argue "small margins" after watching a 0-4 defeat
and yet, that's what it is really about.
Again we missed chances (which needn't be the end of the world)
but BECAUSE we missed chances, when they scored we were behind
(as opposed to, say, back to 3-1)
IMO that one goal was offside, one goal was a freak, and we fell
apart (because we have no leaders, no belief, no mental strength
no aggression) and suddenly we are down 0-4
Was it last week that Ipswich LOST 0-4 at home?
Had this been 1-1 (it could easily have been), had this been 2-2
(it could easily have been), had this been 3-3 (it could easily have been)
we would now be saying, "We did enough, crept over the line" etc
and would be "safe" and beginning to talk about who would leave etc
Individually, almost every one of our players could do well in another Championship side.
A couple of years ago Barrow was ripping Man City a new one (as one example)
What's wrong is the team's imbalances, the lack of a really lethal striker, and, let's be
honest, drastic, dramatic changes of style that have "done in" the heads of most of the team
The hang-on-to-the-ball until the other side surrenders is awful, was awful, and became easy to counter.
Finishing third last year was A FREAK. That's obvious when you look at our horrible defeats like 7-1
and 5-0 etc etc. The 3rd was a high blip, but the last few seasons have been dire as a block
19th-17th (3rd) and this year going into the last game possibly ending up a point short and finishing
22nd.
We have had dodgy Russians, Thais only interested in the land, now mysterious, invisible Chinese owners.
We've had a tough, simplistic, soak up pressure, win on the break long-ball McDermott, Mr Big Watch, Mr Fake Tan,
Clarke, and a brilliant defender who couldn't teach defending, and now Clement, who is another manager not renowned for
having entertaining attacking sides.
Meanwhile we started signing dodgy players, over-priced or over-the-hill, or bad attitudes, or Stam's mates.
Royston Drenthe, Piazon, Hurtado, Fernandez, Ola John, Sa, Pogrebnyak, Wayne Bridge,
and as for Vydra, Grabban, Sharp, how come we made them cr@p and yet they are all high up
in the top-scorers charts this year with Vydra and Grabban 1-2?
Think of Reading as if you might think of, say Sunderland = "a club in a mess", there's "something wrong"
too many managers, too may owners, two many punts, too many desperate, often expensive buys
Only last year's freaky "false 3rd" is in there to suggest there ISN'T a really deep problem in the club
A side that finishes 17th and 19th and somewhere between 18th and 22nd this year is a perfect example
of a club in long-term trouble, structurally wrong, or with hidden money troubles, (or whatever)
Take out the bizarre 3rd and we would be 19th, 17th, 18th (at the absolute best) but this year, even if we escape
relegation in 18th place, we are FAR worse. If we stay up, unless the fundamentals are dealt with, even 15th/16th
will be a challenge next season, and we could easily collapse into (and stay in) the bottom three.
I miss the Coppell days, the McDermott days. I didn't mind the "unsophisticated" high-tempo stuff.
I miss the thundering challenges, the players who would run through a brick wall for the team.
I go to games now and am BORED, expecting few half-chances, the inevitable cock-up, but the saddest part
is that feeling that too many of the eleven on the pitch, really look like they don't give a toss.
Nuremberg RoyalSnowball It's hard to argue "small margins" after watching a 0-4 defeat
and yet, that's what it is really about.
Again we missed chances (which needn't be the end of the world)
but BECAUSE we missed chances, when they scored we were behind
(as opposed to, say, back to 3-1)
IMO that one goal was offside, one goal was a freak, and we fell
apart (because we have no leaders, no belief, no mental strength
no aggression) and suddenly we are down 0-4
Was it last week that Ipswich LOST 0-4 at home?
Had this been 1-1 (it could easily have been), had this been 2-2
(it could easily have been), had this been 3-3 (it could easily have been)
we would now be saying, "We did enough, crept over the line" etc
and would be "safe" and beginning to talk about who would leave etc
Individually, almost every one of our players could do well in another Championship side.
A couple of years ago Barrow was ripping Man City a new one (as one example)
What's wrong is the team's imbalances, the lack of a really lethal striker, and, let's be
honest, drastic, dramatic changes of style that have "done in" the heads of most of the team
The hang-on-to-the-ball until the other side surrenders is awful, was awful, and became easy to counter.
Finishing third last year was A FREAK. That's obvious when you look at our horrible defeats like 7-1
and 5-0 etc etc. The 3rd was a high blip, but the last few seasons have been dire as a block
19th-17th (3rd) and this year going into the last game possibly ending up a point short and finishing
22nd.
We have had dodgy Russians, Thais only interested in the land, now mysterious, invisible Chinese owners.
We've had a tough, simplistic, soak up pressure, win on the break long-ball McDermott, Mr Big Watch, Mr Fake Tan,
Clarke, and a brilliant defender who couldn't teach defending, and now Clement, who is another manager not renowned for
having entertaining attacking sides.
Meanwhile we started signing dodgy players, over-priced or over-the-hill, or bad attitudes, or Stam's mates.
Royston Drenthe, Piazon, Hurtado, Fernandez, Ola John, Sa, Pogrebnyak, Wayne Bridge,
and as for Vydra, Grabban, Sharp, how come we made them cr@p and yet they are all high up
in the top-scorers charts this year with Vydra and Grabban 1-2?
Think of Reading as if you might think of, say Sunderland = "a club in a mess", there's "something wrong"
too many managers, too may owners, two many punts, too many desperate, often expensive buys
Only last year's freaky "false 3rd" is in there to suggest there ISN'T a really deep problem in the club
A side that finishes 17th and 19th and somewhere between 18th and 22nd this year is a perfect example
of a club in long-term trouble, structurally wrong, or with hidden money troubles, (or whatever)
Take out the bizarre 3rd and we would be 19th, 17th, 18th (at the absolute best) but this year, even if we escape
relegation in 18th place, we are FAR worse. If we stay up, unless the fundamentals are dealt with, even 15th/16th
will be a challenge next season, and we could easily collapse into (and stay in) the bottom three.
I miss the Coppell days, the McDermott days. I didn't mind the "unsophisticated" high-tempo stuff.
I miss the thundering challenges, the players who would run through a brick wall for the team.
I go to games now and am BORED, expecting few half-chances, the inevitable cock-up, but the saddest part
is that feeling that too many of the eleven on the pitch, really look like they don't give a toss.
Well said sir. Nail,head !
AthleticoSpizz 0-6, 1-6 in the past 20 odd years.....no
windermereROYAL Just seen the first goal. how on earth was that not flagged offside?
Gunny FishcakeSCIAG Fingers crossed for results going our way next week.
Fingers crossed the results go against us, then we can be deservedly relegated and we can get rid of this shower of gutless sh*te and rebuild and start all over again.
NewCorkSethRoyal Rother Well, maybe I’m alone, but I believe the likes of Dickie, Fosu, Stacey, Cooper should still be at the club.
They had shown enough to have been persevered with rather than dumping them for expensive imports with zero affinity for the club.
Jesus Christ they’d have been no worse than Blackett, Gunter, Beerens, Aluko, and a whole host of others.
Stacey wasn't really a RB here though was he. He was hardly going to challenge the experienced (but admittedly shit) Gunter was he? It would have also been a brave move to drop a record signing for Fosu.
I agree on Cooper. You can see from my posting history I rated him and wanted him to stay. He would never have started ahead of Moore, McShane and Ilori (who has been much better of recent) but was a handy option and capable of excellent performances.
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