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[Snowflake Royal]

For me you just have to question whether Swift should be dropped now. He just doesn't seem to tribute enough. I'm getting frustrated that you can see the talent but he just doesn't seem to be able to unleash it. First double clean sheet since Nov 2017 which is a positive......but going forward there's just not enough.

Screw dropped the donkey should be sold or failing that have his contract terminated or sent to play with the U23s. I’m fed up with him casually marauding about. Get rid.

I get the feeling he certainly won't be here next season.

Half a good season in three years? I'd be fine with it if he wasn't and ecstatic if we got good money for him.

[URZZZZ]

As I said weeks ago, we're not going to score goals when our wingers are as uncreative as they are, you can stick Barrow, McCleary, Ejaria, Harriott, whoever there and it'll have the same outcome. An absolutely dreadful game and should have conceded in the last second to a shocking miss. 4 goals in open play now in 9 games, not good enough

Realistically, when do people start questioning Gomes? Obviously no-one is yet, but we're not scoring and we're not really improving after a couple of decent games. Begs the question were we really doing that bad before?

Jesus.

I know, right?

Clement - 0.9 PPG this season
Gomes - 0.875 PPG this season

I know Maths isn't probably your strong suit but 0.9 is greater than 0.875. So, as I said, we haven't improved in terms of results have we?

[windermereROYAL]

Jesus.

I know, right?

Clement - 0.9 PPG this season
Gomes - 0.875 PPG this season

I know Maths isn't probably your strong suit but 0.9 is greater than 0.875. So, as I said, we haven't improved in terms of results have we?

You are comparing point averages over Clement`s 23 games to Jose`s 8? jesus.

[URZZZZ]

I know, right?

Clement - 0.9 PPG this season
Gomes - 0.875 PPG this season

I know Maths isn't probably your strong suit but 0.9 is greater than 0.875. So, as I said, we haven't improved in terms of results have we?

You are comparing point averages over Clement`s 23 games to Jose`s 8? jesus.

I'm not trying to make out Gomes is a bad manager, not at all. But people are seriously overrating Gomes so far, and I'm merely pointing out we haven't improved in terms of results, which is the most important thing. To flip the argument, people wanted Clement gone after just 14 games, including the 8 last season where he kept us up

[windermereROYAL]

Clement - 0.9 PPG this season
Gomes - 0.875 PPG this season

I know Maths isn't probably your strong suit but 0.9 is greater than 0.875. So, as I said, we haven't improved in terms of results have we?

You are comparing point averages over Clement`s 23 games to Jose`s 8? jesus.

I'm not trying to make out Gomes is a bad manager, not at all. But people are seriously overrating Gomes so far, and I'm merely pointing out we haven't improved in terms of results, which is the most important thing. To flip the argument, people wanted Clement gone after just 14 games, including the 8 last season where he kept us up

We`ve certainly improved defensively. but for a injury time goal we would be looking at 4 consecutive clean sheets while under Clements we only managed 2 in 23 games.
If we can get that cutting edge we can finally get around to enjoying some wins again, havent seen a ugly 1-0 since the end of last season. it hurts us when we need to score at least 2 goals a game to have a chance of winning.

[Hendo]

Jesus.

I know, right?

Clement - 0.9 PPG this season
Gomes - 0.875 PPG this season

I know Maths isn't probably your strong suit but 0.9 is greater than 0.875. So, as I said, we haven't improved in terms of results have we?

Alright, no need to be so condescending

It was more to the fact that you said when are people going to start questioning Gomes. We’ve had 8 games. Anyone who wants another manager in before the end of the season are those, which personifies, what’s wrong with modern day football.

We’ve made a decision, let it play out.

Also, 0.025 of a point? Works out as 1.2 points over a season.

[sandman]

Another poor result but if you aren't going to play a striker what do you expect? Suspect if previous managers had done that there would be hell to pay.

Must win on Wednesday. Let's hope Blackburn are kind enough to let us play "our process" without putting up a fight.

[AthleticoSpizz]

“poor result” ?

Yes, in the grand scheme of things the way our season is unfolding

No, in isolation, a good point, as was the Villa one.

[sandman]

“poor result” ?

Yes, in the grand scheme of things the way our season is unfolding

All you needed.

[URZZZZ]

I know, right?

Clement - 0.9 PPG this season
Gomes - 0.875 PPG this season

I know Maths isn't probably your strong suit but 0.9 is greater than 0.875. So, as I said, we haven't improved in terms of results have we?

Alright, no need to be so condescending

It was more to the fact that you said when are people going to start questioning Gomes. We’ve had 8 games. Anyone who wants another manager in before the end of the season are those, which personifies, what’s wrong with modern day football.

We’ve made a decision, let it play out.

Also, 0.025 of a point? Works out as 1.2 points over a season.

That's the point though, managers nowadays are questioned in a very short time period, I was just wondering how long it will take for our fans to turn on him. It's certainly not what I want, chopping and changing managers rarely works, I just think if we lose the next couple, heads might start to turn, that's all

[Snowflake Royal]

You are comparing point averages over Clement`s 23 games to Jose`s 8? jesus.

I'm not trying to make out Gomes is a bad manager, not at all. But people are seriously overrating Gomes so far, and I'm merely pointing out we haven't improved in terms of results, which is the most important thing. To flip the argument, people wanted Clement gone after just 14 games, including the 8 last season where he kept us up

We`ve certainly improved defensively. but for a injury time goal we would be looking at 4 consecutive clean sheets while under Clements we only managed 2 in 23 games.
If we can get that cutting edge we can finally get around to enjoying some wins again, havent seen a ugly 1-0 since the end of last season. it hurts us when we need to score at least 2 goals a game to have a chance of winning.

Although we scored considerably more under Clement this season so its very much swings and roundabouts.

48% of the goals conceded, 63% of the goals scored. So that is a bit better, but it's not translating into improved results yet.

The we've nearly got some better results under Gomes is a pointless argument, because it applies to Clement just as much (Derby, Blackburn etc etc.), nearly getting a better result doesn't help anyone.

I think the criticism wasn't based on an incorrect belief we've improved under Gomes, but at how stupidly early it is to start asking how long we give him.

[Denver Royal]

Clement - 0.9 PPG this season
Gomes - 0.875 PPG this season

I know Maths isn't probably your strong suit but 0.9 is greater than 0.875. So, as I said, we haven't improved in terms of results have we?

Alright, no need to be so condescending

It was more to the fact that you said when are people going to start questioning Gomes. We’ve had 8 games. Anyone who wants another manager in before the end of the season are those, which personifies, what’s wrong with modern day football.

We’ve made a decision, let it play out.

Also, 0.025 of a point? Works out as 1.2 points over a season.

I was just wondering how long it will take for our fans to turn on him. It's certainly not what I want

I was just wondering something, too. Do you think bringing it up and trying to compare him in a bad light is going to help his or your cause? If its 'certainly not what you want', why not shut up about it and wait and see?

[urzmikep]

Not sure if anyone's posted this already, but in the words of Paul Clement its all down to small margins.

Looking at today's table and comparing us against Sheffield Wednesday:

Sheffield Wednesday - Position = 16, Points = 39, Goals For = 34, Goals Against = 45
Reading - Position = 22, Points = 26, Goals For = 32, Goals Against = 44

In Summary Reading have only scored 2 x goals less than Wednesday but have actually conceded 1 x less goal than them, so even though we have very similar goals for & against we're 13 points behind them!!!!

[URZZZZ]

Alright, no need to be so condescending

It was more to the fact that you said when are people going to start questioning Gomes. We’ve had 8 games. Anyone who wants another manager in before the end of the season are those, which personifies, what’s wrong with modern day football.

We’ve made a decision, let it play out.

Also, 0.025 of a point? Works out as 1.2 points over a season.

I was just wondering how long it will take for our fans to turn on him. It's certainly not what I want

I was just wondering something, too. Do you think bringing it up and trying to compare him in a bad light is going to help his or your cause? If its 'certainly not what you want', why not shut up about it and wait and see?

I wouldn't bring it up in the first place if people didn't treat him like a world beater. I'm simply proving we haven't made an improvement in terms of results since he's taken charge. If people didn't bring up every game "this team is much improved" then I wouldn't need to state it, fact is we're still in the bottom three, we're not winning games and we're not scoring goals. End of

[windermereROYAL]

If only we had a natural goal scorer on our books...

https://twitter.com/AmericanOutlaws/sta ... 5148679169

[Hendo]

Alright, no need to be so condescending

It was more to the fact that you said when are people going to start questioning Gomes. We’ve had 8 games. Anyone who wants another manager in before the end of the season are those, which personifies, what’s wrong with modern day football.

We’ve made a decision, let it play out.

Also, 0.025 of a point? Works out as 1.2 points over a season.

I was just wondering how long it will take for our fans to turn on him. It's certainly not what I want

I was just wondering something, too. Do you think bringing it up and trying to compare him in a bad light is going to help his or your cause? If its 'certainly not what you want', why not shut up about it and wait and see?

Precisely.

[Zip]

Not sure if anyone's posted this already, but in the words of Paul Clement its all down to small margins.

Looking at today's table and comparing us against Sheffield Wednesday:

Sheffield Wednesday - Position = 16, Points = 39, Goals For = 34, Goals Against = 45
Reading - Position = 22, Points = 26, Goals For = 32, Goals Against = 44

In Summary Reading have only scored 2 x goals less than Wednesday but have actually conceded 1 x less goal than them, so even though we have very similar goals for & against we're 13 points behind them!!!!

Yep a good comparison. All season we haven’t been far away. It has been small margins. We are rarely dominated.
We have though forgotten how to grind out a win.

[Denver Royal]

Improving and still the whingers moan.

We need to improve our results, not just people to feel like we might at some point in the future.

Yes, of course. And I said something similar as people expressed their ‘feelings’ toward the end of Clement’s reign. Before he was sacked, we were in or around bottom 3, we’d had 1 win in 7, and people were saying…‘I just feel things are improving, I feel like we may be turning a corner, I feel we are playing better, I feel results will improve going forward, I feel he will/would have kept us up’, etc.
I shared some of those feelings (to an extent), and some I didn’t. Then again, that’s the beauty of a discussion forum, isn’t it? People express their feelings, as well as taking the cold hard results on board.

[Snowflake Royal]

Improving and still the whingers moan.

We need to improve our results, not just people to feel like we might at some point in the future.

Yes, of course. And I said something similar as people expressed their ‘feelings’ toward the end of Clement’s reign. Before he was sacked, we were in or around bottom 3, we’d had 1 win in 7, and people were saying…‘I just feel things are improving, I feel like we may be turning a corner, I feel we are playing better, I feel results will improve going forward, I feel he will/would have kept us up’, etc.
I shared some of those feelings (to an extent), and some I didn’t. Then again, that’s the beauty of a discussion forum, isn’t it? People express their feelings, as well as taking the cold hard results on board.

Actually people were pointing to a progression of form to back it up for Clement. It was small and it may have been regressing at the very end but it had been there.

I think it was something like 6 game form went 0.6ppg, 1.4ppg, 1.2 ppg, ??

Gomes is getting an awful lot of credit for his attempts to sort our squad out (rightly so), but other than bring Aluko back into the fold and telling us about it and shifting McNulty, I don't think he's doing a lot Clement wasn't already working on in that regard. The difference is Clement didn't get to the transfer window to implement the outs.

[Hound]

Not sure if anyone's posted this already, but in the words of Paul Clement its all down to small margins.

Looking at today's table and comparing us against Sheffield Wednesday:

Sheffield Wednesday - Position = 16, Points = 39, Goals For = 34, Goals Against = 45
Reading - Position = 22, Points = 26, Goals For = 32, Goals Against = 44

In Summary Reading have only scored 2 x goals less than Wednesday but have actually conceded 1 x less goal than them, so even though we have very similar goals for & against we're 13 points behind them!!!!

thats an interesting stat certainly. We've competed in just about every game this season - maybe except Swansea at home, and the inability to snatch a win or hold on to a 1-0 is why we are where we are