Next Season's Squad.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Brain Traysers » 05 Jul 2019 22:04

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Similar to Rino, he poses the opportunity to keep reengaging the fan base as an academy product. Not going to be a top earner and his value is likely to increase after a season with us in the championship.

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Loader is an odd one. Have a good season and his value rockets. Have a disappointing one and it probably plummets. I'd sell, but not cheap and not if we can cash in big elsewhere on Barrow, Swift or Bod.


Isn't Nova now in the final year of his contract (along with Loader and Olise)? If so there needs to be some serious thinking in the benefits of selling now vs year of experience but presumably a tribunal set compensation next year. Makes it hard to believe any of those three would be in this mythical 5.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Hound » 05 Jul 2019 22:10

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URZZZZ There’s a part of me who thinks we’ll be OK with the promising youngsters coming through. But at the same time, we’re not following too much of a dissimilar path to Ipswich 12 months ago (sell off first teamers, looking at young loans, using academy kids). Interested to see how it will pan out


Looking at the squad we apparently currently have, (assuming the 7 ostracised 1st teamers all find clubs), it will pan out exactly the same way as it did for Ipswich last season - relegation.
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It’s certainly a possibility. We definitely need some new signings, it’s very much a case of how good they are

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Hound » 05 Jul 2019 22:14

Just scanned twitter and seems like Liam Kelly could well be off in the next couple of days

Apologies, but thank fcuk for that. First of many I hope

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by URZZZZ » 05 Jul 2019 22:18

Hound Just scanned twitter and seems like Liam Kelly could well be off in the next couple of days

Apologies, but thank fcuk for that. First of many I hope


If only someone said that a few posts ago :wink:

Not starting the argument again but will be sad to see him go. Norwood MKII i think. Luton and Feyenoord two teams interested

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Zip » 05 Jul 2019 22:19

Hound Just scanned twitter and seems like Liam Kelly could well be off in the next couple of days

Apologies, but thank fcuk for that. First of many I hope


I wish him well. Presumably he will be moving to a League One side and can hold down a regular place. It’s right that he moves on.


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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by AthleticoSpizz » 05 Jul 2019 22:19

Where to?

Decent enough, just not up to the required standard.....like that hasn’t already been said before by our wizened ones.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Zip » 05 Jul 2019 22:20

URZZZZ
Hound Just scanned twitter and seems like Liam Kelly could well be off in the next couple of days

Apologies, but thank fcuk for that. First of many I hope


If only someone said that a few posts ago :wink:

Not starting the argument again but will be sad to see him go. Norwood MKII i think. Luton and Feyenoord two teams interested


Wow. Well good luck to him. It’s a good move to either of those clubs. Thought he might have to step down a division.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by URZZZZ » 05 Jul 2019 22:56

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Hound Just scanned twitter and seems like Liam Kelly could well be off in the next couple of days

Apologies, but thank fcuk for that. First of many I hope


If only someone said that a few posts ago :wink:

Not starting the argument again but will be sad to see him go. Norwood MKII i think. Luton and Feyenoord two teams interested


Wow. Well good luck to him. It’s a good move to either of those clubs. Thought he might have to step down a division.


Obviously there’s the Stam Feyenoord link

Luton, not sure but apparently they have a track record of buying players out of favour and transforming them. Linking up with his old teammate Stacey (assuming they played together) as well may be a catch

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by SCIAG » 05 Jul 2019 23:18

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If only someone said that a few posts ago :wink:

Not starting the argument again but will be sad to see him go. Norwood MKII i think. Luton and Feyenoord two teams interested


Wow. Well good luck to him. It’s a good move to either of those clubs. Thought he might have to step down a division.


Obviously there’s the Stam Feyenoord link

Luton, not sure but apparently they have a track record of buying players out of favour and transforming them. Linking up with his old teammate Stacey (assuming they played together) as well may be a catch

Stacey and Kelly played together for over ten years so safe to say they might be quite close.

Hope we get good money for him - he's one of the only Championship quality midfielders we have and we can't afford to lose him without a replacement.


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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Notts Royal » 06 Jul 2019 07:03

Hound Just scanned twitter and seems like Liam Kelly could well be off in the next couple of days

Apologies, but thank fcuk for that. First of many I hope


Agreed - would be delighted with this!

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Hound » 06 Jul 2019 07:31

It’s definitely the best for all parties imo. Kelly needs to get back to where he was in Stam’s first year as he has gone very stale here

Hopefully it opens the door now to bring in an upgrade - be it Ejaria or someone else

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by The Enfield Royal71 » 06 Jul 2019 08:07

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Hound Just scanned twitter and seems like Liam Kelly could well be off in the next couple of days

Apologies, but thank fcuk for that. First of many I hope


Agreed - would be delighted with this!


I disagree. He is a very good player who has had a massive knock in confidence.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by URZZZZ » 06 Jul 2019 08:53

Ejaria wouldn’t be an upgrade on Kelly because they play in different positions. One is a deep lying midfielder who plays in the midfield two, the other ambles around in random positions, not really doing much but is meant to be part of the “3” behind the striker. East, for example would be an upgrade on Kelly in the context you’re talking about because they play in the same position. Ejaria and Kelly don’t


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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Snowflake Royal » 06 Jul 2019 08:56

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URZZZZ There’s a part of me who thinks we’ll be OK with the promising youngsters coming through. But at the same time, we’re not following too much of a dissimilar path to Ipswich 12 months ago (sell off first teamers, looking at young loans, using academy kids). Interested to see how it will pan out


Looking at the squad we apparently currently have, (assuming the 7 ostracised 1st teamers all find clubs), it will pan out exactly the same way as it did for Ipswich last season - relegation.

To me this has all the hallmarks of 71/72 when we had to make do with kids. Who would have though Stam and Gourlay would STILL be negatively impacting our club. Kids in a sweetshop back in 16/17, spending, net after transfer income, more money than all previous RFC managers put together.

I'd love to see your working for that outlandish claim.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Snowflake Royal » 06 Jul 2019 08:58

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Similar to Rino, he poses the opportunity to keep reengaging the fan base as an academy product. Not going to be a top earner and his value is likely to increase after a season with us in the championship.

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Loader is an odd one. Have a good season and his value rockets. Have a disappointing one and it probably plummets. I'd sell, but not cheap and not if we can cash in big elsewhere on Barrow, Swift or Bod.


Isn't Nova now in the final year of his contract (along with Loader and Olise)? If so there needs to be some serious thinking in the benefits of selling now vs year of experience but presumably a tribunal set compensation next year. Makes it hard to believe any of those three would be in this mythical 5.

We can easily agree longer contracts BT.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Snowflake Royal » 06 Jul 2019 09:02

URZZZZ Ejaria wouldn’t be an upgrade on Kelly because they play in different positions. One is a deep lying midfielder who plays in the midfield two, the other ambles around in random positions, not really doing much but is meant to be part of the “3” behind the striker. East, for example would be an upgrade on Kelly in the context you’re talking about because they play in the same position. Ejaria and Kelly don’t

For the hatrick

It'll be sad to see a very promising home grown young player unfairly out of favour in a position we're desperately short go. But if we can get some decent money then needs must with our wage bill. And if he's out of favour then best for him. Only question mark about him was his attitude.

Agree on the idea of Ejaria being a replacement being bonkers.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Hound » 06 Jul 2019 10:02

I didn’t say Ejaria was a direct replacement for him. I just said Kelly going would allow us to bring in a better player

(Reading back aware it could be read like that though). Agree they are totally different players

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Sutekh » 06 Jul 2019 10:09

It all helps of course but can’t see Kelly going saving too much salary wise and can’t see it being a particularly large fee either.

Wonder if he might leave on a season loan deal instead.

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Hound » 06 Jul 2019 10:17

Out of contract end of year so season long loan and he’ll be finished with us

Just to back to the above - my main issue with Kelly for a while is I don’t know what he is - attacking mid? no. Defensive mid? No. Playmaker? No. Ballwinner? No. Creative mid? No. Lampard style goalscorer? No.

I don’t know what a direct replacement for him would be because I don’t know what he actually does, other than everything averagely

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Re: Next Season's Squad.

by Snowflake Royal » 06 Jul 2019 10:18

Sutekh It all helps of course but can’t see Kelly going saving too much salary wise and can’t see it being a particularly large fee either.

Wonder if he might leave on a season loan deal instead.

Didn't he get a new deal when we finished 3rd and Stam said he was one of the best passers in the world.... around the time Gourlay came in?

Hound fair enough. I do worry we're targeting the wrong slots. Rino needs a partner and if Kelly goes it's gambling on East or playing Swift, Olise or (should he come Ejaria) out of position with no real back up until we sign someone else.

How many players did we use in CM last year?
Meyler
Bacuna
Kelly
Swift
Rinomhota
Ejaria
East
O'Shea...

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