by URZZZZ » 07 Oct 2019 16:28
by Forbury Lion » 07 Oct 2019 16:34
by genome » 07 Oct 2019 16:51
URZZZZ There are a couple of rumours on Twitter Gomes has gone. This is Twitter though so not sure how believable it is
by royalp-we » 07 Oct 2019 17:08
by Hound » 07 Oct 2019 17:33
by Snowflake Royal » 07 Oct 2019 17:41
Denver RoyalAscotexgunner Give me an argument why he should stay. The "we keep sacking managers" arguement is not a positive reason. That won't change our position.
.hughsies no.1 Would be a bad decision to get rid of Gomes now IMHO despite an awful start to the season - which obviously cannot be ignored.
Reasons why i think he should get until the end of the year to turn it around -
- 8 new signings: that is wholesale change again and doesn't all click in to place overnight, this is now Gomes' squad and we have seen glimpses of the team working together. Gomes does need to nail down a team though, as clearly still doesn't know his best XI
- Creating chances: it's not like we are coming away from these defeats waving a white flag when we go behind. If it wasn't for the poor finishing (sadly Puscas) we would have gone in at HT 1up vs Charlton, got a point at Charlton, arguably won at Swansea, drawn at Bristol. Ok, all if buts and maybes but it is not like we are not creating these chances and surely is only a matter of time
- Time: if it doesn't work out by the end of December there is still time for someone to come in and keep us up (as proven last season) and also allows for replacement to make a few signings in January if needed
- Togetherness: despite the results, Mad Stad atmosphere has changed dramatically under Gomes (C1871 clearly played a huge part but without the results on the pitch last season it wouldn't be as prominent as it is now)
- Replacement: who would we get, for me - Parky/ Ainsworth or Hughes wouldn't be the answer and there are no Dean Smith types that Villa astutely appointed last season to come in. So I don't see anyone out there at present. Suggestions welcome...
I get results are not how we want them, but if we were losing every week 3-0 / 4-0 with no shots on target etc and lack of fight I would be first to want him gone.
Give him until the end of December.
by Hendo » 07 Oct 2019 17:42
Hound Isn’t that Eddie fc character itk ?
Don’t follow a lot of twitter so don’t know
He reckons it’s happened and Hughton replacing
by Zip » 07 Oct 2019 17:44
by Denver Royal » 07 Oct 2019 17:50
Snowflake RoyalDenver RoyalAscotexgunner Give me an argument why he should stay. The "we keep sacking managers" arguement is not a positive reason. That won't change our position.
.hughsies no.1 Would be a bad decision to get rid of Gomes now IMHO despite an awful start to the season - which obviously cannot be ignored.
Reasons why i think he should get until the end of the year to turn it around -
- 8 new signings: that is wholesale change again and doesn't all click in to place overnight, this is now Gomes' squad and we have seen glimpses of the team working together. Gomes does need to nail down a team though, as clearly still doesn't know his best XI
- Creating chances: it's not like we are coming away from these defeats waving a white flag when we go behind. If it wasn't for the poor finishing (sadly Puscas) we would have gone in at HT 1up vs Charlton, got a point at Charlton, arguably won at Swansea, drawn at Bristol. Ok, all if buts and maybes but it is not like we are not creating these chances and surely is only a matter of time
- Time: if it doesn't work out by the end of December there is still time for someone to come in and keep us up (as proven last season) and also allows for replacement to make a few signings in January if needed
- Togetherness: despite the results, Mad Stad atmosphere has changed dramatically under Gomes (C1871 clearly played a huge part but without the results on the pitch last season it wouldn't be as prominent as it is now)
- Replacement: who would we get, for me - Parky/ Ainsworth or Hughes wouldn't be the answer and there are no Dean Smith types that Villa astutely appointed last season to come in. So I don't see anyone out there at present. Suggestions welcome...
I get results are not how we want them, but if we were losing every week 3-0 / 4-0 with no shots on target etc and lack of fight I would be first to want him gone.
Give him until the end of December.
8 new signings
This has some validity. It's certainly true that Baker and Ejaria took some time to flower under Gomes before. However. Ejaria and Miazga aren't actually new, they were here last season. Morrison settled in immediately as his early performances showed. Adam isn't playing. Cabral has settled in straight away. So what you really mean is that Puscas, Joao and Pele need time. Joao has never settled and established himself anywhere.
On top of that, I look at our performances and I don't see the issues being individual players. There's certainly a lack of cohesion and understanding to an extent - particularly upfront. But I can only return to the main problems, IMO, being management based. Selection, shape, tactics, substitution, pressing, passing style.
These players absolutely deserve time (mostly). I wouldn't want a new manager to be a sea change of players AGAIN. But I think a new manager with a sensible and pragmatic approach would get the players firing better. I see this as a Rodgers vs McDermott moment, not a Stam vs Clement point.
If the manager doesn't have a decent idea of his best XI or formation after 23 games last season, a full pre-season and 11 games this season, hes got no business in management.
Creating chances
We're creating a few, but not exactly lots of great chances. We haven't been fluffing good chances regularly no matter what anyone wants to say about Puscas... a few maybe. And usually once the other team has shut up shop and allowed us to play whilst we half heartedly throw the kitchen sink on the floor at our feet.
Time
This isn't a reason I'll accept. We could give him til March and still just about have time to sort it out and survive. We cannot keep ruining our season and pulling the parachute cord just in time to survive. We need to finish a season well for a change and be clear of the business end of a relegation fight.
Togetherness
I also don't accept this as valid. This is basically a case of, well the atmosphere lifted last season. Yeah, well it's now this season and clearly that isn't working anymore. The feel good factor is well and truly gone. So sorry, not buying.
Replacement
Sorry, also not having this one. You don't keep someone underperforming for fear of not being able to find someone better. There are numerous managers around with better records than Gomes. Multiple suggestions have been made and it's not the job of fans to assess appropriate replacements. I do not buy no one else could do better. I think that's a valid argument if the manager is doing the right things and the squad just isn't performing, or there's an injury crisis. But that doesn't apply to our circumstances.
So I appreciate the effort and the first two have at least some validity even if I don't agree with them. But the rest of it is just blind faith, appeals to last season or ignorance of alternatives.
Doesn't persuade me in the slightest.
by genome » 07 Oct 2019 17:53
Hound Isn’t that Eddie fc character itk ?
Don’t follow a lot of twitter so don’t know
He reckons it’s happened and Hughton replacing
by krapmle » 07 Oct 2019 17:55
by CountryRoyal » 07 Oct 2019 17:55
genomeHound Isn’t that Eddie fc character itk ?
Don’t follow a lot of twitter so don’t know
He reckons it’s happened and Hughton replacing
Yes he gets info on all the team lineups and it’s bang on every week
by krapmle » 07 Oct 2019 18:01
CountryRoyalgenomeHound Isn’t that Eddie fc character itk ?
Don’t follow a lot of twitter so don’t know
He reckons it’s happened and Hughton replacing
Yes he gets info on all the team lineups and it’s bang on every week
Interesting.
by Snowflake Royal » 07 Oct 2019 18:07
genomeHound Isn’t that Eddie fc character itk ?
Don’t follow a lot of twitter so don’t know
He reckons it’s happened and Hughton replacing
Yes he gets info on all the team lineups and it’s bang on every week
by URZZZZ » 07 Oct 2019 18:18
Snowflake RoyalgenomeHound Isn’t that Eddie fc character itk ?
Don’t follow a lot of twitter so don’t know
He reckons it’s happened and Hughton replacing
Yes he gets info on all the team lineups and it’s bang on every week
Could you chaps expand on this for the non-twatterati? I appear to have missed something.
by Millsy » 07 Oct 2019 18:23
by Millsy » 07 Oct 2019 18:24
by Simon's Church » 07 Oct 2019 18:26
by Elm Park Kid » 07 Oct 2019 18:28
by Zip » 07 Oct 2019 18:29
Snowflake RoyalDenver RoyalAscotexgunner Give me an argument why he should stay. The "we keep sacking managers" arguement is not a positive reason. That won't change our position.
.hughsies no.1 Would be a bad decision to get rid of Gomes now IMHO despite an awful start to the season - which obviously cannot be ignored.
Reasons why i think he should get until the end of the year to turn it around -
- 8 new signings: that is wholesale change again and doesn't all click in to place overnight, this is now Gomes' squad and we have seen glimpses of the team working together. Gomes does need to nail down a team though, as clearly still doesn't know his best XI
- Creating chances: it's not like we are coming away from these defeats waving a white flag when we go behind. If it wasn't for the poor finishing (sadly Puscas) we would have gone in at HT 1up vs Charlton, got a point at Charlton, arguably won at Swansea, drawn at Bristol. Ok, all if buts and maybes but it is not like we are not creating these chances and surely is only a matter of time
- Time: if it doesn't work out by the end of December there is still time for someone to come in and keep us up (as proven last season) and also allows for replacement to make a few signings in January if needed
- Togetherness: despite the results, Mad Stad atmosphere has changed dramatically under Gomes (C1871 clearly played a huge part but without the results on the pitch last season it wouldn't be as prominent as it is now)
- Replacement: who would we get, for me - Parky/ Ainsworth or Hughes wouldn't be the answer and there are no Dean Smith types that Villa astutely appointed last season to come in. So I don't see anyone out there at present. Suggestions welcome...
I get results are not how we want them, but if we were losing every week 3-0 / 4-0 with no shots on target etc and lack of fight I would be first to want him gone.
Give him until the end of December.
8 new signings
This has some validity. It's certainly true that Baker and Ejaria took some time to flower under Gomes before. However. Ejaria and Miazga aren't actually new, they were here last season. Morrison settled in immediately as his early performances showed. Adam isn't playing. Cabral has settled in straight away. So what you really mean is that Puscas, Joao and Pele need time. Joao has never settled and established himself anywhere.
On top of that, I look at our performances and I don't see the issues being individual players. There's certainly a lack of cohesion and understanding to an extent - particularly upfront. But I can only return to the main problems, IMO, being management based. Selection, shape, tactics, substitution, pressing, passing style.
These players absolutely deserve time (mostly). I wouldn't want a new manager to be a sea change of players AGAIN. But I think a new manager with a sensible and pragmatic approach would get the players firing better. I see this as a Rodgers vs McDermott moment, not a Stam vs Clement point.
If the manager doesn't have a decent idea of his best XI or formation after 23 games last season, a full pre-season and 11 games this season, hes got no business in management.
Creating chances
We're creating a few, but not exactly lots of great chances. We haven't been fluffing good chances regularly no matter what anyone wants to say about Puscas... a few maybe. And usually once the other team has shut up shop and allowed us to play whilst we half heartedly throw the kitchen sink on the floor at our feet.
Time
This isn't a reason I'll accept. We could give him til March and still just about have time to sort it out and survive. We cannot keep ruining our season and pulling the parachute cord just in time to survive. We need to finish a season well for a change and be clear of the business end of a relegation fight.
Togetherness
I also don't accept this as valid. This is basically a case of, well the atmosphere lifted last season. Yeah, well it's now this season and clearly that isn't working anymore. The feel good factor is well and truly gone. So sorry, not buying.
Replacement
Sorry, also not having this one. You don't keep someone underperforming for fear of not being able to find someone better. There are numerous managers around with better records than Gomes. Multiple suggestions have been made and it's not the job of fans to assess appropriate replacements. I do not buy no one else could do better. I think that's a valid argument if the manager is doing the right things and the squad just isn't performing, or there's an injury crisis. But that doesn't apply to our circumstances.
So I appreciate the effort and the first two have at least some validity even if I don't agree with them. But the rest of it is just blind faith, appeals to last season or ignorance of alternatives.
Doesn't persuade me in the slightest.
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