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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by NewCorkSeth » 30 Dec 2019 11:28

"Should we play our best right back when he regains fitness?" Yes. Yes is the answer.

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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by URZZZZ » 30 Dec 2019 11:52

NewCorkSeth "Should we play our best right back when he regains fitness?" Yes. Yes is the answer.


Should we keep a back four that has kept 4 clean sheets in a row? Yes. Yes is the answer

However Yiadom isn’t back for a couple of weeks yet I don’t think so circumstances by then may change

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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by URZZZZ » 30 Dec 2019 11:54

Hound I’d certainly rotate for Blackpool but leave things pretty much as they are for the moment in the league

Rino, Olise, Richards, Obita, Walker, Howe, Miazga, Boye, Baldock could all do with 90 mins


I reckon we’ll see something like

Walker
Howe
Miazga
McIntyre/Blackett
Richards
McCleary
Rino
Adam
Obita
Boye
Baldock

With Olise and Loader getting a go off the bench. Possibly one of them in for Boye if Bowen feels he has no future

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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by WoodleyRoyal » 30 Dec 2019 12:00

NewCorkSeth "Should we play our best right back when he regains fitness?" Yes. Yes is the answer.


As I said in the op the best players don’t necessarily make the best team. Where gunter may lack in technical ability he may have a more natural partnership with Morrison beside him or those in midfield in front of him.

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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by NewCorkSeth » 30 Dec 2019 12:15

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NewCorkSeth "Should we play our best right back when he regains fitness?" Yes. Yes is the answer.


Should we keep a back four that has kept 4 clean sheets in a row? Yes. Yes is the answer

However Yiadom isn’t back for a couple of weeks yet I don’t think so circumstances by then may change

Dont think you will find many top teams that keep playing their back up player when their starter returns from injury based on the team performance. Gunter has done well since being brought back into the fold but that is what you should expect of a back up player.

Yiadom has been one of our most impactful players this season. His defensive statistics line up very favourably with Gunters. His 3 assists only put him behind Swift and Joao in that regard. In fact he is our only defender to have contributed directly to more than 2 goals so far.

Gunter has long been a player I havent rated. He is playing well right now but still hasn't met the standards Yiadom set. The benefits that come with playing Yiadom outweigh the "never change a winning team" myth for me.


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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by NewCorkSeth » 30 Dec 2019 12:15

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NewCorkSeth "Should we play our best right back when he regains fitness?" Yes. Yes is the answer.


As I said in the op the best players don’t necessarily make the best team. Where gunter may lack in technical ability he may have a more natural partnership with Morrison beside him or those in midfield in front of him.

That's speculation though. Works both ways. He might have a better partnership with Morrison or those in midfield in front of him.

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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by WoodleyRoyal » 30 Dec 2019 12:18

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NewCorkSeth "Should we play our best right back when he regains fitness?" Yes. Yes is the answer.


As I said in the op the best players don’t necessarily make the best team. Where gunter may lack in technical ability he may have a more natural partnership with Morrison beside him or those in midfield in front of him.

That's speculation though. Works both ways. He might have a better partnership with Morrison or those in midfield in front of him.


Hence me using the word ‘may’. But using your own logic It’s also speculation that yiadom is our best right back....

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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by Snowflake Royal » 30 Dec 2019 12:19

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NewCorkSeth "Should we play our best right back when he regains fitness?" Yes. Yes is the answer.


Should we keep a back four that has kept 4 clean sheets in a row? Yes. Yes is the answer

However Yiadom isn’t back for a couple of weeks yet I don’t think so circumstances by then may change

Even if he was back now, IMO he has to work his way back into the team from the subs bench, even though I think he's easily better than Gunter.

Team >>>>> individual

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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by NewCorkSeth » 30 Dec 2019 12:19

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As I said in the op the best players don’t necessarily make the best team. Where gunter may lack in technical ability he may have a more natural partnership with Morrison beside him or those in midfield in front of him.

That's speculation though. Works both ways. He might have a better partnership with Morrison or those in midfield in front of him.


Hence me using the word ‘may’. But using your own logic It’s also speculation that yiadom is our best right back....

Nah. Yiadom is very clearly our best RB. It's not hard to see that.


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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by WoodleyRoyal » 30 Dec 2019 12:21

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NewCorkSeth That's speculation though. Works both ways. He might have a better partnership with Morrison or those in midfield in front of him.


Hence me using the word ‘may’. But using your own logic It’s also speculation that yiadom is our best right back....

Nah. Yiadom is very clearly our best RB. It's not hard to see that.


In your opinion.

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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by NewCorkSeth » 30 Dec 2019 12:25

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NewCorkSeth "Should we play our best right back when he regains fitness?" Yes. Yes is the answer.


Should we keep a back four that has kept 4 clean sheets in a row? Yes. Yes is the answer

However Yiadom isn’t back for a couple of weeks yet I don’t think so circumstances by then may change

Even if he was back now, IMO he has to work his way back into the team from the subs bench, even though I think he's easily better than Gunter.

Team >>>>> individual

Depends on the player no? Swift didnt have to work his way back into the team.

You think if TAA got injured Klopp wouldn't slot him back in even if Gomez had been good?

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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by NewCorkSeth » 30 Dec 2019 12:25

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Hence me using the word ‘may’. But using your own logic It’s also speculation that yiadom is our best right back....

Nah. Yiadom is very clearly our best RB. It's not hard to see that.


In your opinion.

You ever watched the good wife?

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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by WoodleyRoyal » 30 Dec 2019 12:27

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NewCorkSeth Nah. Yiadom is very clearly our best RB. It's not hard to see that.


In your opinion.

You ever watched the good wife?


Can’t say I have, no.


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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by Snowflake Royal » 30 Dec 2019 12:28

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Should we keep a back four that has kept 4 clean sheets in a row? Yes. Yes is the answer

However Yiadom isn’t back for a couple of weeks yet I don’t think so circumstances by then may change

Even if he was back now, IMO he has to work his way back into the team from the subs bench, even though I think he's easily better than Gunter.

Team >>>>> individual

Depends on the player no? Swift didnt have to work his way back into the team.

You think if TAA got injured Klopp wouldn't slot him back in even if Gomez had been good?

We hadn't just won 3 games in a row with 4 clean sheets. We very obviously missed Swift, we're not missing Yiadom.

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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by NewCorkSeth » 30 Dec 2019 12:30

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In your opinion.

You ever watched the good wife?


Can’t say I have, no.

If you're ever looking for a series to binge it is actually very good. There is a judge in it who insists on everyone stating "in my opinion" at the end of a statement.

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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by NewCorkSeth » 30 Dec 2019 12:31

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Snowflake Royal Even if he was back now, IMO he has to work his way back into the team from the subs bench, even though I think he's easily better than Gunter.

Team >>>>> individual

Depends on the player no? Swift didnt have to work his way back into the team.

You think if TAA got injured Klopp wouldn't slot him back in even if Gomez had been good?

We hadn't just won 3 games in a row with 4 clean sheets. We very obviously missed Swift, we're not missing Yiadom.

And if we had won 3 in a row you would be against bring our best player back into the team?

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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by Snowflake Royal » 30 Dec 2019 12:33

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NewCorkSeth Depends on the player no? Swift didnt have to work his way back into the team.

You think if TAA got injured Klopp wouldn't slot him back in even if Gomez had been good?

We hadn't just won 3 games in a row with 4 clean sheets. We very obviously missed Swift, we're not missing Yiadom.

And if we had won 3 in a row you would be against bring our best player back into the team?

Yes.

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by NewCorkSeth » 30 Dec 2019 12:33

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Snowflake Royal We hadn't just won 3 games in a row with 4 clean sheets. We very obviously missed Swift, we're not missing Yiadom.

And if we had won 3 in a row you would be against bring our best player back into the team?

Yes.

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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by URZZZZ » 30 Dec 2019 12:37

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NewCorkSeth "Should we play our best right back when he regains fitness?" Yes. Yes is the answer.


Should we keep a back four that has kept 4 clean sheets in a row? Yes. Yes is the answer

However Yiadom isn’t back for a couple of weeks yet I don’t think so circumstances by then may change

Dont think you will find many top teams that keep playing their back up player when their starter returns from injury based on the team performance. Gunter has done well since being brought back into the fold but that is what you should expect of a back up player.

Yiadom has been one of our most impactful players this season. His defensive statistics line up very favourably with Gunters. His 3 assists only put him behind Swift and Joao in that regard. In fact he is our only defender to have contributed directly to more than 2 goals so far.

Gunter has long been a player I havent rated. He is playing well right now but still hasn't met the standards Yiadom set. The benefits that come with playing Yiadom outweigh the "never change a winning team" myth for me.


Gunter should have had at least one assist against QPR

Is it his fault Ejaria missed a sitter? Joao probably should have scored from his cross? Is that Gunter’s fault that the crosses he’s doing aren’t being converted?

A backup player should be able to stake their place in the team, otherwise what’s the point of them even trying if the regular comes in straight away regardless of how the backup is playing

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Re: Upset the Apple cart.

by NewCorkSeth » 30 Dec 2019 12:40

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Should we keep a back four that has kept 4 clean sheets in a row? Yes. Yes is the answer

However Yiadom isn’t back for a couple of weeks yet I don’t think so circumstances by then may change

Dont think you will find many top teams that keep playing their back up player when their starter returns from injury based on the team performance. Gunter has done well since being brought back into the fold but that is what you should expect of a back up player.

Yiadom has been one of our most impactful players this season. His defensive statistics line up very favourably with Gunters. His 3 assists only put him behind Swift and Joao in that regard. In fact he is our only defender to have contributed directly to more than 2 goals so far.

Gunter has long been a player I havent rated. He is playing well right now but still hasn't met the standards Yiadom set. The benefits that come with playing Yiadom outweigh the "never change a winning team" myth for me.


Gunter should have had at least one assist against QPR

Is it his fault Ejaria missed a sitter? Joao probably should have scored from his cross? Is that Gunter’s fault that the crosses he’s doing aren’t being converted?

A backup player should be able to stake their place in the team, otherwise what’s the point of them even trying if the regular comes in straight away regardless of how the backup is playing

A backup player should yes. I'm arguing he hasn't been good enough to take the starting spot yet.

Why not look to improve the team? Yiadom would improve the team.

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