by Zip » 27 Dec 2020 09:38
by Hound » 27 Dec 2020 09:39
by Zip » 27 Dec 2020 09:48
by Zip » 27 Dec 2020 09:51
by Nameless » 27 Dec 2020 10:19
Zip Just on Gibson it is a quad injury although he had a hamstring issue in the first half v Norwich.
by Sutekh » 27 Dec 2020 12:13
NamelessZip Just on Gibson it is a quad injury although he had a hamstring issue in the first half v Norwich.
Both Joao and Swift have a history of this though, and Gibson has hardly played so it can’t be overuse in his case.
I have no idea if other clubs have similar injury profiles, and no idea how you would find out.
It would be very unprofessional if an experienced manager and coaching set up weren’t aware of these risks but we’re hardly the only club with major injury problems this season.
It’s also interesting that I recall many times when people onhere have speculated that our training and medical setups were responsible for injuries or delayed recovery. Given we’ve churned our management, coaching and medical staff several times in recent years I was th8nking it must be the water at the trin8ng ground that causes it - until I realised we’v changed where we train !
by Mid Sussex Royal » 27 Dec 2020 12:42
by Snowflake Royal » 27 Dec 2020 17:22
by Hound » 27 Dec 2020 18:02
by Royal Ginger » 28 Dec 2020 00:13
Zip I’m not aware of other clubs having the level of hamstring injuries we are picking up. Are the players being pushed too much in training? With the sheer number of games being played training has to be light in between.
by paddy20 » 28 Dec 2020 09:17
Mid Sussex Royal Need to remember it's not a normal season and there wasn't a normal pre-season either and its not just us at the top end who have had injuries. Both Watford and Norwich have had 6 or 7 out for a while at some point, the difference is they have premier league size squads to cope. Look at Bristol, they lost several players at the same time and haven't really recovered so that's at least 4 sides at the top including us and Bournemouth have had injuries to key players too. I don't know about the rest of the league as only really look at our rivals, it seems this has been made an issue as Luton had a fully fit squad yesterday.
What ever happens we will be in touch when most of our injuries get sorted (most due back in Jan) and the returning players will be fresh too which will help a lot.
by Sutekh » 28 Dec 2020 09:53
by Nameless » 28 Dec 2020 10:24
paddy20Mid Sussex Royal Need to remember it's not a normal season and there wasn't a normal pre-season either and its not just us at the top end who have had injuries. Both Watford and Norwich have had 6 or 7 out for a while at some point, the difference is they have premier league size squads to cope. Look at Bristol, they lost several players at the same time and haven't really recovered so that's at least 4 sides at the top including us and Bournemouth have had injuries to key players too. I don't know about the rest of the league as only really look at our rivals, it seems this has been made an issue as Luton had a fully fit squad yesterday.
What ever happens we will be in touch when most of our injuries get sorted (most due back in Jan) and the returning players will be fresh too which will help a lot.
Fresh but not match fit. Could be another 3/4 games before they are at 100%
by RoyalBlue » 28 Dec 2020 11:06
Namelesspaddy20Mid Sussex Royal Need to remember it's not a normal season and there wasn't a normal pre-season either and its not just us at the top end who have had injuries. Both Watford and Norwich have had 6 or 7 out for a while at some point, the difference is they have premier league size squads to cope. Look at Bristol, they lost several players at the same time and haven't really recovered so that's at least 4 sides at the top including us and Bournemouth have had injuries to key players too. I don't know about the rest of the league as only really look at our rivals, it seems this has been made an issue as Luton had a fully fit squad yesterday.
What ever happens we will be in touch when most of our injuries get sorted (most due back in Jan) and the returning players will be fresh too which will help a lot.
Fresh but not match fit. Could be another 3/4 games before they are at 100%
If you’ve been out for a month it shouldn’t take 4 matches to get back to match fitness should it ?
You’d hope players who have been out longer (Swift) get phased in so by the time they start a game they are properly match fit.
by RoyalBlue » 28 Dec 2020 11:09
Sutekh Liam Moore has a broken toe and is not expected back until early February
by Nameless » 28 Dec 2020 11:21
RoyalBlueNamelesspaddy20
Fresh but not match fit. Could be another 3/4 games before they are at 100%
If you’ve been out for a month it shouldn’t take 4 matches to get back to match fitness should it ?
You’d hope players who have been out longer (Swift) get phased in so by the time they start a game they are properly match fit.
I'd be interested in a sport scientist's take on that. I suspect it might take that long to get back to full match fitness and, as importantly, match speed.
by Snowflake Royal » 28 Dec 2020 12:56
by Stranded » 28 Dec 2020 13:03
NamelessRoyalBlueNameless
If you’ve been out for a month it shouldn’t take 4 matches to get back to match fitness should it ?
You’d hope players who have been out longer (Swift) get phased in so by the time they start a game they are properly match fit.
I'd be interested in a sport scientist's take on that. I suspect it might take that long to get back to full match fitness and, as importantly, match speed.
I was always told if you took no exercise for 2 weeks you didn’t really lose any fitness (although whether that holds good for an elite athlete I don’t know). Assuming an injured player is still able to do some kind of fitness work it would seem odd if in just a month they dropped so much that it would take several weeks of full training and 4 matches to regain the level they were at.
As you suggest the thoughts of someone with specific knowledge would be interesting. I’m guessing it will vary according to physiology, type of injury, position played and other factors.
by Nameless » 28 Dec 2020 13:10
StrandedNamelessRoyalBlue
I'd be interested in a sport scientist's take on that. I suspect it might take that long to get back to full match fitness and, as importantly, match speed.
I was always told if you took no exercise for 2 weeks you didn’t really lose any fitness (although whether that holds good for an elite athlete I don’t know). Assuming an injured player is still able to do some kind of fitness work it would seem odd if in just a month they dropped so much that it would take several weeks of full training and 4 matches to regain the level they were at.
As you suggest the thoughts of someone with specific knowledge would be interesting. I’m guessing it will vary according to physiology, type of injury, position played and other factors.
RB is pretty right there in that it is match speed that will take a few games to get back to full pelt for a player after a few months out - his base fitness will be fine but he'll be split seconds off his usual speed of thought for a couple of games - the half hour on Boxing Day will have helped and if he gets an hour or so on Weds better still.
He will also be fit but not necessarily the right sort of fit to compete at a high level for 90mins.
by RoyalBlue » 28 Dec 2020 13:40
NamelessRoyalBlueNameless
If you’ve been out for a month it shouldn’t take 4 matches to get back to match fitness should it ?
You’d hope players who have been out longer (Swift) get phased in so by the time they start a game they are properly match fit.
I'd be interested in a sport scientist's take on that. I suspect it might take that long to get back to full match fitness and, as importantly, match speed.
I was always told if you took no exercise for 2 weeks you didn’t really lose any fitness (although whether that holds good for an elite athlete I don’t know). Assuming an injured player is still able to do some kind of fitness work it would seem odd if in just a month they dropped so much that it would take several weeks of full training and 4 matches to regain the level they were at.
As you suggest the thoughts of someone with specific knowledge would be interesting. I’m guessing it will vary according to physiology, type of injury, position played and other factors.
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