Rival Watch

[Elm Park Kid]

Are we saying that managers aren't allowed to get drunk?

[Snowflake Royal]

Are we saying that managers aren't allowed to get drunk?

It not a great look for a club that recently had its captain involved in a drunk drive serious crash involving other players.

Nor is it a great look for a guy who has already cheated on his wife with an old prostitute.

[NathStPaul]

Are we saying that managers aren't allowed to get drunk?

It not a great look for a club that recently had its captain involved in a drunk drive serious crash involving other players.

Nor is it a great look for a guy who has already cheated on his wife with an old prostitute.

Yeah, this.

As a manager you should be an example to the other players and especially the young lads. What authority will Rooney have if players are out getting drunk and getting up to no good during the season? None at all.

Derby are a basketcase of a club, deserve all they are going to get this season. Reading aren't much better off in terms of financial hardship but at least we have a serious manager and decent pros at the club.

[Elm Park Kid]

Are we saying that managers aren't allowed to get drunk?

It not a great look for a club that recently had its captain involved in a drunk drive serious crash involving other players.

Nor is it a great look for a guy who has already cheated on his wife with an old prostitute.

I appreciate your point. But . . come on. . . . lets not be hypocrites or moral guardians here. It's pretty normal for people to go out and drink too much on holiday. I appreciate that those involved in football need to consider their status as role models, but getting pissed now and again is hardly a sin.

[Coppells Lost Coat]

Yeah its not illegal and a fairly common thing that happens in life.

But as people have said - the manager is supposed to be a leader, someone who commands respect. One to lead by some sort of example.
Its not a great look for himself or the club. Rooney will be the butt of a lot jokes which is deserved and expected, but he in a position of power it may sway his judgement.

[muirinho]

Are we saying that managers aren't allowed to get drunk?

It not a great look for a club that recently had its captain involved in a drunk drive serious crash involving other players.

Keogh has won his case for compensation as well, so that's £2million Derby need to find. Always a bad look when it's the player not driving that gets sacked, and the two that were driving weren't. If drink-driving was the issue (and Keogh didn't stop the others), all three players should have been sacked - that consistency of approach would have helped them in the appeal. Was blindingly obvious Keogh was sacked because they wanted to get out of his contract - but of course, Derby being a basket-case, they didn't have anybody sensible looking at the situation.

Nor is it a great look for a guy who has already cheated on his wife with an old prostitute.

Bit of an aside here, but genuine question, as this seems to come up again and again.
Why does it matter what age she was?
Either you're cheating or you're not.
I'm genuinely baffled about what difference the age makes, when we're talking about cheating with a prostitute.
The only time I can see the age making a difference is when it's an affair - because that's long-term-relationship, so age gap would matter more.
But not with a prostitute.
Is this some sort of male ego thing, where sex with young women is fine, but with older women isn't?

[Snowflake Royal]

Are we saying that managers aren't allowed to get drunk?

It not a great look for a club that recently had its captain involved in a drunk drive serious crash involving other players.

Keogh has won his case for compensation as well, so that's £2million Derby need to find. Always a bad look when it's the player not driving that gets sacked, and the two that were driving weren't. If drink-driving was the issue (and Keogh didn't stop the others), all three players should have been sacked - that consistency of approach would have helped them in the appeal. Was blindingly obvious Keogh was sacked because they wanted to get out of his contract - but of course, Derby being a basket-case, they didn't have anybody sensible looking at the situation.

Nor is it a great look for a guy who has already cheated on his wife with an old prostitute.

Bit of an aside here, but genuine question, as this seems to come up again and again.
Why does it matter what age she was?
Either you're cheating or you're not.
I'm genuinely baffled about what difference the age makes, when we're talking about cheating with a prostitute.
The only time I can see the age making a difference is when it's an affair - because that's long-term-relationship, so age gap would matter more.
But not with a prostitute.
Is this some sort of male ego thing, where sex with young women is fine, but with older women isn't?

It suggests a greater lack of respect and care for your partner if you're going for someone else significantly older / uglier. And in Rooney's case some sort of weird grandma fetish.

I mean, he's got the pick of any escort and prostitute he wants, and he chose to go there.

[Brum Royal]

Whilst we're on the subject of Rooney and Derby:

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wayne-rooney-jason-knight-injury-5702795

A ‘50-50 tackle’ from Derby County manager Wayne Rooney was allegedly the cause of an injury to midfielder Jason Knight which has sidelined him for up to 12 weeks.

The Telegraph claims Knight's ankle was injured in the accident with the Rams boss who was making up the numbers during a training session at Pennyhill Park while the club were away in Surrey.

Knight has missed the last two friendly games against Manchester United and Salford City and Rooney confirmed the player’s lay-off at the weekend.

“Jason will be out for eight to 12 weeks,” he said.

"He has rocked his ankle , thankfully, he doesn't need surgery but needs the time to make sure he gets his ankle strong again.

"Of course (it is a huge blow), everyone knows what Knighty brings to us, he is a fantastic player, great energy, and he will be a loss, but we have to deal with that."

Therefore, losing him for the start of the season will serve as a major blow to Rooney, especially as the club currently only have nine registered senior players on their books, including two goalkeepers.

Oops.

[Elm Park Kid]

Yeah its not illegal and a fairly common thing that happens in life.

But as people have said - the manager is supposed to be a leader, someone who commands respect. One to lead by some sort of example.
Its not a great look for himself or the club. Rooney will be the butt of a lot jokes which is deserved and expected, but he in a position of power it may sway his judgement.

Though if it was Allardyce or Steve Bruce out on the lash, I can imagine that the response would be closer to 'Haha, good on yer lad. Blow off some steam."

[muirinho]

Nor is it a great look for a guy who has already cheated on his wife with an old prostitute.

Bit of an aside here, but genuine question, as this seems to come up again and again.
Why does it matter what age she was?
Either you're cheating or you're not.
I'm genuinely baffled about what difference the age makes, when we're talking about cheating with a prostitute.
The only time I can see the age making a difference is when it's an affair - because that's long-term-relationship, so age gap would matter more.
But not with a prostitute.
Is this some sort of male ego thing, where sex with young women is fine, but with older women isn't?

It suggests a greater lack of respect and care for your partner if you're going for someone else significantly older / uglier. And in Rooney's case some sort of weird grandma fetish.

I mean, he's got the pick of any escort and prostitute he wants, and he chose to go there.

????

She was in her 40s. Not her 90s. That's not a grandma fetish.

I'm not defending Rooney particularly here, but this just reeks of misogyny and double standards. Like women in their 40s are ugly and old, and no good at sex. Maybe he decided to "go there" because she came highly recommended and was good at her job. Maybe he actually thought it would be better - as in, look Coleen, she's not competition, I was just scratching an itch. Bet nobody would bat an eyelid if a young actress, say, paid for a male escort in his 40s

Anyway, I'll shut up now, but the workings of the male mind never fail to amaze...

[Snowflake Royal]

Bit of an aside here, but genuine question, as this seems to come up again and again.
Why does it matter what age she was?
Either you're cheating or you're not.
I'm genuinely baffled about what difference the age makes, when we're talking about cheating with a prostitute.
The only time I can see the age making a difference is when it's an affair - because that's long-term-relationship, so age gap would matter more.
But not with a prostitute.
Is this some sort of male ego thing, where sex with young women is fine, but with older women isn't?

It suggests a greater lack of respect and care for your partner if you're going for someone else significantly older / uglier. And in Rooney's case some sort of weird grandma fetish.

I mean, he's got the pick of any escort and prostitute he wants, and he chose to go there.

????

She was in her 40s. Not her 90s. That's not a grandma fetish.

I'm not defending Rooney particularly here, but this just reeks of misogyny and double standards. Like women in their 40s are ugly and old, and no good at sex. Maybe he decided to "go there" because she came highly recommended and was good at her job. Maybe he actually thought it would be better - as in, look Coleen, she's not competition, I was just scratching an itch. Bet nobody would bat an eyelid if a young actress, say, paid for a male escort in his 40s

Anyway, I'll shut up now, but the workings of the male mind never fail to amaze...

Never paid that much attention to the story, it always came across as someone in their 60s 70s from the headlines.

[Lower West]

Rooney is going the way of Paul Gascoigne. Shame that there'll both be remembered for all the wrong reasons.

[Hendo]

Rooney is going the way of Paul Gascoigne. Shame that there'll both be remembered for all the wrong reasons.

Not enough at this comment.

Gazza is/will be remembered by the majority of fans for a) coming onto the world scene at Italia '90 and b) Euro '96

Rooney is one of the best strikers ever to play in England - I am sure a little bit of off field stuff won't come anywhere close to what he will be remembered for.

[Snowflake Royal]

Flat track bully who rarely performed when it mattered

[Stranded]

Flat track bully who rarely performed when it mattered

Have no strong feelings about Rooney one way or t'otherbut can you back up that assertion?

[Snowflake Royal]

Flat track bully who rarely performed when it mattered

Have no strong feelings about Rooney one way or t'otherbut can you back up that assertion?

Give me a sec.

[muirinho]

Never paid that much attention to the story, it always came across as someone in their 60s 70s from the headlines.

That's the S*n for you.

[Snowflake Royal]

Rooney International goals

Friendlies - 16
Euro qualifying - 14
WC qualifying - 16
Euros - 6
WC - 1

Four of his finals goals came in heavy wins against the Swiss (ranked 47) and Croatia(20) in 2004 group stage games, England lose to Portugal in first KO stage.

Another in a 1-0 xxxx win against Ukraine (15) in a 2008 group stage game, England drew a blank against Italy and were knocked out in the first KO game.

And the 1-2 defeat to Iceland (27) in 2016 KO stage.

His only WC Finals goal was in the draw with Uruguay.

He was a senior player in the 2014 WC debacle where England finished bottom of their group.

He was part of the infamous EASY group in 2010 where England played out an absolutely horrendous 0-0 with Algeria and drew with the States.

Take Kane. 6 goals, golden boot. Scored more goals in a single game than Rooney has in multiple WC Finals.

Similar stories of showing up from the likes of Linekar, Shearer, Owen.

Kane's scored against a major nation in a Finals - Germany
Owen - Argentina
Shearer - Netherlands
Linekar - Argentina & West Germany (golden boot in 86)

[Snowflake Royal]

Never paid that much attention to the story, it always came across as someone in their 60s 70s from the headlines.

That's the S*n for you.

Its a fair cop other than reading the sun.

It's nothing to do with gender though.

[Snowflake Royal]

Rooney International goals

Friendlies - 16
Euro qualifying - 14
WC qualifying - 16
Euros - 6
WC - 1

Four of his finals goals came in heavy wins against the Swiss (ranked 47) and Croatia(20) in 2004 group stage games, England lose to Portugal in first KO stage.

Another in a 1-0 xxxx win against Ukraine (15) in a 2008 group stage game, England drew a blank against Italy and were knocked out in the first KO game.

And the 1-2 defeat to Iceland (27) in 2016 KO stage.

His only WC Finals goal was in the draw with Uruguay.

He was a senior player in the 2014 WC debacle where England finished bottom of their group.

He was part of the infamous EASY group in 2010 where England played out an absolutely horrendous 0-0 with Algeria and drew with the States.

Take Kane. 6 goals, golden boot. Scored more goals in a single game than Rooney has in multiple WC Finals.

Similar stories of showing up from the likes of Linekar, Shearer, Owen.

Kane's scored against a major nation in a Finals - Germany
Owen - Argentina
Linekar - Argentina & West Germany (golden boot in 86)

Goal rates
Friendlies - 1 in 2.88
WC qualifiers - 1 in 1.63
Euro qualifiers - 1 in 1.93
WC Finals - 1 in 11
Euro Finals - 1 in 1.67

His Euro Finals ratio is decent but totally skewed by scoring 4 group stage goals in 2 games in 2004.