Pauno out

[Hound]

It just wasn't a decent team by any stretch.

Southwood - fine
Moore - hideously off form, possibly still carrying an injury
Holmes - fine, but not in favoured position
Dann - fine
Tetek - very inexperienced and just back from injury
Laurent - fine
Ashcroft -not ready, had 1 game previously
TDB - still very inexperienced and very inconsistent
AH - just back from injury and not on great form
Baba - fine
Carroll - fine but caveat of not been playing a lot, not preseason etc

Subs - Puscas - awful form, Hoilett - back from 2 months off injured

If we turned out that team for the rest of the season, we'd go down. Honestly think thats as weak a team as we've put out for years

and Chris Hughton? have you seen Forest with him and since he got the boot?

[URZZZZ]

It just wasn't a decent team by any stretch.

Southwood - fine
Moore - hideously off form, possibly still carrying an injury
Holmes - fine, but not in favoured position
Dann - fine
Tetek - very inexperienced and just back from injury
Laurent - fine
Ashcroft -not ready, had 1 game previously
TDB - still very inexperienced and very inconsistent
AH - just back from injury and not on great form
Baba - fine
Carroll - fine but caveat of not been playing a lot, not preseason etc

Subs - Puscas - awful form, Hoilett - back from 2 months off injured

If we turned out that team for the rest of the season, we'd go down. Honestly think thats as weak a team as we've put out for years

and Chris Hughton? have you seen Forest with him and since he got the boot?

You can play that game with West Brom though. They had a back three consisting of a CM (Livermore), and a LW (Reach), a very inexperienced 19 year old making his fourth appearance and a couple of players woefully out of form (Hugill, just the 1 goal so far this season). Furthermore, their bench consisted of 6 youngsters and Button (GK) whereas at least we had a couple of options to bring on

All in all, it was two badly weakened teams relying on players out of positions/players out of form/young inexperienced players. And yet they dominated us from start to finish

[Hound]

It just wasn't a decent team by any stretch.

Southwood - fine
Moore - hideously off form, possibly still carrying an injury
Holmes - fine, but not in favoured position
Dann - fine
Tetek - very inexperienced and just back from injury
Laurent - fine
Ashcroft -not ready, had 1 game previously
TDB - still very inexperienced and very inconsistent
AH - just back from injury and not on great form
Baba - fine
Carroll - fine but caveat of not been playing a lot, not preseason etc

Subs - Puscas - awful form, Hoilett - back from 2 months off injured

If we turned out that team for the rest of the season, we'd go down. Honestly think thats as weak a team as we've put out for years

and Chris Hughton? have you seen Forest with him and since he got the boot?

You can play that game with West Brom though. They had a back three consisting of a CM (Livermore), and a LW (Reach), a very inexperienced 19 year old making his fourth appearance and a couple of players woefully out of form (Hugill, just the 1 goal so far this season). Furthermore, their bench consisted of 6 youngsters and Button (GK) whereas at least we had a couple of options to bring on

All in all, it was two badly weakened teams relying on players out of positions/players out of form/young inexperienced players. And yet they dominated us from start to finish

Yep don’t know how the poor lads coped with their 15m strikers, 7m goalkeepers, full Irish international regulars, experienced Prem players and expensive freebies in Reach and Mowatt

Anyway it’s nothing to do with WBA. I was taking issue calling our cobbled together bunch of cheap freebies, punts on semi retired players who didn’t have a preseason and academy lads who aren’t ready a decent team. Moore is the only one who wasn’t a free/loan in the first 11 wasn’t he?

[Snowflake Royal]

It just wasn't a decent team by any stretch.

Southwood - fine
Moore - hideously off form, possibly still carrying an injury
Holmes - fine, but not in favoured position
Dann - fine
Tetek - very inexperienced and just back from injury
Laurent - fine
Ashcroft -not ready, had 1 game previously
TDB - still very inexperienced and very inconsistent
AH - just back from injury and not on great form
Baba - fine
Carroll - fine but caveat of not been playing a lot, not preseason etc

Subs - Puscas - awful form, Hoilett - back from 2 months off injured

If we turned out that team for the rest of the season, we'd go down. Honestly think thats as weak a team as we've put out for years

and Chris Hughton? have you seen Forest with him and since he got the boot?

weakest is a bit excessive. But delusional to think it's even remotely strong. Though this view brought to you by someone who thinks nationality is important to be a good manager and Liam Moore would walk into any team in the division.

On Hughton, his record at Forest was poor, but he's proved himself multiple times elsewhere qnd sometimes it's wrong person wrong club wrong time. Doesn’t mean he's shit.

Not that there's much point in sacking Pauno. We'd still have horrendous injuries and only appoint someone without relevant experience anyway.

[Hound]

It just wasn't a decent team by any stretch.

Southwood - fine
Moore - hideously off form, possibly still carrying an injury
Holmes - fine, but not in favoured position
Dann - fine
Tetek - very inexperienced and just back from injury
Laurent - fine
Ashcroft -not ready, had 1 game previously
TDB - still very inexperienced and very inconsistent
AH - just back from injury and not on great form
Baba - fine
Carroll - fine but caveat of not been playing a lot, not preseason etc

Subs - Puscas - awful form, Hoilett - back from 2 months off injured

If we turned out that team for the rest of the season, we'd go down. Honestly think thats as weak a team as we've put out for years

and Chris Hughton? have you seen Forest with him and since he got the boot?

weakest is a bit excessive. But delusional to think it's even remotely strong. Though this view brought to you by someone who thinks nationality is important to be a good manager and Liam Moore would walk into any team in the division.

On Hughton, his record at Forest was poor, but he's proved himself multiple times elsewhere qnd sometimes it's wrong person wrong club wrong time. Doesn’t mean he's shit.

Not that there's much point in sacking Pauno. We'd still have horrendous injuries and only appoint someone without relevant experience anyway.

Did say as weak as rather than weakest but what team have we put out worse in recent years?

Only one that springs to mind is Gomes season 2 vs Sheff weds

[leon]

Anyway - we're shit and the catastrophic injuries we keep getting are making us even worse. It's going to be a long winter.

Happy Christmas.

[Snowflake Royal]

It just wasn't a decent team by any stretch.

Southwood - fine
Moore - hideously off form, possibly still carrying an injury
Holmes - fine, but not in favoured position
Dann - fine
Tetek - very inexperienced and just back from injury
Laurent - fine
Ashcroft -not ready, had 1 game previously
TDB - still very inexperienced and very inconsistent
AH - just back from injury and not on great form
Baba - fine
Carroll - fine but caveat of not been playing a lot, not preseason etc

Subs - Puscas - awful form, Hoilett - back from 2 months off injured

If we turned out that team for the rest of the season, we'd go down. Honestly think thats as weak a team as we've put out for years

and Chris Hughton? have you seen Forest with him and since he got the boot?

weakest is a bit excessive. But delusional to think it's even remotely strong. Though this view brought to you by someone who thinks nationality is important to be a good manager and Liam Moore would walk into any team in the division.

On Hughton, his record at Forest was poor, but he's proved himself multiple times elsewhere qnd sometimes it's wrong person wrong club wrong time. Doesn’t mean he's shit.

Not that there's much point in sacking Pauno. We'd still have horrendous injuries and only appoint someone without relevant experience anyway.

Did say as weak as rather than weakest but what team have we put out worse in recent years?

Only one that springs to mind is Gomes season 2 vs Sheff weds

Yeah, true. I reckon McDermott put out some dreadful sides second time round, as did Stam and Clement.

Id probably have to work to find one though. But think there's an understandable bit of recency bias creeping in there. Didn’t think you were far off, just a little quibble.

[URZZZZ]

It just wasn't a decent team by any stretch.

Southwood - fine
Moore - hideously off form, possibly still carrying an injury
Holmes - fine, but not in favoured position
Dann - fine
Tetek - very inexperienced and just back from injury
Laurent - fine
Ashcroft -not ready, had 1 game previously
TDB - still very inexperienced and very inconsistent
AH - just back from injury and not on great form
Baba - fine
Carroll - fine but caveat of not been playing a lot, not preseason etc

Subs - Puscas - awful form, Hoilett - back from 2 months off injured

If we turned out that team for the rest of the season, we'd go down. Honestly think thats as weak a team as we've put out for years

and Chris Hughton? have you seen Forest with him and since he got the boot?

You can play that game with West Brom though. They had a back three consisting of a CM (Livermore), and a LW (Reach), a very inexperienced 19 year old making his fourth appearance and a couple of players woefully out of form (Hugill, just the 1 goal so far this season). Furthermore, their bench consisted of 6 youngsters and Button (GK) whereas at least we had a couple of options to bring on

All in all, it was two badly weakened teams relying on players out of positions/players out of form/young inexperienced players. And yet they dominated us from start to finish

Yep don’t know how the poor lads coped with their 15m strikers, 7m goalkeepers, full Irish international regulars, experienced Prem players and expensive freebies in Reach and Mowatt

Anyway it’s nothing to do with WBA. I was taking issue calling our cobbled together bunch of cheap freebies, punts on semi retired players who didn’t have a preseason and academy lads who aren’t ready a decent team. Moore is the only one who wasn’t a free/loan in the first 11 wasn’t he?

Simple means of comparison given they were our opponents. There’s a fair amount of average Champ players in that squad and the fact they spent £15 million on the likes of Grant and Robinson is more a reflection on the club’s transfer policy rather than the players themselves

Not discrediting your point btw - it isn’t an ideal situation to be in. But like Sheffield, there and ways and means of approaching a game and that isn’t it, regardless of the hand you’re forced into. Having one highlight and it being a shot which went out for a throw in says enough

[Sutekh]

You can play that game with West Brom though. They had a back three consisting of a CM (Livermore), and a LW (Reach), a very inexperienced 19 year old making his fourth appearance and a couple of players woefully out of form (Hugill, just the 1 goal so far this season). Furthermore, their bench consisted of 6 youngsters and Button (GK) whereas at least we had a couple of options to bring on

All in all, it was two badly weakened teams relying on players out of positions/players out of form/young inexperienced players. And yet they dominated us from start to finish

Yep don’t know how the poor lads coped with their 15m strikers, 7m goalkeepers, full Irish international regulars, experienced Prem players and expensive freebies in Reach and Mowatt

Anyway it’s nothing to do with WBA. I was taking issue calling our cobbled together bunch of cheap freebies, punts on semi retired players who didn’t have a preseason and academy lads who aren’t ready a decent team. Moore is the only one who wasn’t a free/loan in the first 11 wasn’t he?

Simple means of comparison given they were our opponents. There’s a fair amount of average Champ players in that squad and the fact they spent £15 million on the likes of Grant and Robinson is more a reflection on the club’s transfer policy rather than the players themselves

Not discrediting your point btw - it isn’t an ideal situation to be in. But like Sheffield, there and ways and means of approaching a game and that isn’t it, regardless of the hand you’re forced into. Having one highlight and it being a shot which went out for a throw in says enough

I actually though the highlight was Carroll’s goal line clearance.

[URZZZZ]

It just wasn't a decent team by any stretch.

Southwood - fine
Moore - hideously off form, possibly still carrying an injury
Holmes - fine, but not in favoured position
Dann - fine
Tetek - very inexperienced and just back from injury
Laurent - fine
Ashcroft -not ready, had 1 game previously
TDB - still very inexperienced and very inconsistent
AH - just back from injury and not on great form
Baba - fine
Carroll - fine but caveat of not been playing a lot, not preseason etc

Subs - Puscas - awful form, Hoilett - back from 2 months off injured

If we turned out that team for the rest of the season, we'd go down. Honestly think thats as weak a team as we've put out for years

and Chris Hughton? have you seen Forest with him and since he got the boot?

weakest is a bit excessive. But delusional to think it's even remotely strong. Though this view brought to you by someone who thinks nationality is important to be a good manager and Liam Moore would walk into any team in the division.

On Hughton, his record at Forest was poor, but he's proved himself multiple times elsewhere qnd sometimes it's wrong person wrong club wrong time. Doesn’t mean he's shit.

Not that there's much point in sacking Pauno. We'd still have horrendous injuries and only appoint someone without relevant experience anyway.

Not 100% sure but seem to recall Forest having a fairly young squad with Hughton normally operating better with more experienced heads. Like you said, it’s likely he wasn’t the right fit

Do agree that the calls for “British” managers is a little odd. As ever, really don’t think there’s any correlation between that and success, yet it’s said a fair amount. Likewise the experienced point, especially considering Hughton, Warnock and McCarthy have all been sacked this season

[linkenholtroyal]

As I have stated before for as long as we are not in the relegation spots Pauno will stay, not because he is the best fit or the best manager in the championship it comes down to money.
If we sack him we have to pay a severance package that will not help our FFP situation. The most likely outcome is that they will give him to the end of the season and reevaluate then as his contract is up anyway. Unless we plummet and end up in the relegation zone and we don’t look like we are going to get out of it.
All the names being bounded around are also managers who have been sacked recently and are not likely to do better than Pauno. Let’s also be realistic in the fact that Pauno has had 2 years of FFP restrictions, transfer embargo’s and point deductions. He has not been able to sign players he wants mainly premier league aging rejects and free transfers, he has brought youth on and has performed admirably with a shit show.
It is like saying we want you to cut this forest down but the chainsaw is broken, we have the money to fix it but we are not allowed to, here is an axe that’s all you can have oh and by the way the first 20 trees you cut down we are going to put them back up so you have to do them again.

[Coppells Lost Coat]

I am not sure what else you expect VP to do? Yes some of his tactics are a bit basic and very easy to defend against. He is more reactive than proactive. But he barely can field a cohesive, competitive team some weeks. We are basically waiting for players to come back from injury before we can kick start our season.
If there is a ready replacement then I can understand but the above list is managers that will say, lump it forward and get around Carroll (if he is still here) or Joao and fight for the second ball, we tried that towards the end of last season and a handful of games this season - look how that went.

Take Mitrovic, Wilson and Kebano + any other random 7 squad players and 6 points away from Fulham and I am not sure they would be much better than were we are now - that is the position we are in but with zero money to fix the issue.

[Mid Sussex Royal]

Regardless of the injuries, that is still a decent team he is putting out. Lets be honest, we were battered and the attacking instinct non-existent. Its the manor of defeat and style of play the problem and its not getting any better. Regardless of injuries, our form over the past 12 months is pretty shocking.

There are a number of managers out of work who could install some fight in the team, even for a short term....

Neil Warnock
Mick Mccarthy
Tony Pulis
Chris Hughton
Steve Bruce
Sam Allardyce
Alan Pardew

Might not like the choice but it has come to that. British managers with experience who can install a system to get us the 8 wins needed to stay up. Then review. Club is still an attraction with superb facilities. I believe the time has come.

With the exception of Hughton, who has just been correctly sacked for underachieving with a good injury free squad (proven since) the majority of this list are long ball dinosaurs who would get very little extra from our type of player.

[South Coast Royal]

You can play that game with West Brom though. They had a back three consisting of a CM (Livermore), and a LW (Reach), a very inexperienced 19 year old making his fourth appearance and a couple of players woefully out of form (Hugill, just the 1 goal so far this season). Furthermore, their bench consisted of 6 youngsters and Button (GK) whereas at least we had a couple of options to bring on

All in all, it was two badly weakened teams relying on players out of positions/players out of form/young inexperienced players. And yet they dominated us from start to finish

Yep don’t know how the poor lads coped with their 15m strikers, 7m goalkeepers, full Irish international regulars, experienced Prem players and expensive freebies in Reach and Mowatt

Anyway it’s nothing to do with WBA. I was taking issue calling our cobbled together bunch of cheap freebies, punts on semi retired players who didn’t have a preseason and academy lads who aren’t ready a decent team. Moore is the only one who wasn’t a free/loan in the first 11 wasn’t he?

Simple means of comparison given they were our opponents. There’s a fair amount of average Champ players in that squad and the fact they spent £15 million on the likes of Grant and Robinson is more a reflection on the club’s transfer policy rather than the players themselves

Not discrediting your point btw - it isn’t an ideal situation to be in. But like Sheffield, there and ways and means of approaching a game and that isn’t it, regardless of the hand you’re forced into. Having one highlight and it being a shot which went out for a throw in says enough

Just slightly on the side of Hound in the Hound v URRRZ debate on the strength of the two sides on Saturday
However with Hound quoting transfer fees of £15 million and £7 million for some of their players I thought it worth checking some of ours for the sake of balance:-
Moore £1.5 million
Rahman cost Chelsea £14 million
Dann cost Palace £6 million
Halilovic cost Barcelona £2 million
Dele-Bashiru was out of contract at City but Watford gave him a 6-year contract
Carroll cost Liverpool £34 million.

It was hardly a side made up of kids with no pedigree that also had Puscas (reputedly £8 million) as sub and one might have expected more than 0 shots on target.
Hopefully we will have a few more shots than that in the next 3 very important games otherwise Pauno might then be a goner.

[The Royal Forester]

If we sack Pauno (and I say we don't), it will cost us money. Not much, you may say as his contract is up at the end of the season. He alone may not cost much to terminate his contract, but won't the club also terminate the contracts of his appointees in the backroom? That could add up to quite a bit. Leave him in the job and look at the situation at the end of the season.

[Millsy]

TIL losing 1-0 away to a side 3rd in the league = must sack manager.

Seems legit.

[Snowflake Royal]

TIL losing 1-0 away to a side 3rd in the league = must sack manager.

Seems legit.

Exciting game for you was it?

[Hound]

Just to add, in no way am I thinking 4(0) shots is in any way acceptable. Not is conceding 25 shots on goal, regardless of the oppo

Was solely making the point that that lineup was a poor one and let’s not pretend otherwise. Unless we get people back quickly then we’ll undoubtedly struggle

[Millsy]

TIL losing 1-0 away to a side 3rd in the league = must sack manager.

Seems legit.

Exciting game for you was it?

Utterly shite that one.

[Dennis the Butler]

Paul Cook anyone, English and knows the game at our level