Pauno in or out poll mk2

[Coppells Lost Coat]

And every time there were knee jerks posts.

The first time maybe. The second time he got a bit of a bye because it was on the back of a good run of form. But the third time is unacceptable. That's not knee jerk, that's watching the same thing happen over and over again, and realising that this guy clearly doesn't have a clue what he's doing.

Ok.

I'd be really interested to know, genuinely, what the football experts would do here. If our beloved Southwood hadn't made yet another ballsup we'd have won likely 2-0 and few people would've moaned about a defensive 30mins. Fans are so good at hindsight vision.

First sub - Araruna. Forced, had no choice. Worked out fine.
Second sub - Azeez. Couldn't fault it at all. Hal tiring with his short legs, Azeez bright and energetic, almost scored - attacking move.
Third sub - Camara. Late but a reasonable response. Swift bloody awful. Camara almost instant impact quick break to Azeez who was unlucky not to score.

What would you do? Keep tired and slow Hal on? Keep the awful Swift on? Take Hoilett or Carroll off who were both brilliant, for toothless Puscas? Or even Clarke for that matter?

So then what,... bring Clarke on for... whom? Go 4-4-2 when you're winning the game?

I've sometimes felt like a lone voice beratign Pauno for not going 4-4-2 when chasing a game and he's now learned to do that. But when you're 1 or 2 goals up and you're 4-5-1, what do you do, go 4-4-2? Go 4-6-0? Other than swap shit tired or injured players what else can you do?

Genuine question, I'm failing to see what major tactical error cost us this game because if there was an obvious thing to do I don't see it and I normally point out what I think.

So it just boils down to, what... not telling the players to go gung-ho and try to get a third? So you tell your tired players who have been so effective all game at countering and scoring 2 goals against one of the best defences in the league (allegedly), who despite 70% possession didn't win... scrap that and suddenly go on the major offensive?

Can you imagine the uproar if going for the third we'd let in a goal or two then?

Yes of course perhaps a better manager can inspire and set up teams better to be more resilient when we have the lead, but I don't see that as a major crime, just something he can work on. It's not like he made one major blunder. it's the players on the pitch who have to take responsibility for not digging their heels in, the likes of Swift et al who didn't seem to give enough of a shit.

I think the subs were actually pretty good at the time. Nice positive moves, even though IMO Azeez wasn't that effective. But there was a bit of energy put on the pitch fro Hal.
My issue was tactically we could have been cleverer. They didn't really have much in the middle, and their tactic was to keep putting balls in. Yet we didn't do anything to ease that. Could have been a back 5 of Laurent Holmes and Dann. But it seemed like Carroll was filling instead leaving a gaping hole for.......their CB to get in the box. Hindsight is great, but we have seen time and time again, having no effect CF on the pitch just invites the pressure.

[tmesis]

So scoring 2 goals against one of the league's best defences = luck.

Opposition scoring from a major keeper ballsup and then sneaking a last minute equaliser = totally Pauno's (not the players') fault.

Ok bro.

When did I say we were lucky to score twice?

What I said was the Derby had done nothing to suggest completely conceding possession for an entire half was necessary. We could have just kept playing the same way. It's not as if playing with a back seven, or going gung-ho to get a third, were the only two options.

Yes, Southwood made a mistake, but the way we played, allowing them to attack us at will and just hope we got blocks in, meant we had to be perfect at the back for an entire half, and that really isn't us.

[Millsy]

So scoring 2 goals against one of the league's best defences = luck.

Opposition scoring from a major keeper ballsup and then sneaking a last minute equaliser = totally Pauno's (not the players') fault.

Ok bro.

When did I say we were lucky to score twice?

What I said was the Derby had done nothing to suggest completely conceding possession for an entire half was necessary. We could have just kept playing the same way. It's not as if playing with a back seven, or going gung-ho to get a third, were the only two options.

Yes, Southwood made a mistake, but the way we played, allowing them to attack us at will and just hope we got blocks in, meant we had to be perfect at the back for an entire half, and that really isn't us.

You said that "executing our gameplan" was then "riding your luck" suggesting to me that the gameplan which resulted in two goals may have been somewhat lucky.

I hear that not being so defensive would be good but it's a bit nebulous, which is my point. I see no clear plan other than "be a bit better".

[Millsy]

Ok so so far we have

1) Puscas for Swift

2) Have 3 across the back

3) Swap TDB/Laurent

4) Put more crosses in (except we're not a winger/crossing side and still manage to utilise Carroll well enough)

See where I'm going with this?

Wildly different suggestions, so no clear consensus of what the obvious error was.

The elephant in the room is the players themselves have to take responsibility for folding. For sitting outside the penalty box, for shit passes to the opposition, losing the ball, inviting pressure. I don't see an obvious glaring tactical error from Pauno we can all agree on.

Now this isn't necessarily a strong defence for Pauno because it is his job to make sure the players have a plan so as not to fall into this situation of camping outside their box, but players are human and it happens. As much a reflection on them as it is Pauno.

Where are the plaudits for two goals against one of the best defences in the league? Be fair in your criticisms guys, Derby are a better side, several places above us without deductions. That's my point. Would we call for a sacking if it was 0-0?

[Sanguine]

Reason to sack Pauno. We would be doing better with someone else in charge. In my opinion, we would not be doing better with someone else in charge (where that person is the calibre of manager that we could realistically attract). Ergo, Pauno should not be sacked. I said at the start of the season that I believed not being relegated, not least given a then impending points deduction, would be an achievement. For now, I think we'll have enough to stay up.

[Snowflake Royal]

Ok so so far we have

1) Puscas for Swift

2) Have 3 across the back

3) Swap TDB/Laurent

4) Put more crosses in (except we're not a winger/crossing side and still manage to utilise Carroll well enough)

See where I'm going with this?

Wildly different suggestions, so no clear consensus of what the obvious error was.

The elephant in the room is the players themselves have to take responsibility for folding. For sitting outside the penalty box, for shit passes to the opposition, losing the ball, inviting pressure. I don't see an obvious glaring tactical error from Pauno we can all agree on.

Now this isn't necessarily a strong defence for Pauno because it is his job to make sure the players have a plan so as not to fall into this situation of camping outside their box, but players are human and it happens. As much a reflection on them as it is Pauno.

Where are the plaudits for two goals against one of the best defences in the league? Be fair in your criticisms guys, Derby are a better side, several places above us without deductions. That's my point. Would we call for a sacking if it was 0-0?

More like many options.

Yes people would be calling for a sacking if it was 0-0. If you hadn’t noticed people have been calling for a sacking for months.

0-0 is much less bad than giving up a 2-0 lead with 84 minutes gone.

It's not hard Millsy. You're only defending it to be controversial.

[PATRIQT]

Out.

So many excuses, and he has a half decent team here. No consistency, and we were warned about his training and approach being too intense, and that can't be a coincidence with all our injury problems.

Get him out and get Colin in for the remainder of the season lol.

[andrew1957]

Just don't see the sense in sacking him. We "should" survive. We just have to match the first 23 game results in the second half to be safe on 50 points as I just don't see any of the bottom 3 getting that many. Then at the end of the season if the club wants to change so be it.

But I do on balance feel that Pauno has faced an unprecedented injury crisis and so it is hard to judge. My one main compliant as others have said is sitting back on leads which we then fail to protect. I think we would have 7-10 more points on the board if we had just carried on playing in those games.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Just don't see the sense in sacking him. We "should" survive. We just have to match the first 23 game results in the second half to be safe on 50 points as I just don't see any of the bottom 3 getting that many. Then at the end of the season if the club wants to change so be it.

But I do on balance feel that Pauno has faced an unprecedented injury crisis and so it is hard to judge. My one main compliant as others have said is sitting back on leads which we then fail to protect. I think we would have 7-10 more points on the board if we had just carried on playing in those games.

Agree we play best when we have control of the game, we keep the ball and we play on the front foot. Inviting pressure isn't something we should be doing as we aren't fantastic on the counter attack as we don't have that many fast players in our team really.

[URZZZZ]

Reason to sack Pauno. We would be doing better with someone else in charge. In my opinion, we would not be doing better with someone else in charge (where that person is the calibre of manager that we could realistically attract). Ergo, Pauno should not be sacked. I said at the start of the season that I believed not being relegated, not least given a then impending points deduction, would be an achievement. For now, I think we'll have enough to stay up.

Don’t agree that the target should be to just “avoid relegation” even with a 6 point deduction. With the likes of Dann, Drinkwater, Swift, Ejaria, Carroll etc, the squad should be far too talented to competing with the likes of Barnsley, Hull and Peterborough

A better manager would get more from these players (yep, even with injuries)

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Reason to sack Pauno. We would be doing better with someone else in charge. In my opinion, we would not be doing better with someone else in charge (where that person is the calibre of manager that we could realistically attract). Ergo, Pauno should not be sacked. I said at the start of the season that I believed not being relegated, not least given a then impending points deduction, would be an achievement. For now, I think we'll have enough to stay up.

Don’t agree that the target should be to just “avoid relegation” even with a 6 point deduction. With the likes of Dann, Drinkwater, Swift, Ejaria, Carroll etc, the squad should be far too talented to competing with the likes of Barnsley, Hull and Peterborough

A better manager would get more from these players (yep, even with injuries)

Not for me personally. That's not to say somebody couldn't come in and do better in the immediate future, but with the inconsistency of selection like it has been, even when you can get one or two of those players fit to start, say, 3 games in a row, at least one or two others get injured in the process. Has there ever been a time this season where we have actually fielded the same XI as the previous game? And was this XI actually what we would consider a "strong" side given the players we have?

[Sanguine]

Reason to sack Pauno. We would be doing better with someone else in charge. In my opinion, we would not be doing better with someone else in charge (where that person is the calibre of manager that we could realistically attract). Ergo, Pauno should not be sacked. I said at the start of the season that I believed not being relegated, not least given a then impending points deduction, would be an achievement. For now, I think we'll have enough to stay up.

Don’t agree that the target should be to just “avoid relegation” even with a 6 point deduction. With the likes of Dann, Drinkwater, Swift, Ejaria, Carroll etc, the squad should be far too talented to competing with the likes of Barnsley, Hull and Peterborough

A better manager would get more from these players (yep, even with injuries)

Not for me personally. That's not to say somebody couldn't come in and do better in the immediate future, but with the inconsistency of selection like it has been, even when you can get one or two of those players fit to start, say, 3 games in a row, at least one or two others get injured in the process. Has there ever been a time this season where we have actually fielded the same XI as the previous game? And was this XI actually what we would consider a "strong" side given the players we have?

Agree with that in principle, although I'm not even convinced a new manager could do better in the short term, just because we have some (not anywhere near their best, questionably fit) 'name' loan players in the squad. I mean, for me that sums it up - 60% of the players named above are 54 year old Scott Dann, a fat version of Danny Drinkwater, and an Andy Carroll who (fair play to him, he is working hard on the pitch) just doesn't suit our style at all.

Any fan that looks at our frankly ridiculous injury situation, the points deduction, and non-existent transfer finances and thinks we should be higher up the table needs a dose of reality imho.

[Snowflake Royal]

I can't say Dann has particularly impressed me at the basics of defending. He just seems ... rather average. Followed by occasionally sublime moments of composure on the ball to get out of a tricky situation.

Personally I'd play Holmes, McIntyre and last season's Morrison ahead of him if all were fit and available.

[Coppells Lost Coat]

Any fan that looks at our frankly ridiculous injury situation, the points deduction, and non-existent transfer finances and thinks we should be higher up the table needs a dose of reality imho.

I would say we probably should be in 19th position and not 21st.

[Royal Rother]

Reason to sack Pauno. We would be doing better with someone else in charge. In my opinion, we would not be doing better with someone else in charge (where that person is the calibre of manager that we could realistically attract). Ergo, Pauno should not be sacked. I said at the start of the season that I believed not being relegated, not least given a then impending points deduction, would be an achievement. For now, I think we'll have enough to stay up.

Don’t agree that the target should be to just “avoid relegation” even with a 6 point deduction. With the likes of Dann, Drinkwater, Swift, Ejaria, Carroll etc, the squad should be far too talented to competing with the likes of Barnsley, Hull and Peterborough

A better manager would get more from these players (yep, even with injuries)

100% agreed.

[Millsy]

Ok so so far we have

1) Puscas for Swift

2) Have 3 across the back

3) Swap TDB/Laurent

4) Put more crosses in (except we're not a winger/crossing side and still manage to utilise Carroll well enough)

See where I'm going with this?

Wildly different suggestions, so no clear consensus of what the obvious error was.

The elephant in the room is the players themselves have to take responsibility for folding. For sitting outside the penalty box, for shit passes to the opposition, losing the ball, inviting pressure. I don't see an obvious glaring tactical error from Pauno we can all agree on.

Now this isn't necessarily a strong defence for Pauno because it is his job to make sure the players have a plan so as not to fall into this situation of camping outside their box, but players are human and it happens. As much a reflection on them as it is Pauno.

Where are the plaudits for two goals against one of the best defences in the league? Be fair in your criticisms guys, Derby are a better side, several places above us without deductions. That's my point. Would we call for a sacking if it was 0-0?

More like many options.

Yes people would be calling for a sacking if it was 0-0. If you hadn’t noticed people have been calling for a sacking for months.

0-0 is much less bad than giving up a 2-0 lead with 84 minutes gone.

It's not hard Millsy. You're only defending it to be controversial.

You're right it's not hard - there is MORE bedwetting now because of those 5mins of play. How does giving up a 2-0 lead mean a man has to lose his job? 0-0 would have been different. Don't let two in, but totally toothless at home. I'll tell you exactly what it is - people are just knee-jerking because they're butthurt at losing a 2-0 lead and their feelings felt hurt in those 5mins. Boohoo.

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And here you go again Ian being a bit of a tit, trying to get all psychoanalytical as to why I say what I say. Stop it, it's fvcking pathetic. Make logical counter-points if you can, don't hide behind character analysis just because you can't.

I never call you out for being a sheep, or worse for your cowardly play-it-safe stance of "in but only because he'll be gone anyway". Don't fear HNA. Like you don't with Ejaria/Moore - oh but hang on are you just wanting to be controversial? Easy with small things innit eh? I don't because I trust you actually believe those things, that's fine.

Truth is I just don't know, but will boldly call out his shit fitness excuse when I hear it, and fans' bedwetting when I see it. Give me a run of humiliating defeats though and I'll be leading the revolt like I was last season when everyone seemed to be jizzing over the honeymoon games.

Task - keep us up in ridiculously difficult circumstances. Progress - without a deduction 9 points off relegation/12 off playoffs. Even with deduction still 3pts off relegation but with roughly midtable form this season. So sack him for what exactly? For not being 7th again? I also think he actually has a lot FOR him and he may a rough diamond. Like when I argued for Brenda stay - look at him now.

But no... perhaps I'm just getting kicks out of being controversial because I really enjoy wasting my time debating with bedwetters.

[URZZZZ]

Ok so so far we have

1) Puscas for Swift

2) Have 3 across the back

3) Swap TDB/Laurent

4) Put more crosses in (except we're not a winger/crossing side and still manage to utilise Carroll well enough)

See where I'm going with this?

Wildly different suggestions, so no clear consensus of what the obvious error was.

The elephant in the room is the players themselves have to take responsibility for folding. For sitting outside the penalty box, for shit passes to the opposition, losing the ball, inviting pressure. I don't see an obvious glaring tactical error from Pauno we can all agree on.

Now this isn't necessarily a strong defence for Pauno because it is his job to make sure the players have a plan so as not to fall into this situation of camping outside their box, but players are human and it happens. As much a reflection on them as it is Pauno.

Where are the plaudits for two goals against one of the best defences in the league? Be fair in your criticisms guys, Derby are a better side, several places above us without deductions. That's my point. Would we call for a sacking if it was 0-0?

More like many options.

Yes people would be calling for a sacking if it was 0-0. If you hadn’t noticed people have been calling for a sacking for months.

0-0 is much less bad than giving up a 2-0 lead with 84 minutes gone.

It's not hard Millsy. You're only defending it to be controversial.

You're right it's not hard - there is MORE bedwetting now because of those 5mins of play. How does giving up a 2-0 lead mean a man has to lose his job? 0-0 would have been different. Don't let two in, but totally toothless at home. I'll tell you exactly what it is - people are just knee-jerking because they're butthurt at losing a 2-0 lead and their feelings felt hurt in those 5mins. Boohoo.

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And here you go again Ian being a bit of a tit, trying to get all psychoanalytical as to why I say what I say. Stop it, it's fvcking pathetic. Make logical counter-points if you can, don't hide behind character analysis just because you can't.

I never call you out for being a sheep, or worse for your cowardly play-it-safe stance of "in but only because he'll be gone anyway". Don't fear HNA. Like you don't with Ejaria/Moore - oh but hang on are you just wanting to be controversial? Easy with small things innit eh? I don't because I trust you actually believe those things, that's fine.

Truth is I just don't know, but will boldly call out his shit fitness excuse when I hear it, and fans' bedwetting when I see it. Give me a run of humiliating defeats though and I'll be leading the revolt like I was last season when everyone seemed to be jizzing over the honeymoon games.

Task - keep us up in ridiculously difficult circumstances. Progress - without a deduction 9 points off relegation/12 off playoffs. Even with deduction still 3pts off relegation but with roughly midtable form this season. So sack him for what exactly? For not being 7th again? I also think he actually has a lot FOR him and he may a rough diamond. Like when I argued for Brenda stay - look at him now.

But no... perhaps I'm just getting kicks out of being controversial because I really enjoy wasting my time debating with bedwetters.

Didn’t you use to celebrate when we conceded/lost games under Stam? In which case, I wouldn’t suggest accusing others of knee jerking and bed wetting is entirely logical

Crux of the matter is management don’t learn from mistakes. Persisting with Puscas for three months when he was offering nothing. Not making any substitutions when we were playing so poorly. And now the latest one of dropping so deep whenever we take the lead and as a result, dropping so many points from winning positions

Little value in keeping a manager when they do the same thing game after game to little avail. 2 wins in 11 is terrible

[leon]

Ok so so far we have

1) Puscas for Swift

2) Have 3 across the back

3) Swap TDB/Laurent

4) Put more crosses in (except we're not a winger/crossing side and still manage to utilise Carroll well enough)

See where I'm going with this?

Wildly different suggestions, so no clear consensus of what the obvious error was.

The elephant in the room is the players themselves have to take responsibility for folding. For sitting outside the penalty box, for shit passes to the opposition, losing the ball, inviting pressure. I don't see an obvious glaring tactical error from Pauno we can all agree on.

Now this isn't necessarily a strong defence for Pauno because it is his job to make sure the players have a plan so as not to fall into this situation of camping outside their box, but players are human and it happens. As much a reflection on them as it is Pauno.

Where are the plaudits for two goals against one of the best defences in the league? Be fair in your criticisms guys, Derby are a better side, several places above us without deductions. That's my point. Would we call for a sacking if it was 0-0?

More like many options.

Yes people would be calling for a sacking if it was 0-0. If you hadn’t noticed people have been calling for a sacking for months.

0-0 is much less bad than giving up a 2-0 lead with 84 minutes gone.

It's not hard Millsy. You're only defending it to be controversial.

You're right it's not hard - there is MORE bedwetting now because of those 5mins of play. How does giving up a 2-0 lead mean a man has to lose his job? 0-0 would have been different. Don't let two in, but totally toothless at home. I'll tell you exactly what it is - people are just knee-jerking because they're butthurt at losing a 2-0 lead and their feelings felt hurt in those 5mins. Boohoo.

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And here you go again Ian being a bit of a tit, trying to get all psychoanalytical as to why I say what I say. Stop it, it's fvcking pathetic. Make logical counter-points if you can, don't hide behind character analysis just because you can't.

I never call you out for being a sheep, or worse for your cowardly play-it-safe stance of "in but only because he'll be gone anyway". Don't fear HNA. Like you don't with Ejaria/Moore - oh but hang on are you just wanting to be controversial? Easy with small things innit eh? I don't because I trust you actually believe those things, that's fine.

Truth is I just don't know, but will boldly call out his shit fitness excuse when I hear it, and fans' bedwetting when I see it. Give me a run of humiliating defeats though and I'll be leading the revolt like I was last season when everyone seemed to be jizzing over the honeymoon games.

Task - keep us up in ridiculously difficult circumstances. Progress - without a deduction 9 points off relegation/12 off playoffs. Even with deduction still 3pts off relegation but with roughly midtable form this season. So sack him for what exactly? For not being 7th again? I also think he actually has a lot FOR him and he may a rough diamond. Like when I argued for Brenda stay - look at him now.

But no... perhaps I'm just getting kicks out of being controversial because I really enjoy wasting my time debating with bedwetters.

[Millsy]

More like many options.

Yes people would be calling for a sacking if it was 0-0. If you hadn’t noticed people have been calling for a sacking for months.

0-0 is much less bad than giving up a 2-0 lead with 84 minutes gone.

It's not hard Millsy. You're only defending it to be controversial.

You're right it's not hard - there is MORE bedwetting now because of those 5mins of play. How does giving up a 2-0 lead mean a man has to lose his job? 0-0 would have been different. Don't let two in, but totally toothless at home. I'll tell you exactly what it is - people are just knee-jerking because they're butthurt at losing a 2-0 lead and their feelings felt hurt in those 5mins. Boohoo.

---

And here you go again Ian being a bit of a tit, trying to get all psychoanalytical as to why I say what I say. Stop it, it's fvcking pathetic. Make logical counter-points if you can, don't hide behind character analysis just because you can't.

I never call you out for being a sheep, or worse for your cowardly play-it-safe stance of "in but only because he'll be gone anyway". Don't fear HNA. Like you don't with Ejaria/Moore - oh but hang on are you just wanting to be controversial? Easy with small things innit eh? I don't because I trust you actually believe those things, that's fine.

Truth is I just don't know, but will boldly call out his shit fitness excuse when I hear it, and fans' bedwetting when I see it. Give me a run of humiliating defeats though and I'll be leading the revolt like I was last season when everyone seemed to be jizzing over the honeymoon games.

Task - keep us up in ridiculously difficult circumstances. Progress - without a deduction 9 points off relegation/12 off playoffs. Even with deduction still 3pts off relegation but with roughly midtable form this season. So sack him for what exactly? For not being 7th again? I also think he actually has a lot FOR him and he may a rough diamond. Like when I argued for Brenda stay - look at him now.

But no... perhaps I'm just getting kicks out of being controversial because I really enjoy wasting my time debating with bedwetters.

Didn’t you use to celebrate when we conceded/lost games under Stam? In which case, I wouldn’t suggest accusing others of knee jerking and bed wetting is entirely logical

Crux of the matter is management don’t learn from mistakes. Persisting with Puscas for three months when he was offering nothing. Not making any substitutions when we were playing so poorly. And now the latest one of dropping so deep whenever we take the lead and as a result, dropping so many points from winning positions

Little value in keeping a manager when they do the same thing game after game to little avail. 2 wins in 11 is terrible

Once I've decided a manager is not for us, I absolutely want to see games lost if it will catalyse their removal and will gladly do so again for Pauno when I genuinely feel he is useless. That's not bedwetting that's boldly sticking to my opinion through thick or thin.

I've no issue with the likes of CountryRoyal who was I think one of the only other vocal HNAers last season who stood beside me berating Pauno. Ridiculous capitulation last season, which only us two (+/- a handful of others I'm sure but I don't remember) were arguing was unforgivable. Where was everyone else then? Still jizzing over the honeymoon games that's where.

What I call bedwetting is those same Paunophiles who were arguing with me last season.... now, despite enormously difficult circumstances for the guy on almost every front, feeling hurt that he is only achieving lower midtable form despite all the mitigations. What do you expect? You wanted him to stay. You were fully aware of the embargo, loss of key players, then ridiculous injuries, then points deduction. Despite that he's doing what is expected, no worse but people are suddenly starting to cry and moan. THAT is pathetic bedwetting.

I totally agree with all your points btw... but I was arguing them last season. Nothing has changed now, other than beds are wet because we're generally unhappy with life. Boohoo points deduction... boohoo injuries... boohoo embargo. None of that is Pauno's fault. He's the same good or shit manager he was last season. But oh no let's turn on him. Screw that... he's actually doing admirably well given the circumstances even if he does have some flaws.

[Hound]

Ok so so far we have

1) Puscas for Swift

2) Have 3 across the back

3) Swap TDB/Laurent

4) Put more crosses in (except we're not a winger/crossing side and still manage to utilise Carroll well enough)

See where I'm going with this?

Wildly different suggestions, so no clear consensus of what the obvious error was.
?

tbf, much as we like to think we know everything as fans about how to fix things we don't. Hence different opinions etc. thats why the managers and coaches are paid the big bucks to work this out, not some chump sat up in the stands whose sole knowledge of football is playing weekly 5 aside and watching Reading on the weekend (if you're lucky).

I think a lot of the point is we CAN see things aren't working at times, and very little gets done, bar minor tweaks to change it. I don't know what 'plan b's' etc they work on in training, but it does seem time and again we just don't react to a team getting on top of us possession wise. Our reaction seems to just drop deeper and deeper. And we did seem to come out with a mentality to hold on to what we had a 1-0, let alone 2-0