Pauno out

[windermereROYAL]

They are waiting for social media to implode on it`s self before making an announcement, it was a good feeling while it lasted that`s for sure.

[URZZZZ]

Agree with this but I also think there is an element of the attitude of some players. I wouldn't describe any of them as not bothered or even lazy, but more luxury players, like Joao, Swift and in some cases Ejaria etc. We've run through 3/4 different managers now and we've seen basically the same end product with all of them, maybe bar Bowen.
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How are they luxury players when they are also our top scorers?

Take out Swifts goals this year and Joao's last, and we've had been lower mid last year/already relegated this

We need to find a system that isn’t so heavily reliant on one player. Bowen found the perfect formula with the 4-1-4-1 but was so heavily reliant on Joao that it crumbled when he got injured. The game plan this season is to pass to Swift and hope but he isn’t remotely consistent enough

Team has been far too reliant on individual moments of quality for too long. Advocated moving Swift on in the summer for that reason and still stand by it. Two recent promotion teams had a set XI but also backups that could fit in seamlessly. We have none of those currently

Luxury to describe them may be the wrong word but they both have history of losing the ball and then standing and watching. Not an ideal base to build a team around

[From Despair To Where?]

What's cringeworthy is the apathy tbh. 8 straight defeats and we can't understand why people might invade the pitch for the manager to go!?

Charlton fans put up with six months of total ownership limbo before a peaceful protest that blocked the club's boardroom, and that follows years of bullshit from Roland Duchatelet during which time they've barely survived as a club. Other examples of club supporters' groups leading peaceful pre-game protests against ownerships and trying to force change.

And we're running on the pitch because we've lost a few games.

Classless and pathetic.

And look at them... ex top flight side now lower pretty much than they've ever been. They deserve it.

We won't copy them.

Eh? Apart from the 50s and a spell at the beginning of this century, they've pretty much been a 2nd/3rd tier team.

[Snowflake Royal]

Ridiculous claim

Mr Champions Medal poncing about giving the ball away cheaply and never marking anyone?

Yeah. He cgaf and isn’t even remotely applying himself.

Perhaps you’re right. Pulled you up singling him out as the only one. Bristol was pathetic aside from the last 15 minutes with the players looking as lethargic and disinterested as ever. He didn’t feature until that last 15 minutes

The entire team gave up against Fulham. Drinkwater was taken off at 3-0. Impact far extends beyond one player

Ahhh, I see. I think losing hope and bot having the strength to keep going is different to not trying.

I think they all care and start out giving it a good go effort wise. But yeah they can give up towards the end. But I think that's just a human reaction to doing so badly.

[andrew1957]

If it is true that Kia is the one who will make the decision re the new manager then there is probably no point sacking Pauno - as all that will happen is that we will get yet another foreign manager that no one has heard of to replace Pauno - who no one had heard of before he was appointed.

[Millsy]

Charlton fans put up with six months of total ownership limbo before a peaceful protest that blocked the club's boardroom, and that follows years of bullshit from Roland Duchatelet during which time they've barely survived as a club. Other examples of club supporters' groups leading peaceful pre-game protests against ownerships and trying to force change.

And we're running on the pitch because we've lost a few games.

Classless and pathetic.

And look at them... ex top flight side now lower pretty much than they've ever been. They deserve it.

We won't copy them.

Eh? Apart from the 50s and a spell at the beginning of this century, they've been the very definition of a 2nd/3rd tier team.

Since mid 80s they've been where we realistically expect/hope to be - yoyoing top flight/champ side. It's only the last 10-13 years or so they have plummeted. Certainly not a club I'd want to emulate and not surprising if their fans are apathetic and resign themselves to a poor history (or rather occasional blips to tier 3) before most of them were even born. Definitely not a great example to bring up to demonstrate the merits of apathy!

[Snowflake Royal]

If it is true that Kia is the one who will make the decision re the new manager then there is probably no point sacking Pauno - as all that will happen is that we will get yet another foreign manager that no one has heard of to replace Pauno - who no one had heard of before he was appointed.

The reason I went from In to Out was precisely because things had got so bad it simply doesn’t matter who the replacement is, it just has to be a new voice.

So I really don't think it matters short term.

[CountryRoyal]

If it is true that Kia is the one who will make the decision re the new manager then there is probably no point sacking Pauno - as all that will happen is that we will get yet another foreign manager that no one has heard of to replace Pauno - who no one had heard of before he was appointed.

The reason I went from In to Out was precisely because things had got so bad it simply doesn’t matter who the replacement is, it just has to be a new voice.

So I really don't think it matters short term.

Yeah exactly. It’s a case of someone might be as bad but they might be better, but might as well change as they couldn’t be worse. (Famous last words).

I’ve maintained this squad is far too good to go down (also famous last words) but we’ve seen we have the quality, they could play better without a manger imho so hopefully a new influence, a positive bounce should see us safe.

Next season’s problems can wait until next season. Certainly if Kia is picking then unless we fluke it I can see us being in a similar position or even worse next year. Still, must avoid relegation at the moment that has to be the only priority.

[Snowflake Royal]

If it is true that Kia is the one who will make the decision re the new manager then there is probably no point sacking Pauno - as all that will happen is that we will get yet another foreign manager that no one has heard of to replace Pauno - who no one had heard of before he was appointed.

The reason I went from In to Out was precisely because things had got so bad it simply doesn’t matter who the replacement is, it just has to be a new voice.

So I really don't think it matters short term.

Yeah exactly. It’s a case of someone might be as bad but they might be better, but might as well change as they couldn’t be worse. (Famous last words).

I’ve maintained this squad is far too good to go down (also famous last words) but we’ve seen we have the quality, they could play better without a manger imho so hopefully a new influence, a positive bounce should see us safe.

Next season’s problems can wait until next season. Certainly if Kia is picking then unless we fluke it I can see us being in a similar position or even worse next year. Still, must avoid relegation at the moment that has to be the only priority.

Worse than 0ppg doesn't matter.

You're going down conceding 3 a game or 12.

[Stranded]

If it is true that Kia is the one who will make the decision re the new manager then there is probably no point sacking Pauno - as all that will happen is that we will get yet another foreign manager that no one has heard of to replace Pauno - who no one had heard of before he was appointed.

The reason I went from In to Out was precisely because things had got so bad it simply doesn’t matter who the replacement is, it just has to be a new voice.

So I really don't think it matters short term.

If the appointment is short term - agree - but no sign of Kia going anywhere yet, so he'll likely have an influence directly or indirectly on the next permanent manager too.

[CountryRoyal]

The reason I went from In to Out was precisely because things had got so bad it simply doesn’t matter who the replacement is, it just has to be a new voice.

So I really don't think it matters short term.

Yeah exactly. It’s a case of someone might be as bad but they might be better, but might as well change as they couldn’t be worse. (Famous last words).

I’ve maintained this squad is far too good to go down (also famous last words) but we’ve seen we have the quality, they could play better without a manger imho so hopefully a new influence, a positive bounce should see us safe.

Next season’s problems can wait until next season. Certainly if Kia is picking then unless we fluke it I can see us being in a similar position or even worse next year. Still, must avoid relegation at the moment that has to be the only priority.

Worse than 0ppg doesn't matter.

You're going down conceding 3 a game or 12.

On footballing terms, yes but conceding 12 a game might be a different level of embarrassing. Though I suppose the ironic entertainment factor may increase?

[Snowflake Royal]

If / when he goes, we'll find whether his last 8 games have caused irreparable damage or not.

I think recent games suggest not. There's no confidence and we concede a lot, but we're creating chances. Joao has scored a couple, Meite looks good.

New voice, better organisation a spawny result and it could easily all flood back.

[Snowflake Royal]

Yeah exactly. It’s a case of someone might be as bad but they might be better, but might as well change as they couldn’t be worse. (Famous last words).

I’ve maintained this squad is far too good to go down (also famous last words) but we’ve seen we have the quality, they could play better without a manger imho so hopefully a new influence, a positive bounce should see us safe.

Next season’s problems can wait until next season. Certainly if Kia is picking then unless we fluke it I can see us being in a similar position or even worse next year. Still, must avoid relegation at the moment that has to be the only priority.

Worse than 0ppg doesn't matter.

You're going down conceding 3 a game or 12.

On footballing terms, yes but conceding 12 a game might be a different level of embarrassing. Though I suppose the ironic entertainment factor may increase?

I find the big defeats much easier to laugh off. If you're going to lose every game you might as well give the world a laugh.

[CountryRoyal]

If / when he goes, we'll find whether his last 8 games have caused irreparable damage or not.

I think recent games suggest not. There's no confidence and we concede a lot, but we're creating chances. Joao has scored a couple, Meite looks good.

New voice, better organisation a spawny result and it could easily all flood back.

I think we still should be ok, plenty of players wanting to put themselves in the shop window to get the best moves they can as well. Can see us finishing top half without Pauno tbh.

[PATRIQT]

Can see us finishing top half without Pauno tbh.

[Stranded]

Gone lunchtime and still no announcement.

Know the club love to announce late in the day but given the strength of rumour regarding his departure, am surprised there still is no noise. Means they are either trying to sort out financials with him/ tying down the replacement structure / not happening today or ever*

*delete as appropriate.

[Snowflake Royal]

Gone lunchtime and still no announcement.

Know the club love to announce late in the day but given the strength of rumour regarding his departure, am surprised there still is no noise. Means they are either trying to sort out financials with him/ tying down the replacement structure / not happening today or ever*

*delete as appropriate.

They have a history of forgetting to move on the old guy before finding a new guy.

[Hound]

Agree with this but I also think there is an element of the attitude of some players. I wouldn't describe any of them as not bothered or even lazy, but more luxury players, like Joao, Swift and in some cases Ejaria etc. We've run through 3/4 different managers now and we've seen basically the same end product with all of them, maybe bar Bowen.
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How are they luxury players when they are also our top scorers?

Take out Swifts goals this year and Joao's last, and we've had been lower mid last year/already relegated this

Luxury players are typically described as "gifted footballers" that don't tend to work as hard defensively. Obviously, most of them are seen at top clubs, but Swift and Joao are our type of luxury players in our squad at the moment.

hmm maybe thats your definition I'd describe it as a player who wasn't a necessity in the team, maybe adds entertainment and the odd great goal or bit of play. Not someone who the team is relying on to score goals

[Hound]

If / when he goes, we'll find whether his last 8 games have caused irreparable damage or not.

I think recent games suggest not. There's no confidence and we concede a lot, but we're creating chances. Joao has scored a couple, Meite looks good.

New voice, better organisation a spawny result and it could easily all flood back.

don't think its caused irreparable damage to the ability of the team to play, but there's still a hell of struggle to stay up caused by that ridiculous run of defeats. Basically need to do better than Derby and co for the rest of the season, very much 3 from 4. A lot of pressure there to get results with some tough games to play. Even 3 or 4 points in that period would have made us a lot more comfortable

[blythspartan]

Please tell me that Vladan Milojevic is a wind up?