Next Reading Manager

[Snowflake Royal]

Why, if you don't doubt we'd have high quality candidates interested, has every appointment we've made since Adkins been low experience and in most cases poor quality?

It doesn't really matter if we have high quality candidates interested, because we certainly never appoint them, if they are interested.

Clarke - low experience, dodgy record
McDermott - returning short term manager
Stam - low experience, inflexible dreadful manager
Clement - low experience poor record
Gomes - terrible
Bowen - low experience internal appointment
Paunovic - low experience dreadful manager
Ince - interim, hadn't managed for 8 years.

I don't think we're attractive compared to half the teams in the division, and I certainly don't think there's any signs we've learnt our lessons for when the FL stop forcing ourselves to behave.

I like how you've referenced the two managers that have earned us our highest league positions since being back in the Championship (Pauno joint with Adkins but going based on the list of the managers above) as "dreadful".

Almost as crazy as referring to guys with huge footballing experience as ‘low experience’.

Coaching =/= management experience. Hth.

[NathStPaul]

Ince is starting to let slip little bits and pieces, clearly he knows he's here next season. Not convinced he's the right man by any means but hard to argue he's made us much fitter and determined.

[tmesis]

Given that we aren't going to have any obvious high quality candidates begging for the job, what is it about Ince that puts people off him being offered it?

I think we are all aware that a good run as caretaker boss doesn't mean it'll necessarily carry on the same way if given the job full time, but I think it puts him ahead of a total unknown quantity, or a journeyman stopgap type manager.

The only thing putting me off is that interim managers turned permanent managers do not usually turn out to be too successful, with examples like McDermott with ourselves and even Pardew being more exceptions rather than the norm.

In reality most managerial appointments probably turn out to be not too successful. I'd say they work less often than they fail.

[paultheroyal]

Ince has passed his job interview

[windermereROYAL]

Seemed quite downbeat about taking the job on for next season in his interview with Tim, but maybe just the way he is.

[Nameless]

I like how you've referenced the two managers that have earned us our highest league positions since being back in the Championship (Pauno joint with Adkins but going based on the list of the managers above) as "dreadful".

Almost as crazy as referring to guys with huge footballing experience as ‘low experience’.

Coaching =/= management experience. Hth.

Not really, it’s pretty meaningless. Bowen and Clarke had vast experience as assistant managers (assistant manger =/= coach. HTH). Stam had managed within a top European club. Clement had managed several clubs. In contract Pardew, McGhee and McDermott had no managerial experience at all, or at anything close to this level.

As mentioned earlier, just skewing things to suit your preconceived points of view really doesn’t support your case.
Given the point I made was that there would be plenty of decent people interested in a vacancy at Reading not only are you skewing the facts you are also arguing about the wrong thing !
I’m sure yiu’ll Still have an opinion though, even if it’s about the wrong thing and supported by misleading ‘facts’

[Hound]

Getting to the point - yes dependent on if we stay up - where it’d be a bit weird if ince wasn’t offered the job imo

We are so much better. And good to watch again.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Given that we aren't going to have any obvious high quality candidates begging for the job, what is it about Ince that puts people off him being offered it?

I think we are all aware that a good run as caretaker boss doesn't mean it'll necessarily carry on the same way if given the job full time, but I think it puts him ahead of a total unknown quantity, or a journeyman stopgap type manager.

The only thing putting me off is that interim managers turned permanent managers do not usually turn out to be too successful, with examples like McDermott with ourselves and even Pardew being more exceptions rather than the norm.

In reality most managerial appointments probably turn out to be not too successful. I'd say they work less often than they fail.

True, context depending of course. Even still, I'm not too keen on going for something that has proven plenty of times to "not work", but I also can't deny that he's done a good job at putting his name right in the hat for the job. I'm not against it based on managerial performance thus far.

[Nameless]

Getting to the point - yes dependent on if we stay up - where it’d be a bit weird if ince wasn’t offered the job imo

We are so much better. And good to watch again.

You would think that all parties already know what is going to happen. Hopefully Ince has let the club know if he would take the job and by now you would hope the club have told him if it is his. There is work to do on renewing contracts and building for next season and someone should already be on it.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Getting to the point - yes dependent on if we stay up - where it’d be a bit weird if ince wasn’t offered the job imo

We are so much better. And good to watch again.

You would think that all parties already know what is going to happen. Hopefully Ince has let the club know if he would take the job and by now you would hope the club have told him if it is his. There is work to do on renewing contracts and building for next season and someone should already be on it.

I think it would have been pretty silly if the club didn't have the scenario of staying up/going down when Ince was being interviewed for the interim role as well as looking to enter preliminary talks to offer players new deals, depending on the league we were in, especially gauging interest of who would stay should we survive.

[AthleticoSpizz]

Ince has passed his job interview

just Ian to get through now

[Mid Sussex Royal]

Getting to the point - yes dependent on if we stay up - where it’d be a bit weird if ince wasn’t offered the job imo

We are so much better. And good to watch again.

You would think that all parties already know what is going to happen. Hopefully Ince has let the club know if he would take the job and by now you would hope the club have told him if it is his. There is work to do on renewing contracts and building for next season and someone should already be on it.

I think it would have been pretty silly if the club didn't have the scenario of staying up/going down when Ince was being interviewed for the interim role as well as looking to enter preliminary talks to offer players new deals, depending on the league we were in, especially gauging interest of who would stay should we survive.

Maybe its to do with Kia's influence over signings....

[Hound]

Getting to the point - yes dependent on if we stay up - where it’d be a bit weird if ince wasn’t offered the job imo

We are so much better. And good to watch again.

You would think that all parties already know what is going to happen. Hopefully Ince has let the club know if he would take the job and by now you would hope the club have told him if it is his. There is work to do on renewing contracts and building for next season and someone should already be on it.

I think it would have been pretty silly if the club didn't have the scenario of staying up/going down when Ince was being interviewed for the interim role as well as looking to enter preliminary talks to offer players new deals, depending on the league we were in, especially gauging interest of who would stay should we survive.

Yeah this is Readings owners we are talking about. Long term strategy isn’t their strong point

[Nameless]

You would think that all parties already know what is going to happen. Hopefully Ince has let the club know if he would take the job and by now you would hope the club have told him if it is his. There is work to do on renewing contracts and building for next season and someone should already be on it.

I think it would have been pretty silly if the club didn't have the scenario of staying up/going down when Ince was being interviewed for the interim role as well as looking to enter preliminary talks to offer players new deals, depending on the league we were in, especially gauging interest of who would stay should we survive.

Yeah this is Readings owners we are talking about. Long term strategy hasn’t been their strong point

Tweaked for you....

[Snowflake Royal]

Nameless, I sometimes wonder if you'd defend the club if a representative came round your house and shit in your sink.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

You would think that all parties already know what is going to happen. Hopefully Ince has let the club know if he would take the job and by now you would hope the club have told him if it is his. There is work to do on renewing contracts and building for next season and someone should already be on it.

I think it would have been pretty silly if the club didn't have the scenario of staying up/going down when Ince was being interviewed for the interim role as well as looking to enter preliminary talks to offer players new deals, depending on the league we were in, especially gauging interest of who would stay should we survive.

Yeah this is Readings owners we are talking about. Long term strategy isn’t their strong point

Yeah but still they are billionaire business people, you don't get to that level of wealth by being incompetent in basic negotiations of your assets.

[Nameless]

Nameless, I sometimes wonder if you'd defend the club if a representative came round your house and shit in your sink.

When you delight in twisting everything into a negative, someone has to add a dash of reality.
I enjoy my football and following the club, have you ever thought of a different way to feed your masochistic tendencies
?

[Snowflake Royal]

Nameless, I sometimes wonder if you'd defend the club if a representative came round your house and shit in your sink.

When you delight in twisting everything into a negative, someone has to add a dash of reality.
I enjoy my football and following the club, have you ever thought of a different way to feed your masochistic tendencies
?

I'm Mr Positivity when things are run well. You're defending the guy who keeps appointing shit managers, destroying the financial stability of the club, getting us points deductions, the shit managers he keeps hiring.

And I'm optimistic Yongge will oxf*rd off and we can get back to that some day in the not too distant future.

[Snowflake Royal]

I think it would have been pretty silly if the club didn't have the scenario of staying up/going down when Ince was being interviewed for the interim role as well as looking to enter preliminary talks to offer players new deals, depending on the league we were in, especially gauging interest of who would stay should we survive.

Yeah this is Readings owners we are talking about. Long term strategy isn’t their strong point

Yeah but still they are billionaire business people, you don't get to that level of wealth by being incompetent in basic negotiations of your assets.

That's quite a naive view. Especially when the guy made his money in dodgy dealings in China.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Yeah this is Readings owners we are talking about. Long term strategy isn’t their strong point

Yeah but still they are billionaire business people, you don't get to that level of wealth by being incompetent in basic negotiations of your assets.

That's quite a naive view. Especially when the guy made his money in dodgy dealings in China.

And your evidence of this is?