Next Reading Manager

[South Coast Royal]

Have no issue with Ince being our next manager.

I have however heard a whisper that we are looking to appoint a manager from a Div 1 side at the mid to lower end of the table although I would have preferred Karl Robinson from Oxford who now look as though they are going to miss out on promotion whereas his previous club , MK Dons, who also play attractive football still have a chance.

Watch this space.

Michael Duff? Only name that leaps out given the criteria.

To be honest, I'd favour Ince because he's here, the players have responded to him and we're crying out for some continuity

Sorry, don't want to be secretive but really can't say.
The one I have heard of is not Duff although, as Zip said earlier this season, he has done well at Cheltenham on a very small budget.

[Snowball]

These are Prem interims who became permanent.

Doesn't look pretty. ppg's are after being made permanent.

0.65 Mike Phelan SACKED in January
0.67 Tony Adams SACKED after four months
0.77 Laurie Sanchez SACKED after 6 months as FT
0.81 Paul Hart Sve straight defeats as FULL, SACKED
0.90 Steve Kean Club relegated RESIGNED
0.91 Ricky Sbragia RESIGNED
1.00 Stuart Gray SACKED in October
1.09 Joe Kinnear. SICK. Club relegated
1.16 Glen Roeder SACKED three games into season
1.19 Stuart Pearce SACKED
1.24 Chris Coleman SACKED
1.38 Craig Shakespeare. Four months as FT - SACKED
1.42 Glen Roeder RESIGNED
1.52 Kenny Dalgleish RESIGNED
1.83 Roberto de Matteo SACKED
1.91 Tim Sherwood SACKED



More detail below




Glen Roeder

1.16 ppg

Stuart Gray
1.00 ppg

(6 defeats in first 8 of full season, sacked)

Chris Coleman 1.24 ppg

Finished 7th in first full season
Players sold, eventually sacked

Stuart Pearce 1.19 ppg

Started well as interim, missed Europe by a single goal.
next two seasons 15th and 14th. Sacked

Glen Roeder (Newcastle) 1.42 ppg

Took Newcastle from near-relegation to 7th, next season 13th, resigned

Ricky Sbragia (Sunderland) 0.91

Led Sunderland out of relegation zone but then only managed three wins, avoiding the drop last day. Resigned

Laurie Sanchez (Fulham) 0.77 ppg

Sacked after six months

Joe Kinnear (Newcastle) 1.09 ppg

Heart trouble, Shearer took over and they were relegated

TONY ADAMS (Pompey)

Given full-time contract after one game as interim. Sacked within four months

PAUL HART (Pompey) 0.81 ppg

Took over from Adams and got Pompey to 14th, but in next season started with seven straight defeats and was sacked

Steve Kean (Blackburn) 0.9 ppg

Took Blackburn down and resigned


Kenny Dalgleish managed 1.52 ppg at Liverpool

Roberto de Matteo managed 1.83 at Chelsea overall and reached Euro Final and FA Cup Final as interim. Made permanent was sacked in November

TIM SHERWOOD (Spurs, 1.91)

Got Spurs from 7th to 6th as interim. Was then sacked!

MIKE PHELAN (Hull) 0.65 ppg
Phelan earned a permanent role thanks to wins over Leicester and Swansea, but the season swiftly unraveled and he was sacked in January.

Craig Shakespeare – Leicester
Shakespeare provoked an immediate reaction from his Leicester players but was sacked only four months into a three-year contract earlier this month.
Points per game: 1.38

[NathStPaul]

Yawn.

[From Despair To Where?]

Have no issue with Ince being our next manager.

I have however heard a whisper that we are looking to appoint a manager from a Div 1 side at the mid to lower end of the table although I would have preferred Karl Robinson from Oxford who now look as though they are going to miss out on promotion whereas his previous club , MK Dons, who also play attractive football still have a chance.

Watch this space.

Michael Duff? Only name that leaps out given the criteria.

To be honest, I'd favour Ince because he's here, the players have responded to him and we're crying out for some continuity

Sorry, don't want to be secretive but really can't say.
The one I have heard of is not Duff although, as Zip said earlier this season, he has done well at Cheltenham on a very small budget.

Oh fcuking hell, not Michael Appleton.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Frankie McAvoy at Preston earlier this season impressed when Alex Neil was sacked last season, they struggled this season and he was eventually sacked and replaced by Ryan Lowe. Just to give a more recent Championship example.

[NathStPaul]

He didn't impress anyone and their supporters wanted him out the door from day 1. HTH.

[From Despair To Where?]

These are Prem interims who became permanent.

Doesn't look pretty. ppg's are after being made permanent.

0.65 Mike Phelan SACKED in January
0.67 Tony Adams SACKED after four months
0.77 Laurie Sanchez SACKED after 6 months as FT
0.81 Paul Hart Sve straight defeats as FULL, SACKED
0.90 Steve Kean Club relegated RESIGNED
0.91 Ricky Sbragia RESIGNED
1.00 Stuart Gray SACKED in October
1.09 Joe Kinnear. SICK. Club relegated
1.16 Glen Roeder SACKED three games into season
1.19 Stuart Pearce SACKED
1.24 Chris Coleman SACKED
1.38 Craig Shakespeare. Four months as FT - SACKED
1.42 Glen Roeder RESIGNED
1.52 Kenny Dalgleish RESIGNED
1.83 Roberto de Matteo SACKED
1.91 Tim Sherwood SACKED



More detail below




Glen Roeder

1.16 ppg

Stuart Gray
1.00 ppg

(6 defeats in first 8 of full season, sacked)

Chris Coleman 1.24 ppg

Finished 7th in first full season
Players sold, eventually sacked

Stuart Pearce 1.19 ppg

Started well as interim, missed Europe by a single goal.
next two seasons 15th and 14th. Sacked

Glen Roeder (Newcastle) 1.42 ppg

Took Newcastle from near-relegation to 7th, next season 13th, resigned

Ricky Sbragia (Sunderland) 0.91

Led Sunderland out of relegation zone but then only managed three wins, avoiding the drop last day. Resigned

Laurie Sanchez (Fulham) 0.77 ppg

Sacked after six months

Joe Kinnear (Newcastle) 1.09 ppg

Heart trouble, Shearer took over and they were relegated

TONY ADAMS (Pompey)

Given full-time contract after one game as interim. Sacked within four months

PAUL HART (Pompey) 0.81 ppg

Took over from Adams and got Pompey to 14th, but in next season started with seven straight defeats and was sacked

Steve Kean (Blackburn) 0.9 ppg

Took Blackburn down and resigned


Kenny Dalgleish managed 1.52 ppg at Liverpool

Roberto de Matteo managed 1.83 at Chelsea overall and reached Euro Final and FA Cup Final as interim. Made permanent was sacked in November

TIM SHERWOOD (Spurs, 1.91)

Got Spurs from 7th to 6th as interim. Was then sacked!

MIKE PHELAN (Hull) 0.65 ppg
Phelan earned a permanent role thanks to wins over Leicester and Swansea, but the season swiftly unraveled and he was sacked in January.

Craig Shakespeare – Leicester
Shakespeare provoked an immediate reaction from his Leicester players but was sacked only four months into a three-year contract earlier this month.
Points per game: 1.38

All that really tells us is that perennial strugglers tend to struggle regardless of who's on charge.

Let's be honest, when you look at Reading, if you look at caretakers who got the job permanently, it's basically Quinn/Gooding, Pardew, McDermott and Bowen and they all did pretty well. Was Branfoot Evans' assistant as well?

[Weymouth Royal]

Clearly the players like him and respond to him, and that's the key. He deserves a contract. The worry for whom ever is in charge next season though is the huge changes in playing staff this summer. It doesn't matter who comes in; we're in for a tough season again next season, and we've got a trigger happy numpty of an owner, so whoever comes in will be lucky to survive past December.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

These are Prem interims who became permanent.

Doesn't look pretty. ppg's are after being made permanent.

0.65 Mike Phelan SACKED in January
0.67 Tony Adams SACKED after four months
0.77 Laurie Sanchez SACKED after 6 months as FT
0.81 Paul Hart Sve straight defeats as FULL, SACKED
0.90 Steve Kean Club relegated RESIGNED
0.91 Ricky Sbragia RESIGNED
1.00 Stuart Gray SACKED in October
1.09 Joe Kinnear. SICK. Club relegated
1.16 Glen Roeder SACKED three games into season
1.19 Stuart Pearce SACKED
1.24 Chris Coleman SACKED
1.38 Craig Shakespeare. Four months as FT - SACKED
1.42 Glen Roeder RESIGNED
1.52 Kenny Dalgleish RESIGNED
1.83 Roberto de Matteo SACKED
1.91 Tim Sherwood SACKED



More detail below




Glen Roeder

1.16 ppg

Stuart Gray
1.00 ppg

(6 defeats in first 8 of full season, sacked)

Chris Coleman 1.24 ppg

Finished 7th in first full season
Players sold, eventually sacked

Stuart Pearce 1.19 ppg

Started well as interim, missed Europe by a single goal.
next two seasons 15th and 14th. Sacked

Glen Roeder (Newcastle) 1.42 ppg

Took Newcastle from near-relegation to 7th, next season 13th, resigned

Ricky Sbragia (Sunderland) 0.91

Led Sunderland out of relegation zone but then only managed three wins, avoiding the drop last day. Resigned

Laurie Sanchez (Fulham) 0.77 ppg

Sacked after six months

Joe Kinnear (Newcastle) 1.09 ppg

Heart trouble, Shearer took over and they were relegated

TONY ADAMS (Pompey)

Given full-time contract after one game as interim. Sacked within four months

PAUL HART (Pompey) 0.81 ppg

Took over from Adams and got Pompey to 14th, but in next season started with seven straight defeats and was sacked

Steve Kean (Blackburn) 0.9 ppg

Took Blackburn down and resigned


Kenny Dalgleish managed 1.52 ppg at Liverpool

Roberto de Matteo managed 1.83 at Chelsea overall and reached Euro Final and FA Cup Final as interim. Made permanent was sacked in November

TIM SHERWOOD (Spurs, 1.91)

Got Spurs from 7th to 6th as interim. Was then sacked!

MIKE PHELAN (Hull) 0.65 ppg
Phelan earned a permanent role thanks to wins over Leicester and Swansea, but the season swiftly unraveled and he was sacked in January.

Craig Shakespeare – Leicester
Shakespeare provoked an immediate reaction from his Leicester players but was sacked only four months into a three-year contract earlier this month.
Points per game: 1.38

All that really tells us is that perennial strugglers tend to struggle regardless of who's on charge.

Let's be honest, when you look at Reading, if you look at caretakers who got the job permanently, it's basically Quinn/Gooding, Pardew, McDermott and Bowen and they all did pretty well.

I think that also proves we are more the exception rather than the norm, but I suppose that's something in favour of Ince anyway.

Even still, we are not too dissimilar to those that struggle, last season being really the anomaly. We've finished in the bottom half and/or been in a relegation battle for 4 of the last 5 seasons.

[From Despair To Where?]

No, I think it proves you can't make any assumptions.

[Snowball]

I am neither for or against Ince but I do wonder if there are some clouded judgements out there
simply because we are breathing a sigh of relief and getting to 98% certainty of staying up.

Ince has had, without doubt, a better squad to utilise, than Pauno (including injuries)

PS. Most here seem to be calling Pauno a total clown, so being better than Pauno isn't much of a step up.

A quick glance at the last 11 games shows us conceding 20 goals = 84 goals per season.
Peterborough have conceded 83 with three games to go.
NOTE, this is not PAUNO's conceding but Ince extrapolated to a full season.

We have conceded 4 goals three times in 11 games.

Whereas it's true we dug out two brilliant results at Sheffield United and at home to Swansea, we could very easily have drawn 1-1 at Sheffield and lost to Swansea.

I don't say we didn't deserve the points we got, but it's fine margins. We have still not comprehensively beaten anyone but we have pretty-much capitulated at Forest and Blackpool, were "torn apart" by Swansea for much of the game. We blew the Cardiff game, lost at home to Millwall. It's hardly GREAT!

20 goals conceded in 11 games is a huge worry

Factor in, too, a return to the squad (and form) of JOAO, and the talismanic McIntyre


TACTICS

Few here dispute we have (at worst) mid-table players, and most think we should never have been struggling, even with the -6 penalty. The lack of "good tactics" has been mentioned often and that "weakness" counterbalanced by Ince's apparent ability to make the players fight harder, work harder in the last quarter.

Goals on 63, 66, 73, 78, 83, 83, 92 and 95 certainly testify to that, but the Preston win (Pauno) and Birmingham win three days later give the team six much-needed points and relieved some pressure. Add in returning players (9 goals of the 15 from JOAO-McIntyre) and it's not hard to believe many managers, including interims from within the club, might have achieved our current 1.36 ppg (including the Birmingham game). It's 1.2 without that transitional game


I am NOT saying Ince is no good, or we shouldn't rapidly sign him up, but the results are NOT stellar, IMO, our defensive record is still very much "relegation form", and we have been, are currently being, "saved" by an in-form striker and two very late goals from Mac.

[tmesis]

Ince can be that person, but as I say I'm just conscious that an interim turned permanent manager doesn't tend to have a great success rate really.

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What is that based on, other than just a feeling you have?

[NathStPaul]

Ince can be that person, but as I say I'm just conscious that an interim turned permanent manager doesn't tend to have a great success rate really.

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What is that based on, other than just a feeling you have?

It is based on his seemingly massive urge to always be right.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

No, I think it proves you can't make any assumptions.

But my argument is that interim turned permanent managers don't tend to be very successful, which the evidence shows?

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Ince can be that person, but as I say I'm just conscious that an interim turned permanent manager doesn't tend to have a great success rate really.

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What is that based on, other than just a feeling you have?

It is based on his seemingly massive urge to always be right.

There is literally evidence above which has shown why I think they are not very successful, granted it's the Premier League.

I've also used Frankie McAvoy at Preston this season as an example as well.

I've also conceded that it's not always the case, but there is evidence to suggest it is not truly successful and is the only thing I've got against Ince being appointed, nothing performance related as we are getting the necessary results.

[RoyalBlue]

Clearly the players like him and respond to him, and that's the key. He deserves a contract. The worry for whom ever is in charge next season though is the huge changes in playing staff this summer. It doesn't matter who comes in; we're in for a tough season again next season, and we've got a trigger happy numpty of an owner, so whoever comes in will be lucky to survive past December.

'Trigger Happy'? Most were moaning that he didn't pull the trigger fast enough last time around.

Perversely, this is likely to be quite a rare and decent opportunity for the incoming manager as they will pretty much have to assemble their own squad and won't be left with too much residue from previous managers who might not fit well with their plans. They also have a very good player input coming from the academy.

[tmesis]

Like others, I'm not really convinced Ince is the right man for the job despite the fact that we appear to be safe from relegation.

I think for us to make (at best) a safe mid-table position next season we would need someone like Rooney to come in as manager. He's proven that with little to no resource he can get a team of misfits performing under unprecedented and complicated circumstances, certainly ones worse than Reading have had to endure.

OK, so what we need to do is hire a novice manager with a proven ability to get a weak squad playing well. Should be simple.

Or we could just get Rooney. I'm sure after ignoring the Everton job he'd happily walk out on Derby.

[From Despair To Where?]

No, I think it proves you can't make any assumptions.

But my argument is that interim turned permanent managers don't tend to be very successful, which the evidence shows?

When you consider that overall, managers on average ony survive in the job for a sniff over a year anyway, I'm not sure you can draw any particular conclusions other than club owners tend to be trigger happy.

This whole "Disregard game x because it was really Manager Y's team" is bollocks as well. Let's disregard Pauno' first 3 games because he turned up less than a week before the start of the season and had to isolate lfor 10 days. I mean if Pauno knew he was sacked before the Preston game, who's to say the players didn't. They could have played with a new found freedom, knowing he was a goner.

[Snowflake Royal]

Ince can be that person, but as I say I'm just conscious that an interim turned permanent manager doesn't tend to have a great success rate really.

Again, where does this assertion come from?!

[YorkshireRoyal99]

No, I think it proves you can't make any assumptions.

But my argument is that interim turned permanent managers don't tend to be very successful, which the evidence shows?

When you consider that overall, managers on average ony survive in the job for a sniff over a year anyway, I'm not sure you can draw any particular conclusions other than club owners tend to be trigger happy.

Yeah I don't disagree with owners these days being trigger happy, it's just an opinion based on what has been shown above. Again, based on performance, Ince would be a decent choice, I just don't think interim-permanent managers tend to be successful, and there's some evidence to support that claim (ala Snowball's figures above).

Plenty of variables to it however, for example, it depends what you define as "successful".