Out of Contract 2022

[Nameless]

:roll:

[Brogue]

Obvs both Hec and Austin would have to come at the right price

If they were relatively cheap then yes. Certainly wouldn’t break the bank for either

You'd think a player at the end of his career and a player whose career had, allegedly, stalled probably wouldn’t be too difficult to get at reasonable wages. Especially if they're without clubs. And both have links to the club, which adds a dimension.

But this is football.

Austin has a tenuous link at best having been rejected by the club at 15 (?) for being too small. I doubt he cares much about us !
We’re constantly told we’re an unattractive club, that no out of work managers would come here, that we can’t compete on wages. Not sure how that means players on very good wages are suddenly going to join us on cut price deals.
If we could get Hector on a sub 10k wage as a replacement for Moore that looks a decent deal depending on how motivated he is.
I’m really not sure why Austin fits any criteria we might have. I really can’t believe I’m seeing people advocating signing end of career players when that is EXACTLY what has been argued against constantly ! For what Austin will have been on we could probably extend the deals of most of our OOC youngsters which would be much better value.....

Think you need to wake up and smell the coffee any half decent ooc youngster is going to be picked by those teams who can afford to pay the higher wages. And with regards to Austin’s being the end of his career, he’s 32. Christ if he were 35/36 I might agree with you.

We have had relative success with signing players over the age of 30 most recently Andy Carroll. But you can add Kermorgant and Jason roberts to the list also. I think these would be astute signings considering the position we find out selves in.

Please list a ooc striker and a CB that we could get that are better than Austin and hector that we can afford?

[Nameless]

You'd think a player at the end of his career and a player whose career had, allegedly, stalled probably wouldn’t be too difficult to get at reasonable wages. Especially if they're without clubs. And both have links to the club, which adds a dimension.

But this is football.

Austin has a tenuous link at best having been rejected by the club at 15 (?) for being too small. I doubt he cares much about us !
We’re constantly told we’re an unattractive club, that no out of work managers would come here, that we can’t compete on wages. Not sure how that means players on very good wages are suddenly going to join us on cut price deals.
If we could get Hector on a sub 10k wage as a replacement for Moore that looks a decent deal depending on how motivated he is.
I’m really not sure why Austin fits any criteria we might have. I really can’t believe I’m seeing people advocating signing end of career players when that is EXACTLY what has been argued against constantly ! For what Austin will have been on we could probably extend the deals of most of our OOC youngsters which would be much better value.....

Think you need to wake up and smell the coffee any half decent ooc youngster is going to be picked by those teams who can afford to pay the higher wages. And with regards to Austin’s being the end of his career, he’s 32. Christ if he were 35/36 I might agree with you.

We have had relative success with signing players over the age of 30 most recently Andy Carroll. But you can add Kermorgant and Jason roberts to the list also. I think these would be astute signings considering the position we find out selves in.

Please list a ooc striker and a CB that we could get that are better than Austin and hector that we can afford?

The point is that the board experts have been saying we shouldn't Be signing old, high earning players. We should be finding the young talent from lower down the leagues. Now suddenly it’s all about older players who have been earning bigger wages than we will pay. Maybe it’s the right strategy, it’s just that not long ago it was the wrong strategy !
Carroll is an absolutely awful comparison given he was essentially playing for expenses. Not sure either He tor or Austin would take the sort of money Carroll was here briefly for.
Why are you asking me to list players ? Ask the people who say that is the market we should be in (the Doyle, Senior, Dixon, Long, Kitson type ‘value’ players.

[Brogue]

Austin has a tenuous link at best having been rejected by the club at 15 (?) for being too small. I doubt he cares much about us !
We’re constantly told we’re an unattractive club, that no out of work managers would come here, that we can’t compete on wages. Not sure how that means players on very good wages are suddenly going to join us on cut price deals.
If we could get Hector on a sub 10k wage as a replacement for Moore that looks a decent deal depending on how motivated he is.
I’m really not sure why Austin fits any criteria we might have. I really can’t believe I’m seeing people advocating signing end of career players when that is EXACTLY what has been argued against constantly ! For what Austin will have been on we could probably extend the deals of most of our OOC youngsters which would be much better value.....

Think you need to wake up and smell the coffee any half decent ooc youngster is going to be picked by those teams who can afford to pay the higher wages. And with regards to Austin’s being the end of his career, he’s 32. Christ if he were 35/36 I might agree with you.

We have had relative success with signing players over the age of 30 most recently Andy Carroll. But you can add Kermorgant and Jason roberts to the list also. I think these would be astute signings considering the position we find out selves in.

Please list a ooc striker and a CB that we could get that are better than Austin and hector that we can afford?

The point is that the board experts have been saying we shouldn't Be signing old, high earning players. We should be finding the young talent from lower down the leagues. Now suddenly it’s all about older players who have been earning bigger wages than we will pay. Maybe it’s the right strategy, it’s just that not long ago it was the wrong strategy !
Carroll is an absolutely awful comparison given he was essentially playing for expenses. Not sure either He tor or Austin would take the sort of money Carroll was here briefly for.
Why are you asking me to list players ? Ask the people who say that is the market we should be in (the Doyle, Senior, Dixon, Long, Kitson type ‘value’ players.

Well that’s the market we are in. And they won’t be paid expensive wages we can’t spend more than ‘x’ amount on wages, forget what it is now? Was it 3k a week or something??

So tell me how do we get the young players from the lower leagues? If they are in contract they will command a fee. A fee as far as I’m aware we are not allowed to pay. Any out of contract young player from the lower leagues who are good enough to make the step up will be picked up by those clubs who are allowed to pay more money.

Carrol is a perfect example you are saying Austin’s career is finished and over, I was just pointing out that 32 is certainly not finished as you suggest.

Our market is the scrap heap.

You are dismissing these players out of hand but you are not providing a list of players that you would like to see come in. So I will ask again if you are against hector and Austin. Please provide the names of players that you would like to see here instead? A striker and CB that are ooc in the summer that we can afford that are better than Austin and hector.

[Hound]

Haven’t seen many people say we should or shouldn’t sign anyone particularly

Obvs the strategy of spending stupid money on players in their late 20s had to stop - ie Aluko, Mannone, Popa etc

But short term stop gaps on the right wage - Carroll (even if it was 5-10k pw), Yann, Adam, Hoilett, even O Shea types arent necessarily wrong signings. Need some experience to balance the team out

[morganb]

Released and Retained lists for other clubs are gradually being released, for example:

Peterborough https://www.theposh.com/news/posh-confirm-retained-list
Preston https://www.pnefc.net/news/2022/may/pre ... confirmed/

Not sure if there's anyone there we'd be interested in who has been released...

[Nameless]

Think you need to wake up and smell the coffee any half decent ooc youngster is going to be picked by those teams who can afford to pay the higher wages. And with regards to Austin’s being the end of his career, he’s 32. Christ if he were 35/36 I might agree with you.

We have had relative success with signing players over the age of 30 most recently Andy Carroll. But you can add Kermorgant and Jason roberts to the list also. I think these would be astute signings considering the position we find out selves in.

Please list a ooc striker and a CB that we could get that are better than Austin and hector that we can afford?

The point is that the board experts have been saying we shouldn't Be signing old, high earning players. We should be finding the young talent from lower down the leagues. Now suddenly it’s all about older players who have been earning bigger wages than we will pay. Maybe it’s the right strategy, it’s just that not long ago it was the wrong strategy !
Carroll is an absolutely awful comparison given he was essentially playing for expenses. Not sure either He tor or Austin would take the sort of money Carroll was here briefly for.
Why are you asking me to list players ? Ask the people who say that is the market we should be in (the Doyle, Senior, Dixon, Long, Kitson type ‘value’ players.

Well that’s the market we are in. And they won’t be paid expensive wages we can’t spend more than ‘x’ amount on wages, forget what it is now? Was it 3k a week or something??

So tell me how do we get the young players from the lower leagues? If they are in contract they will command a fee. A fee as far as I’m aware we are not allowed to pay. Any out of contract young player from the lower leagues who are good enough to make the step up will be picked up by those clubs who are allowed to pay more money.

Carrol is a perfect example you are saying Austin’s career is finished and over, I was just pointing out that 32 is certainly not finished as you suggest.

Our market is the scrap heap.

You are dismissing these players out of hand but you are not providing a list of players that you would like to see come in. So I will ask again if you are against hector and Austin. Please provide the names of players that you would like to see here instead? A striker and CB that are ooc in the summer that we can afford that are better than Austin and hector.

We are not barred from paying fees
We can pay way more than 3k in wages. We’ve got a £16.6 million wage budget for next season and we have to keep the average below an agreed among and IIRC rightly any deals over that average need EFL sign off
Not sure how easy it is to turn that budget into wages per player as I don’t know if just covers the 25 man first team squad or all the players, plus we obviously have a couple of players well over ‘average’. 16 million between 25 players is an average per week of just over 12k though and we’ll have plenty of players well under that currently.
I’m not dismissing anyone really, just pointing out the 180 turn from needing to avoid old, expensive players.
Our market is absolutely not the scrap heap. We just need to be a lot smarter than we have been and throwing too much money at players we have been told are the ‘wrong’ Profile is just wrong.
Why do you keep asking me for names ? It’s an irrelevant question !
I don’t think Austin would be worth the money, Hector might be but given one of us know what they would 2ant it’s impossible to answer.
I rather suspect there are plenty of players who would jump at 10k a week playing lower down the leagues, abroad or leaving Prem and Championship sides.

[Brogue]

The point is that the board experts have been saying we shouldn't Be signing old, high earning players. We should be finding the young talent from lower down the leagues. Now suddenly it’s all about older players who have been earning bigger wages than we will pay. Maybe it’s the right strategy, it’s just that not long ago it was the wrong strategy !
Carroll is an absolutely awful comparison given he was essentially playing for expenses. Not sure either He tor or Austin would take the sort of money Carroll was here briefly for.
Why are you asking me to list players ? Ask the people who say that is the market we should be in (the Doyle, Senior, Dixon, Long, Kitson type ‘value’ players.

Well that’s the market we are in. And they won’t be paid expensive wages we can’t spend more than ‘x’ amount on wages, forget what it is now? Was it 3k a week or something??

So tell me how do we get the young players from the lower leagues? If they are in contract they will command a fee. A fee as far as I’m aware we are not allowed to pay. Any out of contract young player from the lower leagues who are good enough to make the step up will be picked up by those clubs who are allowed to pay more money.

Carrol is a perfect example you are saying Austin’s career is finished and over, I was just pointing out that 32 is certainly not finished as you suggest.

Our market is the scrap heap.

You are dismissing these players out of hand but you are not providing a list of players that you would like to see come in. So I will ask again if you are against hector and Austin. Please provide the names of players that you would like to see here instead? A striker and CB that are ooc in the summer that we can afford that are better than Austin and hector.

We are not barred from paying fees
We can pay way more than 3k in wages.

Citation needed.

[Hound]

Released and Retained lists for other clubs are gradually being released, for example:

Peterborough https://www.theposh.com/news/posh-confirm-retained-list
Preston https://www.pnefc.net/news/2022/may/pre ... confirmed/

Not sure if there's anyone there we'd be interested in who has been released...

Not really. Barkhuizen at a push

[Snowflake Royal]

:roll:

Well exactly.

[Nameless]

The text of the agreement between the EFL and the club

The Club and EFL have agreed a cap on Total Player Salary Costs of not more than £21.1m in the current Season, reducing to £16m in the following Season (Championship status), with a number of other conditions, including:
3.1 the Club will be permitted to have registered at any one time no more than 25 Permitted Players;
3.2 the Club will not be permitted to pay or commit to pay any Transfer Fee, Compensation Fee or Loan Fee or any other form of payment (other than a sell on fee) in respect of the registration of any Player in excess of the level as agreed with the EFL;
3.3 the average Salary of all new Contract Players registered from the date of this Agreement until 30 June 2023 will not exceed an average of the level as agreed with the EFL;
3.4 the Salary of any new Contract Player registered from the date of this Agreement until 30 June 2023 will not exceed the level as agreed with the EFL;
3.5 any contribution to fees paid to an Intermediary by the Club on the behalf of a Player will be limited to 3% of the Player’s Basic Gross Income (as defined in the FA Regulations on Working with Intermediaries);

So effectively we can pay fees, but at a level agreed with the EFL. Of,course that level could be zero (and almost certainly was at the point the agreement was reached). But the fact that the agreement is written the way it is means that level could change according to how we are doing against the business plan, and there is no absolute ban on paying transfer or loan fees.
Likewise the other clauses could be flexible, and if we aren’t heading in the right direction we’ll be having to work to tighter and tighter restrictions. I don’t think we should think we aren’t going to have to work hard to build a new squad, and that we won’t be held to account for every penny we spend. But we aren’t under such horrendous restrictions as you suggested.

[Felt91]

Charlie Austin is going to sign this summer. You heard it here first.

What’s he said?

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Released and Retained lists for other clubs are gradually being released, for example:

Peterborough https://www.theposh.com/news/posh-confirm-retained-list
Preston https://www.pnefc.net/news/2022/may/pre ... confirmed/

Not sure if there's anyone there we'd be interested in who has been released...

Barkhuizen could be ok, Izzy Brown potentially but wouldn't be a great fan of that. Jorge Grant I'd have said yes to 12 months ago.

[Nameless]

Charlie Austin is going to sign this summer. You heard it here first.

What’s he said?

‘I’m going to sign for Reading in the summer’

[Nameless]

IN a move sure to devastate those who moan about the lack of crosses from the right it looks like Andy Yiadom may well be signing a new deal....l.
Would be a real boost for the club and hopefully the first of at least one to commit to the exciting project that is New Reading.
Mark Bowen not yet announced and already his influence can be seen.

[Stranded]

Yes, good news if he does sign - clearly happy at the club and his family are settled in the area. One I had expected to move on - there will be a couple who sign who we weren't expecting too - Ince and/or the club, have clearly targeted 6 or 7 who they want to keep and then add too where they can.

Defence needs work but having potentially the best performer at the back in place can only be a good start. We need improvements in defence but also a better shield in front of them to avoid another calamitous defensive season.

Does anyone know if Cooper worked with the squad defensively all season or was he only in for a short period?

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Yes, good news if he does sign - clearly happy at the club and his family are settled in the area. One I had expected to move on - there will be a couple who sign who we weren't expecting too - Ince and/or the club, have clearly targeted 6 or 7 who they want to keep and then add too where they can.

Defence needs work but having potentially the best performer at the back in place can only be a good start. We need improvements in defence but also a better shield in front of them to avoid another calamitous defensive season.

Does anyone know if Cooper worked with the squad defensively all season or was he only in for a short period?

Hopefully seeing Rino (if he signs) in front of the defence for most of next season may help us in that area, if not then I don't see why McIntyre can't be the one to sit in front of the defence as well. He will certainly play differently to Rino, but I don't see any reason why he couldn't develop and do a good job in there.

But really good news if Yids does decide to stay as well. Agreed - having our best performers stay on will be important for next season as well.

[Hound]

Good news on Yids

A lot to be said for staying somewhere you enjoy and not always thinking the grass will be greener elsewhere

Hoepfully a few more follow him in the next few days

[traff]

[quote="Hound"]Good news on Yids

A lot to be said for staying somewhere you enjoy and not always thinking the grass will be greener elsewhere

Or have masochistic tendencies!

[Simon's Church]

Chris Gunter is available?