Rival Watch

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Does anyone know if any of our rivals are at risk of breaching FFP this season and therefore being issued a points reduction?

Only one's I saw during the off-season were Stoke, Bristol City and Middlesbrough, but it all seemed to have gone a bit flat. Having said that, this time last year, that was the same case with ourselves, where it was in the news during the off-season, then it never came to fruition until mid November time, so something may come of it yet.

Apparently, both Bristol City and Birmingham are losing a hell of a lot of money at the moment. I think they are losing something like £412,000 and £600,000 a week respectively. Bristol City have been losing roughly that amount every week for the last 10 years or so now on day-to-day operations I believe.

[Snowflake Royal]

how nice it is to see West Brom, Stoke and Cardiff languishing in the bottom half. Hope Swift, Laurent and Rinomohta are happy with their decisions.

Yes it's early days still but I'll enjoy it while it lasts.

Watching Swift on Friday gave a good reminder of what we do/don’t miss from him. Quality cross at the end for the equaliser but for the rest of the game, did his usual thing of wandering around the pitch, dropping too deep and hence disrupting the shape of the side. He seems incapable of sticking to his position

From what’s been said, West Brom have either been very good or very flat in games so far this season and with Swift as the heartbeat of the team, it sounds about right. T Ince doesn’t quite have the individual pieces of quality that Swift does but he’s certainly a better overall fit for the team

Yep, we’re a better ‘team’ without him. Also noted how slow he looked on occasions - not just the actual ‘running’ bit, but the awareness to get back or press

And without Ejaria.

[From Despair To Where?]

Does anyone know if any of our rivals are at risk of breaching FFP this season and therefore being issued a points reduction?

Only one's I saw during the off-season were Stoke, Bristol City and Middlesbrough, but it all seemed to have gone a bit flat. Having said that, this time last year, that was the same case with ourselves, where it was in the news during the off-season, then it never came to fruition until mid November time, so something may come of it yet.

Apparently, both Bristol City and Birmingham are losing a hell of a lot of money at the moment. I think they are losing something like £412,000 and £600,000 a week respectively. Bristol City have been losing roughly that amount every week for the last 10 years or so now on day-to-day operations I believe.

They've both made about £25m in transfer profit over the last 10 years. That nowhere near makes up for that level of operating loses.

[tidus_mi2]

Does anyone know if any of our rivals are at risk of breaching FFP this season and therefore being issued a points reduction?

Only one's I saw during the off-season were Stoke, Bristol City and Middlesbrough, but it all seemed to have gone a bit flat. Having said that, this time last year, that was the same case with ourselves, where it was in the news during the off-season, then it never came to fruition until mid November time, so something may come of it yet.

Apparently, both Bristol City and Birmingham are losing a hell of a lot of money at the moment. I think they are losing something like £412,000 and £600,000 a week respectively. Bristol City have been losing roughly that amount every week for the last 10 years or so now on day-to-day operations I believe.

Birmingham breaching FFP twice in less than 5 years would be an absolute farce but then their owners are batshit.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Does anyone know if any of our rivals are at risk of breaching FFP this season and therefore being issued a points reduction?

Only one's I saw during the off-season were Stoke, Bristol City and Middlesbrough, but it all seemed to have gone a bit flat. Having said that, this time last year, that was the same case with ourselves, where it was in the news during the off-season, then it never came to fruition until mid November time, so something may come of it yet.

Apparently, both Bristol City and Birmingham are losing a hell of a lot of money at the moment. I think they are losing something like £412,000 and £600,000 a week respectively. Bristol City have been losing roughly that amount every week for the last 10 years or so now on day-to-day operations I believe.

They've both made about £25m in transfer profit over the last 10 years. That nowhere near makes up for that level of operating loses.

The owners have pumped a lot of money in during that time to help cover the losses though as well, not just transfers. I believe Bristol City's owner has put in excess of £200m in over the last decade. Even if that still doesn't cover it, that might explain why they are in the headlines about their losses and potential FFP penalties.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Does anyone know if any of our rivals are at risk of breaching FFP this season and therefore being issued a points reduction?

Only one's I saw during the off-season were Stoke, Bristol City and Middlesbrough, but it all seemed to have gone a bit flat. Having said that, this time last year, that was the same case with ourselves, where it was in the news during the off-season, then it never came to fruition until mid November time, so something may come of it yet.

Apparently, both Bristol City and Birmingham are losing a hell of a lot of money at the moment. I think they are losing something like £412,000 and £600,000 a week respectively. Bristol City have been losing roughly that amount every week for the last 10 years or so now on day-to-day operations I believe.

Birmingham breaching FFP twice in less than 5 years would be an absolute farce but then their owners are batshit.

I think the only thing that has got them out of it really is the big sales of Che Adams and Jude Bellingham. If that didn't happen, they'd be completely stuffed again.

[From Despair To Where?]

Only one's I saw during the off-season were Stoke, Bristol City and Middlesbrough, but it all seemed to have gone a bit flat. Having said that, this time last year, that was the same case with ourselves, where it was in the news during the off-season, then it never came to fruition until mid November time, so something may come of it yet.

Apparently, both Bristol City and Birmingham are losing a hell of a lot of money at the moment. I think they are losing something like £412,000 and £600,000 a week respectively. Bristol City have been losing roughly that amount every week for the last 10 years or so now on day-to-day operations I believe.

Birmingham breaching FFP twice in less than 5 years would be an absolute farce but then their owners are batshit.

I think the only thing that has got them out of it really is the big sales of Che Adams and Jude Bellingham. If that didn't happen, they'd be completely stuffed again.

They sold Adams for £15m but spent £10m of that on Sunjic, Giminez and Crowley. They've spent £7m of the £22m for Bellingham on Hogan, Cosgrove, Etheridge and Leko so the balance is significantly less.

The Adams sale goes off the FFP calculations this season so I'd expect the shit to hit the fan this year.

Bristol City made a transfer profit of about £13m in 19/20 but that goes off the FFP books. They've mame a modest profit of about £1.5m over the past 2 seasons. Again, if operating losses of £400k a week are accurate, I'd imagine they'll be in trouble.

I'd imagine the thing saving them both is the aggregation of losses over 2 seasons due to Covid as the big sales came in 19/20.

[Hound]

Cardiff into the bottom 3. At least Rino will feel at home there

[Snowflake Royal]

Cardiff into the bottom 3. At least Rino will feel at home there

Why the spite towards him?

There seems a significant portion of people on here that seem to be practically drooling over the prospect of him, Laurent and Swift failing, despite them being important players in our continued presence in the division, Rino being one of our own and them always putting the work in.

It's pathetic.

[Stranded]

Cardiff into the bottom 3. At least Rino will feel at home there

Why the spite towards him?

There seems a significant portion of people on here that seem to be practically drooling over the prospect of him, Laurent and Swift failing, despite them being important players in our continued presence in the division, Rino being one of our own and them always putting the work in.

It's pathetic.

It's just schadenfreunde isn't it, always happens in football.

I have absolutely no feeling towards those who have left and think we are actually better off this season as a result but get why people are finding it amusing that we are above all of their clubs. It's pantomime stuff really. Long way to go, all 3 could still finish above us.

On another note, Cardiff manager must be under a bit of pressure. No way the owners there sanctioned the massive recruitment drive to be sat in 22nd and have 1 win in 7 following their opening day win over Norwich.

[From Despair To Where?]

Cardiff into the bottom 3. At least Rino will feel at home there

Why the spite towards him?

There seems a significant portion of people on here that seem to be practically drooling over the prospect of him, Laurent and Swift failing, despite them being important players in our continued presence in the division, Rino being one of our own and them always putting the work in.

It's pathetic.

I think there's an element of them being heralded as our three mainstays in a midfield, that spent most of the past 5 years fighting against relegation. Its ironic that they've all left to further their careers and their teams are struggling whilst we are performing above expectation without them.

I appreciate that's a very simplistic view.

[NewCorkSeth]

Cardiff into the bottom 3. At least Rino will feel at home there

Why the spite towards him?

There seems a significant portion of people on here that seem to be practically drooling over the prospect of him, Laurent and Swift failing, despite them being important players in our continued presence in the division, Rino being one of our own and them always putting the work in.

It's pathetic.

It's worse on twitter. They tag Laurent constantly. He seemed fine with it after the Stoke game.

Honestly? I want them to succeed so my perhaps over rating of them is justified.

[Zip]

Cardiff into the bottom 3. At least Rino will feel at home there

Why the spite towards him?

There seems a significant portion of people on here that seem to be practically drooling over the prospect of him, Laurent and Swift failing, despite them being important players in our continued presence in the division, Rino being one of our own and them always putting the work in.

It's pathetic.

It's just schadenfreunde isn't it, always happens in football.

I have absolutely no feeling towards those who have left and think we are actually better off this season as a result but get why people are finding it amusing that we are above all of their clubs. It's pantomime stuff really. Long way to go, all 3 could still finish above us.

On another note, Cardiff manager must be under a bit of pressure. No way the owners there sanctioned the massive recruitment drive to be sat in 22nd and have 1 win in 7 following their opening day win over Norwich.

In fairness to Morison Cardiff seemed to operate much like ourselves in the free transfer market. They haven't spent much

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Cardiff into the bottom 3. At least Rino will feel at home there

Why the spite towards him?

There seems a significant portion of people on here that seem to be practically drooling over the prospect of him, Laurent and Swift failing, despite them being important players in our continued presence in the division, Rino being one of our own and them always putting the work in.

It's pathetic.

I have no feeling towards any of the players that left personally speaking, was disappointed about Swift as he's been one of my favourite players in the last decade but I think the thing that supporters will play on is that many people thought we'd stuffed by losing out starting trio of midfield, yet at the moment our midfield looks significantly stronger and the team is benefitting as a result. Plenty of time for that to change of course.

I quite like how you've twisted it to say "continued presence in the division" rather than a persistently weak midfield that largely underperformed with good spells or great moments mixed in.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Birmingham breaching FFP twice in less than 5 years would be an absolute farce but then their owners are batshit.

I think the only thing that has got them out of it really is the big sales of Che Adams and Jude Bellingham. If that didn't happen, they'd be completely stuffed again.

They sold Adams for £15m but spent £10m of that on Sunjic, Giminez and Crowley. They've spent £7m of the £22m for Bellingham on Hogan, Cosgrove, Etheridge and Leko so the balance is significantly less.

The Adams sale goes off the FFP calculations this season so I'd expect the shit to hit the fan this year.

Bristol City made a transfer profit of about £13m in 19/20 but that goes off the FFP books. They've mame a modest profit of about £1.5m over the past 2 seasons. Again, if operating losses of £400k a week are accurate, I'd imagine they'll be in trouble.

I'd imagine the thing saving them both is the aggregation of losses over 2 seasons due to Covid as the big sales came in 19/20.

Yeah I think the big sales have bailed them out over the last couple of seasons but the problems are beginning to be highlighted now. Bristol City's CEO himself said the landscape of the transfer market changed during Covid, meaning that they weren't making one or two big sales a season/summer that would help them comply with FFP.

If they manage to sell someone like Semenyo for the £10m~ that was quoted in the summer, with both Celtic and Bournemouth being interested, that might see them tip into the green again, if you like. Still doesn't change the fact that reported operating losses of £400,000 a week for the last decade is hardly "sustainable".

[Stranded]

Why the spite towards him?

There seems a significant portion of people on here that seem to be practically drooling over the prospect of him, Laurent and Swift failing, despite them being important players in our continued presence in the division, Rino being one of our own and them always putting the work in.

It's pathetic.

It's just schadenfreunde isn't it, always happens in football.

I have absolutely no feeling towards those who have left and think we are actually better off this season as a result but get why people are finding it amusing that we are above all of their clubs. It's pantomime stuff really. Long way to go, all 3 could still finish above us.

On another note, Cardiff manager must be under a bit of pressure. No way the owners there sanctioned the massive recruitment drive to be sat in 22nd and have 1 win in 7 following their opening day win over Norwich.

In fairness to Morison Cardiff seemed to operate much like ourselves in the free transfer market. They haven't spent much

True - they signed a lot of them early though, so would think they are paying more than decent wages though. Imagine if they are still struggling by the WC break, he could be in trouble.

[Hound]

Cardiff into the bottom 3. At least Rino will feel at home there

Why the spite towards him?

There seems a significant portion of people on here that seem to be practically drooling over the prospect of him, Laurent and Swift failing, despite them being important players in our continued presence in the division, Rino being one of our own and them always putting the work in.

It's pathetic.

Of course it’s pathetic but so are most things to do with football if you break them down enough

It’s a bit of fun. Really I couldn’t give a monkeys more than just a slight smug smile at the thought of them going down or finishing below us

Kind of group Rino with Richards - one of our own in that he joined at 17/18. Not like a TMc style local lad who grew up with us.

[John Smith]

Cardiff into the bottom 3. At least Rino will feel at home there

Why the spite towards him?

There seems a significant portion of people on here that seem to be practically drooling over the prospect of him, Laurent and Swift failing, despite them being important players in our continued presence in the division, Rino being one of our own and them always putting the work in.

It's pathetic.

I remember when I first started watching football

[Hound]

And actually thinking a little bit more about it, it’s probably more due to the fan reactions of losing those 3 players than the players themselves

[URZZZZ]

And actually thinking a little bit more about it, it’s probably more due to the fan reactions of losing those 3 players than the players themselves

And I’m sure if it was the other way around, I.e those three clubs top end of the table and us in the bottom three, people would be going on and on about those players. Same thing with swapping Southwood for Lumley